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The thing with top loaders that I have found is that one needs more detergent since the washer uses much more water for the wash solution than a front loader where there is less water and the detergent is much more concentrated to get the job done. I have had an SQ AWN311 top loader and will concur when I change the belt out that the outer tub is sporting rust at the weld joints now. I do not have this washer anymore since I gave it to friend of ours and he loves it. But this belt changing every 2 to 3 years is a tad much. I had a Maytag washer where the belts seemed to last forever…a real Maytag not these gawd awful Whirlpool built ones.
The Whirlpool 4516 washer I had when we moved here to FL I would not wish on anyone. I used the SuperWash cycle every time since it would fill the tub with water to the top and it was the most intense cycle to get clothes somewhat clean. I also had to use much more detergent and I had to get Calgon in use for every load since our water here is a tad hard.
SQ front loaders are not worth the $2k they command. Small wash drum, no water heater, they can keep it. I have an LG front loader that I love. It has the TurboWash system that I use every time. Nothing worse than hearing detergent land into the sump of the washer and not get into solution and then hear the detergent get dumped down the drain. There is a reason why LG is always rated well. Performance, capacity,reliability,heats water when needed and well made.
One thing I will have to add is that what one person experiences can be different from another and it does not invalidate their opinion. If one thinks something is a fact might not be a fact to someone else.
 
Consumer Reports on front load vs. top load performance

Agiflow, it's not the 40s - or the 80s - anymore. For a long time CR did find front loaders performed worse, because, in the context of the US market at the time, they did. Except for a few niche European imports, the front loaders available in the US (actually just one model for many years) were relatively primitive, and struggled to compete with top loaders, let alone the most up to date front loader tech.

Between the 1960s and 1990s, Europe made a lot of performance improvements to front loaders that just didn't cross the ocean. But now that those innovations have made their way across to this side of the pond, front loaders are the clear better performers in every objective test, including CR.

Just the opinions on this website should be enough to convince you... most people on here like collecting vintage toploaders. If *anyone* had the incentive to say front loaders clean worse, it would be them. But, pretty much everyone here who has given both machines a fair shake have to(sometimes reluctantly) admit that modern front loaders clean better than the vintage machines they love so much.

Of course that doesn't mean you can't get clean clothes with old school loaders. Nobody is claiming that. It's not like Americans were walking around with dirty clothes when top loaders dominated. With the right combination of soaking and chemicals, a classic American top loader can get pretty much any type of stain out. But it can't remove nearly as many *different types* stains with the single press of a button, and it can't do it with nearly as little water, chemicals, and clothing damage as a front loader can.
 
I bought my first front loader back in early June of 2019 after my dad passed. Had a Whirlpool WFW6620HW and looking back I wish I would have kept that machine.

For me what I liked about it was that it could wash large bulky things such as comforters.

At that time I also had a Speed Queen awn 432 that I had bought in March of 2013.

I used the front loader for about a year and passed it on to a collector before I moved house.

In that time though I used both machines and I didn't find one to be overwhelmingly better than the other.

If I do another front loader it will be the Whirlpool I think it's this WFW5720 ? I hope they still have a recirculation pump on that machine. I like the newer look with the dial again.

The thing is though I don't like that we are being basically pushed off top loaders. Sorry but man can't stop what's happening to this earth and we should just give thanks to the Lord for what we do have and enjoy it.

I don't want to stir anything up because I'll only get myself in trouble on this website if I speak my mind. I didn't come here for politics or agendas.

We all found a place here because we all had this "weird" thing about us because we like washing machines

It's all good though. Now after all these years I finally have something to contribute with some of my videos and acquisitions.

As long as there is choice and there should be. I want to be able to use what I want to be able to use as any of us should be able to. Whether top or front loader.
 
nmassman44

I love my Kenmore Elite by LG and the LG tromm. Both have water recirculation that mixes the detergent into solution as well. I could put pods on top of the laundry or underneath and it still tumbles through. It's practically impossible to get the machine to leave a detergent stain because of this.
 
Top load versus front load washers

Hi Patrick, can you reply 34 you said you can’t really tell the difference between the top load performance and the front load performance overall.

Top load washer still far out cell front load washers in the United States we have the freedom and the choice to buy what you want I don’t see where there’s an issue

But for people like us that presumably know a great deal about washing machines it seems the choice is very clear that the front loaders work a lot better.

If that’s not enough to convince you just consider the fact that front loading washers use half the water, half the electricity , half the hot water and half the Detergent, why would anyone in their right mind want to use a machine that wastes so much energy money, etc.

If for no other reason, look at what just happened in Kentucky with the tornadoes, global warming and climate change is real the choice of washing machines and many other things are gonna make a difference if we have any chance of surviving at all.

John L
 
combo52

Another thing, is that I could put a pod on top of the clothes or prior to loading them in, and they still come out clean. The reason is because the pod still gets tumbled through, especially in my LG and LG-built Kenmore Elite that both feature water recirculation.
 
