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johnb300m said:
Oh nice, there it is. The new model with yellow accents. Looks nice.
Looks like a good unit, coming close to the upper level Maytag or low level KitchenAid model.
You can see the big motor in rear view.

Surprising Key Features:
- 90 minute Normal Wash cycle, a full hour less than the old model. (this should make some ppl here super duper happy, but probably not)
- Water repellent treatment on the silverware basket
- door-pop-open drying

https://www.searspartsdirect.com/model/4mym9llm0o-001198/whirlpool-wdts8024sz0-dishwasher-parts
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I was disappointed by the silverware basket, after having seen the 3-part one in the prior models I thought it was better than these single-piece ones. Ultimately I miss the silverware in the door/front-rack-mounted basket, as it gave you so much room without needing a third rack.

Re the 90 minute wash time, interestingly that is a WP specific feature. They Maytag gets a longer normal cycle IIRC. And I’m concerned it will have reduced performance since it gives the detergent less time to work, unless they do this by shortening the prewash and dry cycles? Perhaps that, plus the self cleaning filter, and the auto-open drying, combines to make up for the shortened time? I’m curious to see the consumer reviews come in.
 
johnb300m said:
Oh nice, there it is. The new model with yellow accents. Looks nice.
Looks like a good unit, coming close to the upper level Maytag or low level KitchenAid model.
You can see the big motor in rear view.

Surprising Key Features:
- 90 minute Normal Wash cycle, a full hour less than the old model. (this should make some ppl here super duper happy, but probably not)
- Water repellent treatment on the silverware basket
- door-pop-open drying


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For the visually impaired, the best I could do is find the parts list on Sears.

https://www.searspartsdirect.com/model/4mym9llm0o-001198/whirlpool-wdts8024sz0-dishwasher-parts
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Now that's what I'm looking for!
 
michaelz08 said:
I was disappointed by the silverware basket, after having seen the 3-part one in the prior models I thought it was better than these single-piece ones. Ultimately I miss the silverware in the door/front-rack-mounted basket, as it gave you so much room without needing a third rack.

Re the 90 minute wash time, interestingly that is a WP specific feature. They Maytag gets a longer normal cycle IIRC. And I’m concerned it will have reduced performance since it gives the detergent less time to work, unless they do this by shortening the prewash and dry cycles? Perhaps that, plus the self cleaning filter, and the auto-open drying, combines to make up for the shortened time? I’m curious to see the consumer reviews come in.
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I'm also curious to see what it looks like in action.
 
michaelz08 said:
I was disappointed by the silverware basket, after having seen the 3-part one in the prior models I thought it was better than these single-piece ones. Ultimately I miss the silverware in the door/front-rack-mounted basket, as it gave you so much room without needing a third rack.

Re the 90 minute wash time, interestingly that is a WP specific feature. They Maytag gets a longer normal cycle IIRC. And I’m concerned it will have reduced performance since it gives the detergent less time to work, unless they do this by shortening the prewash and dry cycles? Perhaps that, plus the self cleaning filter, and the auto-open drying, combines to make up for the shortened time? I’m curious to see the consumer reviews come in.
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That's what I was kinda thinking too, Michael.
I am guessing they re-calibrated the Normal cycle to run much shorter when light/no soil is sensed. And if the load is dirtier, it switches to a longer Normal wash or adds a pre-wash.
Since this WP is brand new, I wonder if the new cycle programming with filter down to the Maytag and KitchenAid line as they update them.
 
johnb300m said:
So cyincal....
Here's more evidence that I don't think sites like Abt remove negative reviews.
It's in their best interest to only sell the best appliances. They sell and fix their own stuff, which means if they sell poor performing appliances, it's more money lost for them in service and returns.
Here's some of the lowest rated dishwashers on their site, look, they're still up and not deleted.
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Yes, and look at those numbers. 1, 8, 2, 2. You don't delete all negative reviews otherwise it becomes too suspicious. Instead you create the perception of an organic platform. You delete the majority of well written negative reviews, the majority of the poorly written positive reviews, while leaving the bulk of very poorly written negative reviews balanced against a large ratio of well written positive reviews.

Such that when a person reads a site they walk away with the impression that the overwhelming majority of smart, balanced, lucid, educated people have nice things to say about the product where as the small percentage of exceptionally entitled, uneducated, unreasonable people are leaving the small majority of the negative reviews with a very, very small handful of well written negative reviews left in the mix to create the perception of a free and open platform. 'How can they be deleting reviews that are too negative then there are 5 scathing reviews out of the 250 positive review?' 'If they were deleting negative reviews like you claim there wouldn't be 5 super critical negative reviews out of the 500 positive reviews.'


