spankomatic
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Anybody want to come to my house for Thanksgiving this year?
We ALL do! Robert,how many members are in the club now???
We ALL do! Robert,how many members are in the club now???
Hand Dishwashing
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sudsmaster
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I'm not very fond of handwashing, but I do wash certain things by hand - generally pots and pans and large bowls that really are too big for the dishwasher.
Before I got a place with a dishwasher, I handwashed everything. After I got a dishwasher, I noticed that some stuff I'd had for years really wasn't that clean - especially the plastics. One dishwasher session cleared that up and I was sold on the concept. The dishwasher gets water generally much hotter than most handwashing, as well as using much more powerful cleaners and a scientific rinse/wash/rinse pattern that seems to strip soil from dishes and utensils very well.
Before I got a place with a dishwasher, I handwashed everything. After I got a dishwasher, I noticed that some stuff I'd had for years really wasn't that clean - especially the plastics. One dishwasher session cleared that up and I was sold on the concept. The dishwasher gets water generally much hotter than most handwashing, as well as using much more powerful cleaners and a scientific rinse/wash/rinse pattern that seems to strip soil from dishes and utensils very well.
ronhic
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Well if I HAVE to do them by hand, I do this...
- Everything scraped and stacked on the left of the sink
- 2" hot water in
- swish the dishes through to rinse and stack on the drainer
- rinse pots if needed
- move everything back to the left
- drain rinse water
Then
- 2" fresh hot water and a squirt of detergent
- wipe down drainer
- glasses then cups...rinse under low flow hot water into detergent sink..into drainer
- plates next starting with smallest...rinsed as above and into drainer
- another squirt of detergent for the pots...rinse
- empty sink
THEN
- 1" hot water touch of detergent
- benches
- stove
- rinse cloth in soapy water...then rinse in cold water...
wring the bloody thing out, unfold and hang ovre tap to dry...
...and if you rinse the wash cloth out in hot soapy and then cold water, wring and then let dry...it won't go smelly
Is it any wonder that I like dishwashers?
- Everything scraped and stacked on the left of the sink
- 2" hot water in
- swish the dishes through to rinse and stack on the drainer
- rinse pots if needed
- move everything back to the left
- drain rinse water
Then
- 2" fresh hot water and a squirt of detergent
- wipe down drainer
- glasses then cups...rinse under low flow hot water into detergent sink..into drainer
- plates next starting with smallest...rinsed as above and into drainer
- another squirt of detergent for the pots...rinse
- empty sink
THEN
- 1" hot water touch of detergent
- benches
- stove
- rinse cloth in soapy water...then rinse in cold water...
wring the bloody thing out, unfold and hang ovre tap to dry...
...and if you rinse the wash cloth out in hot soapy and then cold water, wring and then let dry...it won't go smelly
Is it any wonder that I like dishwashers?
Hmm,
Here in Germany, everything goes into the Miele - including wooden spoons.
Only carbon-steel knives and cast-iron are cleaned by hand.
If it isn't dishwasher safe, I don't buy it.
When I do have to wash stuff by hand, I use hot water, lots of soak time and rinse under running hot water which I then turn off between items. I don't buy this nonsense that you needn't rinse dishwashing detergent off and this used to cause quite a few fights with my super-öko-oriented first German boyfriend.
Of course there's a residue, how silly to pretend there isn't.
But wasting water when rinsing is also a bad idea.
When I have to do a big washing up - large party or picnic or social, whatever, we follow the three-basin rule with the last rinse basin filled with water and chlorine bleach.
The worst thing one can do, the absolute worst, is to wipe dishes dry. That spreads disease and filth more than anything else.
All in all, I think if I had to chose, I'd take a dishwasher over a refrigerator.
Here in Germany, everything goes into the Miele - including wooden spoons.
Only carbon-steel knives and cast-iron are cleaned by hand.
If it isn't dishwasher safe, I don't buy it.
When I do have to wash stuff by hand, I use hot water, lots of soak time and rinse under running hot water which I then turn off between items. I don't buy this nonsense that you needn't rinse dishwashing detergent off and this used to cause quite a few fights with my super-öko-oriented first German boyfriend.
Of course there's a residue, how silly to pretend there isn't.
But wasting water when rinsing is also a bad idea.
When I have to do a big washing up - large party or picnic or social, whatever, we follow the three-basin rule with the last rinse basin filled with water and chlorine bleach.
The worst thing one can do, the absolute worst, is to wipe dishes dry. That spreads disease and filth more than anything else.
