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KitchenAid Dishwasher made by Whirlpool. Don't know model. It seemed to be in fairly good condition.
Habitat ReStore Find 12/21/10 -- What do you all think?
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Buttons
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Cycle Knob
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This model has the reversing motor. I stuck a screwdriver back in the motor. It's not locked up. It turns both ways.
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Another view of selector buttons.
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Inner door. Something I noticed different from the older Hobart machines. Only one detergent cup with a door.?
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Lower rack and silverware basket.
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Lower rack again. Not much rust.
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Basket in nice shape. Only one chip in porcelain.
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Bottom of tub. Sump area.
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Here's where it starts to not look so pretty.
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Other side.
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Tub. Upper rack pulled out.
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Wash arm is in really good shape.
KA KD-23 DW
Thats one of the good ones with no filter to clean ever, it also has a 25 year parts and labor warranty on rust through of the tank and door liner. If it fails at this point they give you a new current KA DW, as they no longer have any tanks left.
Thats one of the good ones with no filter to clean ever, it also has a 25 year parts and labor warranty on rust through of the tank and door liner. If it fails at this point they give you a new current KA DW, as they no longer have any tanks left.
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Small food particle strainer is in perfect condition. Seems to be a larger space devoted to water straining than in my sister's Kenmore from 1996. I thought I'd offer it to her for a Christmas present after I restore it. I've never had one of these beasties apart before. Kinda lookin' forward to it. The wash arm support is as smooth as can be and there's no play between the arm and the support.
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See how nice.
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Underneath.
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The back side of the kick plate. I guess a person could do this to some of the older models for sound insulation.
Well, that's it guys. What do you think? What am I likely to run into inside of that pump? I can see I'm gonna run into torx screws. Or are those star screws. Is there a difference.
I've got it so I'm gonna have to do something with it.
Thanks for looking.[this post was last edited: 12/22/2010-10:00]
Well, that's it guys. What do you think? What am I likely to run into inside of that pump? I can see I'm gonna run into torx screws. Or are those star screws. Is there a difference.
I've got it so I'm gonna have to do something with it.
Thanks for looking.[this post was last edited: 12/22/2010-10:00]
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Slinger
Is there a slinger below the motor shaft seal, like on the older models?
Oh, forgot to mention. The forced air fan seems to be turning well.
Is there a slinger below the motor shaft seal, like on the older models?
Oh, forgot to mention. The forced air fan seems to be turning well.
KD-23 MOTOR AND PUMP
There is an impeller and seal rebuild kit for this pump, it is the same as the WP power-clean pumps use. Unless you are into doing extra { quite possibly unnecessary work I would just see if thier are any problems with the pump ] as these were pretty trouble free and not as easy to disassemble and reassemble as the older Hobart pumps.
There is an impeller and seal rebuild kit for this pump, it is the same as the WP power-clean pumps use. Unless you are into doing extra { quite possibly unnecessary work I would just see if thier are any problems with the pump ] as these were pretty trouble free and not as easy to disassemble and reassemble as the older Hobart pumps.
I've always wondered, what is the purpose of having selection buttons for pots/pans, normal, light and then having the same thing on the selector dial? I've seen this on several makes/models. The buttons seem redundant. What happens if the pots/pans button is selected but light is chosen on the dial?
Gary
Gary
Our KDC-17a only had one door for the double-door detergent compartment.
Also, iirc, that metal strip on the upper rack is always the first piece of metal on a KA to go.
Also, iirc, that metal strip on the upper rack is always the first piece of metal on a KA to go.
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Cycle/Dial
I think it just bypasses those cycles and starts where you set it. It's the little extra things it does that the buttons determine. I don't know, but if you press "Light/China" I'm guessing that it doesn't do any thing until you get to the "Light/China" mark on the dial. Since lightly soiled dishes don't need extra washes with heated soaks it would seem stupid for it to come on before then. I have a Kenmore Ultra Wash II machine that has a "Water Miser" cycle on it, but when the "Water Miser" button is pressed and the door is closed and the dial advanced, the machine will come on when you get to the "Normal Wash" section on the dial. Go figure.