There is also the fact that outsiders can add or remove reviews in just about any anything from a media platform. Anyone or any group can be bribed to write glowing positive reviews. And finally, contrary to what many people think when you hit "report" or "flag" on an internet post it typically isn't seen by a human. Instead the comment is marked by the software. If a comment is marked enough times (from being flagged) it is atomically shadowed or deleted. The people doing the flagging know that if a comment is reported enough times it will disappear.


It is not just about selling poorly performing or well performing machines, it is also about creating a perception around them. Think about how many mediocre, bland, empty, or unhealthy products and franchises have rocketed to superstardom via advertising that would not have otherwise. I don't have to explain it.
 
Chetlaham said:
Yes, and look at those numbers. 1, 8, 2, 2. You don't delete all negative reviews otherwise it becomes too suspicious. Instead you create the perception of an organic platform. You delete the majority of well written negative reviews, the majority of the poorly written positive reviews, while leaving the bulk of very poorly written negative reviews balanced against a large ratio of well written positive reviews.

Such that when a person reads a site they walk away with the impression that the overwhelming majority of smart, balanced, lucid, educated people have nice things to say about the product where as the small percentage of exceptionally entitled, uneducated, unreasonable people are leaving the small majority of the negative reviews with a very, very small handful of well written negative reviews left in the mix to create the perception of a free and open platform. 'How can they be deleting reviews that are too negative then there are 5 scathing reviews out of the 250 positive review?' 'If they were deleting negative reviews like you claim there wouldn't be 5 super critical negative reviews out of the 500 positive reviews.'


There is also the fact that outsiders can add or remove reviews in just about any anything from a media platform. Anyone or any group can be bribed to write glowing positive reviews. And finally, contrary to what many people think when you hit "report" or "flag" on an internet post it typically isn't seen by a human. Instead the comment is marked by the software. If a comment is marked enough times (from being flagged) it is atomically shadowed or deleted. The people doing the flagging know that if a comment is reported enough times it will disappear.


It is not just about selling poorly performing or well performing machines, it is also about creating a perception around them. Think about how many mediocre, bland, empty, or unhealthy products and franchises have rocketed to superstardom via advertising that would not have otherwise. I don't have to explain it.
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www.betterhelp.com
 
Chetlaham said:
Yes, and look at those numbers. 1, 8, 2, 2. You don't delete all negative reviews otherwise it becomes too suspicious. Instead you create the perception of an organic platform. You delete the majority of well written negative reviews, the majority of the poorly written positive reviews, while leaving the bulk of very poorly written negative reviews balanced against a large ratio of well written positive reviews.

Such that when a person reads a site they walk away with the impression that the overwhelming majority of smart, balanced, lucid, educated people have nice things to say about the product where as the small percentage of exceptionally entitled, uneducated, unreasonable people are leaving the small majority of the negative reviews with a very, very small handful of well written negative reviews left in the mix to create the perception of a free and open platform. 'How can they be deleting reviews that are too negative then there are 5 scathing reviews out of the 250 positive review?' 'If they were deleting negative reviews like you claim there wouldn't be 5 super critical negative reviews out of the 500 positive reviews.'


There is also the fact that outsiders can add or remove reviews in just about any anything from a media platform. Anyone or any group can be bribed to write glowing positive reviews. And finally, contrary to what many people think when you hit "report" or "flag" on an internet post it typically isn't seen by a human. Instead the comment is marked by the software. If a comment is marked enough times (from being flagged) it is atomically shadowed or deleted. The people doing the flagging know that if a comment is reported enough times it will disappear.


It is not just about selling poorly performing or well performing machines, it is also about creating a perception around them. Think about how many mediocre, bland, empty, or unhealthy products and franchises have rocketed to superstardom via advertising that would not have otherwise. I don't have to explain it.
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Seriously? This is paranoia.
 
This is the problem with the internet.
All the village oddities find each other and scream to everyone else that "they're the problem.
And only the "truth" can be found through "them."
What a bunch of messiah complexes.

I move for @Alan to close the thread.
 
johnb300m said:
This is the problem with the internet.
All the village oddities find each other and scream to everyone else that "they're the problem.
And only the "truth" can be found through "them."
What a bunch of messiah complexes.

I move for @Alan to close the thread.
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Well, same can be sad the other way around.

If what we are saying is so wrong, why do you have such a need to silence us?

In the end people are going to have views, experiences and opinions that differ from yours. That is life, including how to handle it in mature way.
 
Chetlaham said:
Well, same can be sad the other way around.

If what we are saying is so wrong, why do you have such a need to silence us?