All in all, I think if I had to chose, I'd take a dishwasher over a refrigerator.
"Hi Thomas, may I ask you why so many brazilians do their dishes by hand. Is this a cultural fact? I know that in Italy a lot of housewives even now prefer to do the dishes by hand.
Are the dishwashers in Brazil more expensive than in other countries?"
I believe it's much more a cultural fact.
Dishwashers are expensive, but not outrageous. Also, anyone could finance them in up to 20 quotes.
Dishwasher detergents are quite expensive too, if compared to handwashing detergents but I don't believe this is the point too.
so, the only point I can believe is the cultural fact, because many of the housekeepers that has a dishwasher NEVER use them. They say they would use it only on "special ocasions" like christmas or other holliday. but most of the times, when these meals happen, you'll always see a huge pile of dishes on the sink, the housekeeper handwashing (and blaming even the 5th generation of her family because of it) and saying it doesn't worth to use the dishwasher because you have the chore to load it and unload it, plus the ages it takes to run the cycle, plus the electricity costs (and believe it of not) most of them believe it spends thousands and thousands of gallons of water per cycle.
At home, after many years with a dishwasher being used only once or twice a year, i finally educated my mom to start using it every day. the only things I do by hand are the barbecure grills because they don't fit inside my compact Brastemp built in.
Are the dishwashers in Brazil more expensive than in other countries?"
I believe it's much more a cultural fact.
Dishwashers are expensive, but not outrageous. Also, anyone could finance them in up to 20 quotes.
Dishwasher detergents are quite expensive too, if compared to handwashing detergents but I don't believe this is the point too.
so, the only point I can believe is the cultural fact, because many of the housekeepers that has a dishwasher NEVER use them. They say they would use it only on "special ocasions" like christmas or other holliday. but most of the times, when these meals happen, you'll always see a huge pile of dishes on the sink, the housekeeper handwashing (and blaming even the 5th generation of her family because of it) and saying it doesn't worth to use the dishwasher because you have the chore to load it and unload it, plus the ages it takes to run the cycle, plus the electricity costs (and believe it of not) most of them believe it spends thousands and thousands of gallons of water per cycle.
At home, after many years with a dishwasher being used only once or twice a year, i finally educated my mom to start using it every day. the only things I do by hand are the barbecure grills because they don't fit inside my compact Brastemp built in.
Wooden spoons & cutting boards in the dw
Keven, I really do hate handwashing, but I'd never wash woodens in the DW.
Wood behaves like a sponge, next time you'll cook with those spoons you'll add some DW detergent and some rinse aid to your recipe
It's better washing wooden items with hot water & baking soda then rinse them with hot water and some white vinegar.
Not to mention the fact that the DW "bakes" wood
Keven, I really do hate handwashing, but I'd never wash woodens in the DW.
Wood behaves like a sponge, next time you'll cook with those spoons you'll add some DW detergent and some rinse aid to your recipe
It's better washing wooden items with hot water & baking soda then rinse them with hot water and some white vinegar.
Not to mention the fact that the DW "bakes" wood
Hi Favorit,
Nah - I've been washing them that way for the last, hmmm, ok, been doing it that way since 1977.
I figure, short of scrubbing them clean with pure salt, any water and or soap mixture is going to soak in - here, at least, I know they're not absorbing icky fat and germs.
This is, I well know, one of the great divides in automatic dishwashing. Wooden utensils aren't forever, I just don't worry about it - buy new ones every two years or so. I'm not talking about high quality teak salad thongs, or beautiful woven wood bowls. I'm talking about the cheap maple wood stuff you get with a spatula and two solid spoons for €3 at Ikea.
But definitely not my cast iron skillets or carbon-steel knives.
(Been having this conversation now for 32 years, too
))
Nah - I've been washing them that way for the last, hmmm, ok, been doing it that way since 1977.
I figure, short of scrubbing them clean with pure salt, any water and or soap mixture is going to soak in - here, at least, I know they're not absorbing icky fat and germs.
This is, I well know, one of the great divides in automatic dishwashing. Wooden utensils aren't forever, I just don't worry about it - buy new ones every two years or so. I'm not talking about high quality teak salad thongs, or beautiful woven wood bowls. I'm talking about the cheap maple wood stuff you get with a spatula and two solid spoons for €3 at Ikea.
But definitely not my cast iron skillets or carbon-steel knives.
(Been having this conversation now for 32 years, too
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I still do dishes by hand - I do have an old kitchen aid /Hobart dishwasher that came with the house when I bought it 8 years ago but I`m afraid to use the dishwasher.
