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Plastic vs metal outer tub and suspension...

I apologize, but I got confused as I read through this discussion.

The washing machines with plastic outer tubs I have seen tend to be the vmw with hung suspension. The washing machines I have seen or heard about with metal outer tubs had a better suspension system.

With that said, I haven't had much issue with the older Maytag mvwp575gw--a vmw with the plastic outer tub. The newer model of this even has the water level control.

If I am washing something odd like a pet bed, I balance it with a towel or something. Other option may be to take those special items to a laundry mat.

Now I am kind of getting meh the Speed Queen TC and especially TR really aren't any better because of rusting tubs now? Yet these are one of the few models I know of today that have a transmission and not a gear case. If so, that's a lot more important to me. If these tubs don't rust out until they are over ten years old anyway, they have probably still exceeded the life I'd get out of a vmw with a plastic tub and gear case.

I remember having to defend that Maytag??? In some areas the Speed Queen just isn't available and/or overpriced even above retail. Then people felt they had no good choices when there was at least this one--the Maytag mvwp575 easily found at big box stores and local appliance shops! BTW, it still works at almost 7 years old with having only replaced the agitator dogs. In my area there is enough of a price difference especially given the Speed Queen dryer's higher price is not justified to still recommend the Maytag set as a good, less expensive alternative. It won't last as long, but I didn't pay as much either. While not great for our landfills, I didn't have any say in these new eco rules or the mindset that profit was in selling more which results in wasting more (cheaper build quality and made not to repair). While these are not true commercial washers, they do seem to be a bit better built for residential use, fill with water, and offer great agitation. The issues I've seen seem to suggest overuse of bleach and overloading--what one might see in a hair salon or dog grooming business. Better yet, I still occasionally see a Whirpool vmm set budget with dual-action agitator. Some say it is the same without the 5 year warranty, but it does seem the Maytag has upgraded some parts.

Since I didn't know Maytag was going to revise their model, I ended up deciding I'd go with a Speed Queen set next time. So when my dryer broke, I bought the DC5 dryer because I wanted a matching set when I replaced the washer. Well now. I still have an unmatched set because that Maytag washer will not die LOL. Trust me. It's seen the typical family use only without misuse--I am careful not to overload and check pockets. Sometimes, I do have the TC5 hooked up and run both when I don't need the space for other things.
 
 
<blockquote>Now I am kind of getting meh the Speed Queen TC and especially TR really aren't any better because of rusting tubs now? Yet these are one of the few models I know of today that have a transmission and not a gear case.</blockquote> What is the difference you perceive between a transmission and a gear case?
 
Automatic washers with plastic outer tubs

Reply number 20, probably the most produced automatic washer in the history of the world was the whirlpool direct drive washer where every single one of them had a plastic outer tub and a base mounted suspension system. Over 100 million produced.

Probably the second most produced automatic washer in history was the whirlpool belt drive machines for 39 years. They had a suspended suspension system, but metal outer tubs, rust in the outer tubs was one of the major things that brought those machines down like all machines with metal outer tubs, it’s one of the major limiting factors of how long they can ultimately last.

John L
 
Excuse me Jerome, but John (Combo52) has repeatedly stated front loaders have far superior cleaning results than top loaders. And I whole heartedly agree. I have had nothing but front loaders since 2006 and I don't want another top loader in my laundry room ever again. It's no secret I hate top loaders. The last one I loved was our 1970 Kenmore 800. And I get far fupeiror cleaning ressults from my LG washer. It's on par with my 2011 Whirlpool Duet. And my water abd sewer bills reflect the savings too.
 
Reply #24

Bob with all due respect, then how come CU since the 1940s on up until relatively recently scored top loaders as better in cleaning ?

I get how thorough a front loader is, but superior ? I don't think so.

I've owned both and used both and never found the front loader to be superior in stain removal over the Speed Queen AWN432 I had several years back.

Now with the rollback on energy restrictions we should be able to get some decent top loaders but that probably won't happen. What a world that would be if we all had to use one type of machine..yuk. What ever happened to DIVERSITY ?
 
I second with Bob

My house isn't going back to another top loader either. In fact I once lived at a place where I had a Whirlpool Duet and two SQ AWN412SP111TW01 side by side. Every single time switching back and forth, the Whirlpool always did a better job even on stains that's a fact. Still to this day, I've yet to find a better washer than that Duet other than my LG.
 
front loaders

I like the front loaders with water recirculation. LG comes to mind. I did find that clothes felt cleaner and softer and smelled fresher than even my GE did. I like how the matching LG dryer doesn't scortch clothes. My dad's Kenmore Elite also made by LG also do a great job. The clothes are always saturated in the washer, while the dryer dries them perfectly.
At first, I was suspicious about the lower temperature on the normal cycle, but that has been overcome by higher airflow. I've had front loaders since 2007. My family doesn't want to go back to a top loader. If anything, I'll need to buy more clothes because they have holes or have shrunk due to the top loaders and their matching dryers. Everytime I receive clothes or jeans that say gentle or low tumble, dry, I just stick with normal cycle on everything. Only difference is temp due to color. The normal cycle provides a nice balance in the front loaders.
 