In the end people are going to have views, experiences and opinions that differ from yours. That is life, including how to handle it in mature way.
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Seriously! He could tell it to the thousands upon thousands who have nagative experiences with these machines! GEEZ!
 
johnb300m said:
It’s a lost cause.
This once great site has been taken over by lunatics.
It’s probably a bad idea to be here.
This used to be a once great site with members full of first hand knowledge and industry and collector know-how.
Many have sadly departed or left the site for obvious reasons.
It’s now a collection of conspiracy theories and baseless, made up opinions that you guys try to pass off as factual information on machines.

I feel bad for anyone online browsing here looking for actual appliance information, after 2020.
Best to keep to the archives, people.

It’s been fun for a while. Stay sane out there with all the crazies.
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Unfortunately the website is slowly imploding upon itself. Continued opinion bashing regarding appliances and consumer choice thrust down our table posts. There is an element of newbies that belong to "BITTER", table for one and others as you quote as "lunatics" diluting once what was the the creation of "automaticwasher.com" by Unimatic (Robert).
Quote: "Many have sadly departed or left the site for obvious reasons". I hope that the founding and long term members can stand united and will continue offering their first hand knowledge and industry and collector know-how.
 
michaelz08 said:
They’re already out- I’ve seen the Whirlpool and Maytag version on ABT’s site. The Maytag even includes fan drying which is a little- but not completely- redundant with the auto open door and is really well priced. The KitchenAid versions are on their site but not really on many retailers yet.

I hate to say it, but the green color for the KitchenAid would definitely convince me to spend more. lol.
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Wait what? Green?? Where did you see that?
 
simpsomatic said:
Not only part of the dilution of this site but exactly my thoughts of the first responses to my post that would try to justify themselves
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Yes, I will ask for an example of my problem behavior if you make an accusation of it.

However, before anything else I'd be more concerned about the rampant name calling perpetuated in every other thread by a select few members ie "lunatics"

If I don't like modern dishwasher motors or the machine's limited warranty then thats just something others have to make peace with. Letting someone have an opinion that happens to be different than yours isn't a sign or act an act of agreeing with them.
 
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simpsomatic said:
Did you read my post (previous to yours) Get a grip, some members cannot help themselves......
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Well it’s true, he’s told us that he doesn’t buy the appliances he just uses whatever is available, just teasing, get over yourself. And this website has already long deteriorated, way before the horrible remodel of this website, consider other members who are much more active than I am, with my once a month tune-ins.
 
Chetlaham said:
Yes, I will ask for an example of my problem behavior if you make an accusation of it.

However, before anything else I'd be more concerned about the rampant name calling perpetuated in every other thread by a select few members ie "lunatics"

If I don't like modern dishwasher motors or the machine's limited warranty then thats just something others have to make peace with. Letting someone have an opinion that happens to be different than yours isn't a sign or act an act of agreeing with them.
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Don't you get it? Why have you taken my comments as directed to you. Just as I referred to those who would respond to my post along with "John300m" there where belongs an element of members that are "lunatics". You are not exclusive
 
For the most part it seems, many members are repectable towards others, even if they don't agree with other's postings.
Debates can happen, mistaken information sometimes happens, it's a part of human nature.
However, I and I'm sure some others can attest to the fact that others reply with an attitude like a schoolyard bully, with offensive language.
Those types do not help the general morale of the site.
 
phillymatt53 said:
For the most part it seems, many members are repectable towards others, even if they don't agree with other's postings.
Debates can happen, mistaken information sometimes happens, it's a part of human nature.
However, I and I'm sure some others can attest to the fact that others reply with an attitude like a schoolyard bully, with offensive language.
Those types do not help the general morale of the site.
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Eeeeer go you!!!!!
 
Alan asked me two weeks ago to be a board moderator, as some of you may have noticed per the updated tag on my user profile.

I have cleaned up this thread of the disparaging comments and direct attacks on other board members and majority of the off-topic arguments. Please get the discussion back on topic of Whirlpool dishwasher motors without the sideways personal bickering.
 
phillymatt53 said:
For the most part it seems, many members are repectable towards others, even if they don't agree with other's postings.
Debates can happen, mistaken information sometimes happens, it's a part of human nature.
However, I and I'm sure some others can attest to the fact that others reply with an attitude like a schoolyard bully, with offensive language.
Those types do not help the general morale of the site.
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I agree. I'm big into nostalgia that stands the test of time.
 
Chetlaham said:
Yes, I will ask for an example of my problem behavior if you make an accusation of it.

However, before anything else I'd be more concerned about the rampant name calling perpetuated in every other thread by a select few members ie "lunatics"

If I don't like modern dishwasher motors or the machine's limited warranty then thats just something others have to make peace with. Letting someone have an opinion that happens to be different than yours isn't a sign or act an act of agreeing with them.
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I agree, and If anybody doesn't like my opinion on the weak sprays, they'll just have to deal with it.
 

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