Another approach is simply not to use dishes. There are, of course, paper plates. But my favorite dish-less idea was one I heard of many years ago. A man I casually knew then had, at one time, just used an old copy of a news magazine as a paper plate. After eating, he'd tear the page off and the magazine would be all ready for the next meal.
moonvalleycacti
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Ok, is that really true?
Oh, that's not quite true
I would say the typical Hausfrau - especially if she's a typical queen - is just as anal retentive about doing the washing-up as she is about every other aspect of cleaning house.
My reference to the not rinsing was a comment on the extreme öko-tendencies of the 70's and 80's among many folks here in Europe. Worse than California, even.
But those days have passed. We now have ecologically sound detergents which clean adequately and most people are reasonable about using enough water to get the job done.
I would say the typical Hausfrau - especially if she's a typical queen - is just as anal retentive about doing the washing-up as she is about every other aspect of cleaning house.
My reference to the not rinsing was a comment on the extreme öko-tendencies of the 70's and 80's among many folks here in Europe. Worse than California, even.
But those days have passed. We now have ecologically sound detergents which clean adequately and most people are reasonable about using enough water to get the job done.
rolls_rapide
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I detest washing dishes by hand. I find it too time consuming, it knocks seven bells out my hands, I waste too much water rinsing the dishes, and I hate the draining-board being cluttered with wet dishes. Drying them by hand is a waste of time too.
Thank God for Josephine Cochrane.
I put all food utensils into my dishwasher, whether they're made of wood, steel, glass, crystal, china, plastic or aluminium. Oven shelves go in too.
I will say that French made glass is quite rubbishy, in that 'Tefal' pots & pans glass lids, and 'Arcuisine' glass bowls are very susceptible to clouding / glass corrosion.
UK 'Pyrex' (by Corning) does not suffer these effects.
Thank God for Josephine Cochrane.
I put all food utensils into my dishwasher, whether they're made of wood, steel, glass, crystal, china, plastic or aluminium. Oven shelves go in too.
I will say that French made glass is quite rubbishy, in that 'Tefal' pots & pans glass lids, and 'Arcuisine' glass bowls are very susceptible to clouding / glass corrosion.
UK 'Pyrex' (by Corning) does not suffer these effects.
whirlcool
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Everything we have goes in the dishwasher. Sometimes Karen will hand wash a large item or two. When our last dishwasher broke, we had to dishes by hand for a month.
No rubber gloves.
First we rinsed off the major food debris down the disposal.
Then we stacked the rinsed dishes on the counter next to the sink.
We'd fill the right side of the sink with Dawn Original Scent.
Then we'd put all the dishes in the water and let them soak for about a half hour as the water we put in the sink was too hot for our hands
Then we'd wash one piece and put it in the left side of the sink
When we were finished washing all the dishes, we'd turn on the running hot water and rinse each piece under it.
Finally we put it in the dish drainer on the counter on the left side of the sink.
The result is very nicely cleaned dishes.
I believe that the dishwasher does a better job then we can simply because it uses water that is much hotter than our hands can stand, especially if you use the "High Temp Wash" and "Sanitize" rinse options.
No rubber gloves.
First we rinsed off the major food debris down the disposal.
Then we stacked the rinsed dishes on the counter next to the sink.
We'd fill the right side of the sink with Dawn Original Scent.
Then we'd put all the dishes in the water and let them soak for about a half hour as the water we put in the sink was too hot for our hands
Then we'd wash one piece and put it in the left side of the sink
When we were finished washing all the dishes, we'd turn on the running hot water and rinse each piece under it.
Finally we put it in the dish drainer on the counter on the left side of the sink.
The result is very nicely cleaned dishes.
I believe that the dishwasher does a better job then we can simply because it uses water that is much hotter than our hands can stand, especially if you use the "High Temp Wash" and "Sanitize" rinse options.
In my childhood it was just a time thing: we had a dishwasher, but after dinner we'd all pitch in to "clear the table", we took turns washing and drying the day's dishes, and 15-20 minutes later it was all done and put away.
Much, much faster than using the dishwasher.
Much, much faster than using the dishwasher.
xraytech
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When I do hand wash dishes, I must first scrape and sort everything on the counter to the left of sink, first is glasses and mugs, then dinner plates, followed by luncheon plates and bread and butter plates, then cereal bowls, mixing/serving bowls, pots and pans, silverware.