The thing with top loaders that I have found is that one needs more detergent since the washer uses much more water for the wash solution than a front loader where there is less water and the detergent is much more concentrated to get the job done. I have had an SQ AWN311 top loader and will concur when I change the belt out that the outer tub is sporting rust at the weld joints now. I do not have this washer anymore since I gave it to friend of ours and he loves it. But this belt changing every 2 to 3 years is a tad much. I had a Maytag washer where the belts seemed to last forever…a real Maytag not these gawd awful Whirlpool built ones.
The Whirlpool 4516 washer I had when we moved here to FL I would not wish on anyone. I used the SuperWash cycle every time since it would fill the tub with water to the top and it was the most intense cycle to get clothes somewhat clean. I also had to use much more detergent and I had to get Calgon in use for every load since our water here is a tad hard.
SQ front loaders are not worth the $2k they command. Small wash drum, no water heater, they can keep it. I have an LG front loader that I love. It has the TurboWash system that I use every time. Nothing worse than hearing detergent land into the sump of the washer and not get into solution and then hear the detergent get dumped down the drain. There is a reason why LG is always rated well. Performance, capacity,reliability,heats water when needed and well made.
One thing I will have to add is that what one person experiences can be different from another and it does not invalidate their opinion. If one thinks something is a fact might not be a fact to someone else.
 
Consumer Reports on front load vs. top load performance

Agiflow, it's not the 40s - or the 80s - anymore. For a long time CR did find front loaders performed worse, because, in the context of the US market at the time, they did. Except for a few niche European imports, the front loaders available in the US (actually just one model for many years) were relatively primitive, and struggled to compete with top loaders, let alone the most up to date front loader tech.

Between the 1960s and 1990s, Europe made a lot of performance improvements to front loaders that just didn't cross the ocean. But now that those innovations have made their way across to this side of the pond, front loaders are the clear better performers in every objective test, including CR.

Just the opinions on this website should be enough to convince you... most people on here like collecting vintage toploaders. If *anyone* had the incentive to say front loaders clean worse, it would be them. But, pretty much everyone here who has given both machines a fair shake have to(sometimes reluctantly) admit that modern front loaders clean better than the vintage machines they love so much.

Of course that doesn't mean you can't get clean clothes with old school loaders. Nobody is claiming that. It's not like Americans were walking around with dirty clothes when top loaders dominated. With the right combination of soaking and chemicals, a classic American top loader can get pretty much any type of stain out. But it can't remove nearly as many *different types* stains with the single press of a button, and it can't do it with nearly as little water, chemicals, and clothing damage as a front loader can.
 
I bought my first front loader back in early June of 2019 after my dad passed. Had a Whirlpool WFW6620HW and looking back I wish I would have kept that machine.

For me what I liked about it was that it could wash large bulky things such as comforters.

At that time I also had a Speed Queen awn 432 that I had bought in March of 2013.

I used the front loader for about a year and passed it on to a collector before I moved house.

In that time though I used both machines and I didn't find one to be overwhelmingly better than the other.

If I do another front loader it will be the Whirlpool I think it's this WFW5720 ? I hope they still have a recirculation pump on that machine. I like the newer look with the dial again.

The thing is though I don't like that we are being basically pushed off top loaders. Sorry but man can't stop what's happening to this earth and we should just give thanks to the Lord for what we do have and enjoy it.

I don't want to stir anything up because I'll only get myself in trouble on this website if I speak my mind. I didn't come here for politics or agendas.

We all found a place here because we all had this "weird" thing about us because we like washing machines

It's all good though. Now after all these years I finally have something to contribute with some of my videos and acquisitions.

As long as there is choice and there should be. I want to be able to use what I want to be able to use as any of us should be able to. Whether top or front loader.
 
Top load versus front load washers

Hi Patrick, can you reply 34 you said you can’t really tell the difference between the top load performance and the front load performance overall.

Top load washer still far out cell front load washers in the United States we have the freedom and the choice to buy what you want I don’t see where there’s an issue

But for people like us that presumably know a great deal about washing machines it seems the choice is very clear that the front loaders work a lot better.

If that’s not enough to convince you just consider the fact that front loading washers use half the water, half the electricity , half the hot water and half the Detergent, why would anyone in their right mind want to use a machine that wastes so much energy money, etc.

If for no other reason, look at what just happened in Kentucky with the tornadoes, global warming and climate change is real the choice of washing machines and many other things are gonna make a difference if we have any chance of surviving at all.

John L
 

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