I think it just bypasses those cycles and starts where you set it. It's the little extra things it does that the buttons determine. I don't know, but if you press "Light/China" I'm guessing that it doesn't do any thing until you get to the "Light/China" mark on the dial. Since lightly soiled dishes don't need extra washes with heated soaks it would seem stupid for it to come on before then. I have a Kenmore Ultra Wash II machine that has a "Water Miser" cycle on it, but when the "Water Miser" button is pressed and the door is closed and the dial advanced, the machine will come on when you get to the "Normal Wash" section on the dial. Go figure.
cycle Dial/button Redundancy
Gary, I can only conjecture that the Pots/Pans cycle may do some of the auto water heating differently than the other two cycles--maybe have it slow down the timer for water heating earlier in the wash phase vs. the other two. John L might have detailed inside knowledge. I'd be kind of disappointed if there really wasn't any difference between the 3 except for simply allowing the start-up of the machine at different point on the dial.
Gary, I can only conjecture that the Pots/Pans cycle may do some of the auto water heating differently than the other two cycles--maybe have it slow down the timer for water heating earlier in the wash phase vs. the other two. John L might have detailed inside knowledge. I'd be kind of disappointed if there really wasn't any difference between the 3 except for simply allowing the start-up of the machine at different point on the dial.
Timer Knob vs. Buttons
Based on 18 years of using my KDI-21 with the same buttons and timer knob arrangement, I'm afraid Bob will be disappointed to learn that Brian's theory is, in my experience, correct.
If any button other than "Pots/Pans" is depressed after the door has been latched, the machine will not start until the timer advances to the corresponding point on the dial. The knob can be manually advanced if the user prefers not to wait.
I presume this was meant to afford the user a Superba-like experience of starting the machine with the touch of a button and never having to fool with the timer knob if they didn't want to, but since it's not a rapid advance timer the knob was provided to give the user the option to advance it manually. Kind of cheesy, I agree.
It appears this system carried over into the 23 series. My Thermador's buttons and timer knob work the same way.
Based on 18 years of using my KDI-21 with the same buttons and timer knob arrangement, I'm afraid Bob will be disappointed to learn that Brian's theory is, in my experience, correct.
If any button other than "Pots/Pans" is depressed after the door has been latched, the machine will not start until the timer advances to the corresponding point on the dial. The knob can be manually advanced if the user prefers not to wait.
I presume this was meant to afford the user a Superba-like experience of starting the machine with the touch of a button and never having to fool with the timer knob if they didn't want to, but since it's not a rapid advance timer the knob was provided to give the user the option to advance it manually. Kind of cheesy, I agree.
It appears this system carried over into the 23 series. My Thermador's buttons and timer knob work the same way.
Think of it as delay start
Our KUDI-22 was the same. You could either advance the knob to the cycle you wanted, latch the door, and press the button to immediately start the cycle, or just press the button, and the timer would advance using the standard motor until it (eventually) reached that cycle position, and the machine would then start.
Think of it as a rapid-advance, minus the rapid part.
Our KUDI-22 was the same. You could either advance the knob to the cycle you wanted, latch the door, and press the button to immediately start the cycle, or just press the button, and the timer would advance using the standard motor until it (eventually) reached that cycle position, and the machine would then start.
Think of it as a rapid-advance, minus the rapid part.
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Machine Operation
Ralph or Anyone else who wants to chime in,
I don't have any manual for this machine. Can someone tell me how it operates. Like washes, rinses, heating times, pauses, etc.
Which cups do I fill for which cycle. Does it pause and heat while it runs.
Combo52 says rebuilding the pump isn't as easy on these as the older Hobart machines. What's it like? I hope I don't have to but if I do, what am I in for? Thanks.
Brian
Ralph or Anyone else who wants to chime in,
I don't have any manual for this machine. Can someone tell me how it operates. Like washes, rinses, heating times, pauses, etc.
Which cups do I fill for which cycle. Does it pause and heat while it runs.
Combo52 says rebuilding the pump isn't as easy on these as the older Hobart machines. What's it like? I hope I don't have to but if I do, what am I in for? Thanks.