That is also the order things are washed and arranged neatly in the dish rack. I fill the lt. side of the sink with very hot water and only use non-ultra DAWN original scent and a drop of bleach, I wash all lik eitems and place in rt. side of sink then I rinse and place in dish rack, then continue this cycle with each group of items until all clean then I take the dish towel and wipe down counters, then microwave inside and out, front of dishwasher, oven door, and fridge, then I clean the top of the stove and rinse and wring out dish towel to dry over the partition in the sink and the drying towel is laid over the dishes in the dish rack
That is also the order things are washed and arranged neatly in the dish rack. I fill the lt. side of the sink with very hot water and only use non-ultra DAWN original scent and a drop of bleach, I wash all lik eitems and place in rt. side of sink then I rinse and place in dish rack, then continue this cycle with each group of items until all clean then I take the dish towel and wipe down counters, then microwave inside and out, front of dishwasher, oven door, and fridge, then I clean the top of the stove and rinse and wring out dish towel to dry over the partition in the sink and the drying towel is laid over the dishes in the dish rack
I don't believe in washing anything by hand unless it's absolutely necessary. Everything goes in the dishwasher. My mom was the same way, at least with the everything went in the dishwasher and if it couldn't, it was rarely used. Even after having company over for a meal, I'll wash as many loads as it takes to get everything washed. I'd rather have stuff sit around than wash it. That's how much I hate washing stuff by hand. let the machinie do it.
but I`m afraid to use the dishwasher.
And why is that Douglas? If that's the case, buy some el cheapo machine to put in there and let someone in the club have your Hobart made KitchenAid. BTW, what is the model of the KA?
And why is that Douglas? If that's the case, buy some el cheapo machine to put in there and let someone in the club have your Hobart made KitchenAid. BTW, what is the model of the KA?
rolls_rapide
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That's how much I hate washing stuff by hand. let the ma
Quite.
Quite.
deeprinser
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My hands suffer ( seriously ) after a sink full of dishes and pots ! The detergents are like paint stripper !
I moved into my new house 6 months ago and left the dishwasher at my old home ( it was built in)
I'm after a new one but, I'm waiting for a new kitchen to be fitted .
p.s. Lawrence MTBear- If you only handwash your hands then,
who-elses hands are soaping the rest of you in the shower ?? Hhmmm ! Hehe !
Louis.......
I moved into my new house 6 months ago and left the dishwasher at my old home ( it was built in)
I'm after a new one but, I'm waiting for a new kitchen to be fitted .
p.s. Lawrence MTBear- If you only handwash your hands then,
who-elses hands are soaping the rest of you in the shower ?? Hhmmm ! Hehe !
Louis.......
aquarius1984
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I absolutely hate handwashing,
True what they say. Once you have a dishwasher you NEVER go back to doing it by hand.
Wooden spoons, pans roasting tins, the lot goes into the machine, Use a variety of programmes to suit the load and the contents but mostly Economy 50degs - 2 cold prewashes, main wash at 50 degs and 2 rinses at 50 degs,
2hrs 30 and the load gleams.
If given the choice between a DW and a tumble dryer you will find me buying pegs and a washing line.
Dont think id be able to give up the fridge freezer..... I mean how else am I supposed to make the ice cubes for a Gordons and Tonic?
LOL
p.s Im ashamed at the loading standards too. Busy day at work, just wanted to throw the lot in and get it washed lol.
True what they say. Once you have a dishwasher you NEVER go back to doing it by hand.
Wooden spoons, pans roasting tins, the lot goes into the machine, Use a variety of programmes to suit the load and the contents but mostly Economy 50degs - 2 cold prewashes, main wash at 50 degs and 2 rinses at 50 degs,
2hrs 30 and the load gleams.
If given the choice between a DW and a tumble dryer you will find me buying pegs and a washing line.
Dont think id be able to give up the fridge freezer..... I mean how else am I supposed to make the ice cubes for a Gordons and Tonic?
LOL
p.s Im ashamed at the loading standards too. Busy day at work, just wanted to throw the lot in and get it washed lol.
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manual handwashing
The house iam renting the kitchen is not big enough for even a portable dishwasher, so i wash everything by hand, but i put those old fashioned gloves on run very hot water, two squirts of dawn original soap, and add a small amount of bleach. When i wash dishes i wash a few things sit them in the sink turn on the Hot water and rinse them thuroughly and then put them in the dish rack to air dry, then i continue on washing the rest, i will not towel dry my dishes, its unsanitary and in restaurants here in ohio that i have worked in its illegal to towel dry dishes. Thats how i was taught, bleach in the dish water kills germs. And being told that iam (OCD) by my friends i do dishes in a certain order too. glasses first, then silverware, then plates,bowels, and pots and pans last.