Forcing top load washers to conform to unrealistic energy regulations very much interferes with consumer choice. Top load performance has nose dived due to energy regulations, in turn elevating the status of marginal front load washer sold in the US and Canada.

 

Why do I say marginal? Because the key to excellence in front load performance is having a heater that gradually heats the water to a predetermined level based on the fabric being washed and the right detergents going along with that. 

 

 

Washing machines along with other consumer changes will make zero difference in combating climate change. The only way to stop climate change is with the mass deployment of nuclear generation which doesn't precipitate black outs, doesn't take up real-estate, doesn't pollute, doesn't use up natural resources, doesn't depreciate output sharpy with age, doesn't emit CO2, doesn't use fossil fuel, and is actually available most of the time. 

 

 

I'd love to see the comeback of the direct drive catalyst with dual action agitator. Catalyst concentrated detergent pre-treating stains the way no other washer ever could. The same re-circulation in catalyst can be used for resource saver spray rinsing further maximizing performance with fewer energy costs. 

 

   
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Pat, don't be afraid to speak your mind about washers. Your lived experiences do indeed matter. There is a select group on here who thinks modern HE is the only way to go and will resort to personal attacks and character assassination when proven otherwise. Ultimately they just want to get a rise out in hopes of you saying something which can be latter taken out of context in hopes of disproving your credibility while simultaneously wearing you down psychologically. Don't fall for it. Speak what you lived and those who are honest, unbiased individuals will both see and appreciate it.  
 
Reply # 39, 37

Thanks Chet. I personally don't believe that water consumption has anything to do with the danger of the planet at all.

In the grand scheme of things it is extremely minut. What's happening to the earth now was foretold.

Anybody who has seen my videos knows I give glory to God. I won't ever apologize for my faith because I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus.

I'm not here to preach, I just want to see restrictive regulations taken off things like water consumption for appliances and this deliberate effort to ban gas appliances, particularly stoves in new developments.

I know I'm not the only one here who believes this and there's many who feel the same.

John I have much respect for you and the knowledge you have with over 50 years in the appliance repair business.

Your business partner Jason was the first to welcome me to this website all the way back in 2003. I never forgot that.

If I needed advice and I probably will on my older Whirlpool made machines I would come to you first with it.

We can agree to disagree on some things.
 
In some places water comes from lakes and reservoirs with ample rain fall. In places where it doesn't, water desalination via nuclear generated electricity should take over. 

 

 

The real driver behind these energy regs is infrastructure, or lack there of. It is easier for the consumer to foot the bill instead of upgrading and building pipes, treatment plants, pump stations, generating plants, power lines, ect which are in dire need of upgrade and expansion regardless.

 

 

Restrictive regulations are un-Constitutional and go against the very principles which made the United States the richest and most powerful nation on earth. People have long forgotten that freedom, not regulation are what bring universal prosperity. Unlike so many  failed experiments in history, this one has money, technology, human rights advancements, reductions in human suffering, increased standards of living and profound enlightenment vindicating its success. Where it is all going wrong is people forgetting the very Constitutional and Human Rights which gave rise this success, replacing them with dictatorial ideals that have long been proven a complete failure at every point in human history by every conceivable measure.  

 
 
Yes, unrestricted pollution is freedom. It's disgusting that you can no longer see the pollution in the air. The river that used to flow brown, and now I have to look at the bottom. Cars no longer put out enough exhaust gas. How disgusting.

Now we will all get cancer from windmills.

/s
 
Doing laundry is a significant contributor to climate change

Reply 39, you always just amaze everybody Chet with your BS you expect anybody to believe that using energy doesn’t contribute to climate change, lol

Jerome and Pat once you bring God into a discussion, you have lost the argument. There is no such thing as God and nearly everybody knows that I might as well tell you what the great pumpkin thinks of something it means just as much as bringing the word God into an argument, lol

John L
 
John, given that humans have been able to successfully manipulate the cross breading of plants and animals, alter DNA within a lab to produce desired offspring, produce robots that can do a variety of tasks both human and none human and have created artificial intelligence in such a short span of time relative to the age of the universe makes the possibility of humans having been the first ones to accomplish these things next to zero. Probability says life on earth was not accidental.

 

 

 

I stand behind what I said. With nuclear power energy use does not contribute to climate change.  

 
 
reply #49

I wish we could discuss it here. Love to know what you think was foretold in the bible that applies to he earth today.

Most the people who try to convince/convert me, also voted for a felon and adjudicated sex abuser. Very odd...hope you aren't one of those.
 
Consumer Reports

CR rated the horrid Kenmore Calypso washers at the top until the bitter end. Then Sears disappeared the thing like it never existed. CR also rates one machine against another, when they are essentially the same machine. I don't think they know what they are talking about.
 

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