Brian
Operation
It looks like Nate has validated my statements above, and I was tempted to call it a hokey delayed start feature but you don't ever get to delay Pots/Pans. The delay is shortest for Normal, longer for Light, and even longer for Rinse/Hold. This is one of the things that aggravates me about my Thermador's sequencing on partial cycles. The water is no longer hot if I wait for the timer to advance on its own before the first fill.
I don't know if the 23 series shares the same cycling with the 21 series. If it does, I have a PDF of the 21's instructions (thanks Bob!) complete with a matrix of washes and rinses associated with each push button, and can shoot you a copy.
IIRC, for the Pots/Pans and Normal cycles you can fill both cups if desired. If you only want to fill one, it should be the "main wash" cup, which is the one with the cover, and you should close the cover. For the Light cycle, you never fill both cups; fill only the main wash cup and close the cover.
I think that starting with the 21 series, there was no longer a heating delay. I'm guessing here, but I think the older models (series 20 and earlier) that have the heating element down in the recessed area by the filter are the ones with heating delays.
To answer Gary's question about selecting the Pots/Pans button but setting the dial to "Light," there are two possible scenarios based on the sequence of events.
Scenario 1: Turn the dial to Light and latch the door (or you can reverse that order, presuming all buttons are popped out as a result of door having been open). Push Pots/Pans button. Machine will start and will execute the Light cycle regardless of Pots/Pans having been selected.
Scenario 2: Latch the door. Push the Pots/Pans button. Machine will start. Advance dial manually to Light cycle. You'll hear the machine stuttering its way through split- second wash, drain and fill actions as you move the knob around. Not recommended. Had the user selected the "Light" button, none of that stuttering would have taken place. The "Normal," "Light," and "Rinse/Hold" buttons do nothing more than disable the timer and prevent functions that would normally occur ahead of them if any of the buttons to their respective left had been selected instead.
It looks like Nate has validated my statements above, and I was tempted to call it a hokey delayed start feature but you don't ever get to delay Pots/Pans. The delay is shortest for Normal, longer for Light, and even longer for Rinse/Hold. This is one of the things that aggravates me about my Thermador's sequencing on partial cycles. The water is no longer hot if I wait for the timer to advance on its own before the first fill.
I don't know if the 23 series shares the same cycling with the 21 series. If it does, I have a PDF of the 21's instructions (thanks Bob!) complete with a matrix of washes and rinses associated with each push button, and can shoot you a copy.
IIRC, for the Pots/Pans and Normal cycles you can fill both cups if desired. If you only want to fill one, it should be the "main wash" cup, which is the one with the cover, and you should close the cover. For the Light cycle, you never fill both cups; fill only the main wash cup and close the cover.
I think that starting with the 21 series, there was no longer a heating delay. I'm guessing here, but I think the older models (series 20 and earlier) that have the heating element down in the recessed area by the filter are the ones with heating delays.
To answer Gary's question about selecting the Pots/Pans button but setting the dial to "Light," there are two possible scenarios based on the sequence of events.
Scenario 1: Turn the dial to Light and latch the door (or you can reverse that order, presuming all buttons are popped out as a result of door having been open). Push Pots/Pans button. Machine will start and will execute the Light cycle regardless of Pots/Pans having been selected.
Scenario 2: Latch the door. Push the Pots/Pans button. Machine will start. Advance dial manually to Light cycle. You'll hear the machine stuttering its way through split- second wash, drain and fill actions as you move the knob around. Not recommended. Had the user selected the "Light" button, none of that stuttering would have taken place. The "Normal," "Light," and "Rinse/Hold" buttons do nothing more than disable the timer and prevent functions that would normally occur ahead of them if any of the buttons to their respective left had been selected instead.
Ralph, send Brian a copy of the charts from the 23 manual. The sequence and times aren't much different between the 21 & 23. Brian, water heating is only done during the main wash phase. Water circulation continues. On the 23 series it specifically states the main wash could be extended by up to 15 minutes for heating the water. I've not found that same statement in the 21 or 22 series manuals. Maybe John L (combo52) can shed some light on that subject.
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