Kelly
The house iam renting the kitchen is not big enough for even a portable dishwasher, so i wash everything by hand, but i put those old fashioned gloves on run very hot water, two squirts of dawn original soap, and add a small amount of bleach. When i wash dishes i wash a few things sit them in the sink turn on the Hot water and rinse them thuroughly and then put them in the dish rack to air dry, then i continue on washing the rest, i will not towel dry my dishes, its unsanitary and in restaurants here in ohio that i have worked in its illegal to towel dry dishes. Thats how i was taught, bleach in the dish water kills germs. And being told that iam (OCD) by my friends i do dishes in a certain order too. glasses first, then silverware, then plates,bowels, and pots and pans last.
Kelly
Personally, I really hate hand washing dishes, almost everything I own goes to the dishwasher. But lately I've been irritated that stuff I bought from countries that supposedly care more about the environment (like European countries and Japan) make brand new stuff that needs to be hand washed: my Zojirushi rice cooker says very explicitly that it needs to be hand washed, and also some parts of my Electrolux Assistent mixer and my Bosch Universal Plus mixer are not dishwasher safe, when they could all have been made with stainless steel or plastics that can safely be put in the dishwasher. I also had a Krups expresso maker that had parts that were not dishwasher safe -- I'm sad that it just died but glad it did, I'll pay more attention next time I buy an espresso maker. Handwashing wastes an awful lot of water (and thus energy), I'd rather put stuff in the dishwasher when possible.
Kelly and Sam: I apologize for being the nagging person, but please be aware that most dishwashing detergents have ammonium compounds in them and every single version of Dawn that I've bought say very clearly in the label one is not to mix it with chlorine bleach -- nasty fumes can result. If you want the disinfecting properties, you can rinse the dishes and then add the bleach in the next rinse. Personally, after a few minutes in the bleach rinse, I'd rinse the bleach away and then air dry -- you won't get the dishes any less disinfected than when you touch them to put them away and it won't taste as bad as when the bleach is left on the dishes to dry, but that's my quirk -- the important part is not to mix the bleach with the detergent.
Kelly and Sam: I apologize for being the nagging person, but please be aware that most dishwashing detergents have ammonium compounds in them and every single version of Dawn that I've bought say very clearly in the label one is not to mix it with chlorine bleach -- nasty fumes can result. If you want the disinfecting properties, you can rinse the dishes and then add the bleach in the next rinse. Personally, after a few minutes in the bleach rinse, I'd rinse the bleach away and then air dry -- you won't get the dishes any less disinfected than when you touch them to put them away and it won't taste as bad as when the bleach is left on the dishes to dry, but that's my quirk -- the important part is not to mix the bleach with the detergent.
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Rinsing
I use a rack on the sink, then use a rubber fill up hose for a twin tub. I hook it up to the hot tap and hot rinse plates cuttlery 1st then any pots and pans rinse under running hot water
http://www.sebastiangoldfingle.talktalk.net
I use a rack on the sink, then use a rubber fill up hose for a twin tub. I hook it up to the hot tap and hot rinse plates cuttlery 1st then any pots and pans rinse under running hot water
http://www.sebastiangoldfingle.talktalk.net
bpetersxx
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a semimanual hand dishwashing
Dishmaster
That's how I hand wash now
Dishmaster
That's how I hand wash now
abcomatic
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I HATE washing dishes by hand. The good china and large skillets are washed by hand, and that is about it, everything else goes in the dishwasher. Gary
kqkenmore
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I like my dishdrainer but I love my dishwasher more if it breaks then I am out buying another one.I do not care for the grocery store brands of dishwashing.In Memphis there is a Williams Sonoma outlet and they have the best hand dishwashing detergent and at 75% off it cost the same as the grocery store stuff.
There was an interesting story several years ago in the Wall Street Journal, I think, about how Panasonic/Matsushita tried to popularize a dishwasher in Japan and had no luck at all. Issues were several....1. limited hot water, 2. only 110 volt power 3. crowded conditions 4. very difficult foods (rice is verrrrry sticky to get off 5. difficult shaped dished (i.e. ricebowls).
Now if you look at a Japanese home-wares store (Mitsuwa Marketplace in Mount Prospect, IL is a good one) you see multitudinous dish racks and dish dryers,
jl
Now if you look at a Japanese home-wares store (Mitsuwa Marketplace in Mount Prospect, IL is a good one) you see multitudinous dish racks and dish dryers,
jl
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