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No, not a thread about casual sex between storage devices! Help needed!

I have the little hard drive from our failed laptop hooked up to our XP desktop. I bought an IDE to SATA adaptor, unplugged the CD-Rom on the desktop, and hooked the little hard drive into the desktop with those wires. The desktop isn't "seeing" the hard drive. Any ideas on what I could do to remedy that? I feel the drive spinning, so I have a lot of hope that I'll be able to recover files off of it.

I tried rebooting again with the drive attached, and nothing. Any help gratefully accepted!!

Chuck
 
If you look in the BIOS does the motherboard recognize the laptop's hard drive?  You may have to set the bios drive settings to "Auto" to get it to see the drive.  Even if it sees it it may not read it, I've come across that situation.  Finally just gave up on the drive.

 

Hope you didn't have anything too valuable or non-replaceable on the drive.
 
 

 

Get to your computer management screen. Then go to Disk management. Here you should be able to see the status.  

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Just because it spins up doesn't mean it's any good now. I know with older IDE drives there was a master/slave jumper on the back near all the plugins and sometimes if that's set wrong you won't see the drive. On the old IDE cables there was a master and slave plug and if you had drives hooked to both plugs they had to be set properly. If the drive was by itself you put it on the master plug and set the jumper to master, or sometimes just left it off depending on the drive.
Look up your drive, see if it has any special jumpers, see if the adapter needs anything special to work, and make sure the drive isn't just too large or in a format xp can't see.
 
I presume the item you are talking about is specifically made to adapt hard disks from a laptop into a traditional desktop PC. If not - you might consider a hard disk enclosure made specifically for this purpose.

What I suspect has happened is Windows is not "seeing" the drive because you've never installed it before.
As Delaney said, go into Computer Management (Under the "Administrative Tools" section in Control Panel, make sure you're using Classic View - not that dopey modern view XP introduced) and a drive should potentially appear there.

If the drive show itself as "Uninitialised," then this indicates Windows is having trouble recognising the partition table and at this point, the data may not be recoverable. If you partition the drive (BE CAREFUL! PROCEED AT OWN RISK ETC!), you may be able to use data recovery software and retrieve what is present.

What I might suggest is paying for data recovery if this happens to be the case. Not worth diddling with because it can sometimes end badly. I've screwed up a number of times due to misunderstanding, and I'd consider myself something of a computer boffin.

Now...
Whether Windows XP is supported or not is irrelevant to the discussion.
A hard-disk is a hard-disk (except for the >1TB models used Advanced Format which I'm sure are not the subject of this discussion) and data retrieval trumps any OS support.

FWIW I still use Windows 2000 here at home - works great on the hardware I prefer to use and I've not managed to infect myself despite "doom and gloom" from experts (or "experts," depending how you see it).
Heck, W2K even ran my personal website for a couple of years and all it ever saw were random attacks designed to compromise PHP or IIS.

Modern internet routers and even basic modems have NAT and Firewalling capabilities which essentially block simple access to a system that would allow Worms and Viruses of the past to find their way in - which exploited computers because of the fact computers were practically "naked" on the internet.
Windows Updates are designed to cover those bits up and "secure" Windows from these holes. Fire-walling and NAT blocks that easy access simply by denying access to the system as a whole from the outside. This is why for very specific applications, you have to manually open specific ports in order for them to communicate across the internet.

Most infections today rely on user being gullible and clicking on malicious advertisements (these even appear on well-reputed sites like Forbes, which is why I Adblock) or blindly installing software to their PC's.
You can't fix stupid, and neither can Microsoft. Newer versions of Windows are just as infectable as the older versions. Some people can infect their new machines in minutes...

Back on topic, now guys.
 
What about the laptop failed? HDD and power adaptor are tied for first.

Most BIOS require you to inform them if you want to use a port that wasn't part of the factory install. The reason they're not all 'auto' is, each port would have a timeout for a valid device ID to appear and waiting for all those timeouts would consume several minutes of boot time.

So do what the screen says when you first turn it on: "To enter setup press (whatever)". Setup is the screen where you do things like tell the system what ports (IDE, SATA) you want to use. Exactly HOW you tell it is up to your BIOS; just to keep us confused no two are the same.

You've got to know which previously-empty port you just plugged something into. Like if you already had a SATA drive, and there's another hole looking just like that, it's probably SATA2. Unless they started numbering from 'zero', then the second port would be 'one'.

You see where we're going. Unlike alcoholism, there is no 'twelve-step' to BIOS setup because every one does exactly the same thing differently. Is that a Yogi Berra-ism?

For each of these core ports (as distinct from peripheral ones like say USB) there is a menu item and probably a dropdown of things like none/IDE/SATA/port number/device type. And another screen of boot status, but that's not important right now.
 
Whether Windows XP is supported or not is irrelevant to the

Thanks, Washer111. I was thinking the same thing. No doom and gloom here as my safety software runs on XP as well as it does my Win 7 or now Win 10 computer.

I did try an enclosure to hook the drive up via USB. The desktop saw the drive but when I tried to access it, it asked me to put a disk in the drive.

The adaptor is such that the drive plugs in one side and the ribbon cable and power on the other side. I had originally plugged into a "spare" outlet on the cable and that didn't work. Do I unplugged the CD Rom drive and plugged it into that outlet. Nothing.

The drive may very well be too large for the desktop as it's 320GB. I didn't know that would matter.

I'll try getting into Disk Mgmt after we've had our breakfast/brunch (that I'm making). More ideas welcomed!

Thanks!!

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What model computer is this?  Or what model mother board do you have?

 

pictures are Good.

 

I'm thinking you don't need this adapter, but need more pics to verify the board.

 

Don't give up.  You are THIS close to getting your data back.
 
Entering BIOS is a good step, too. If you have a manual for the system, you may want to consult that to check what settings need to be altered to get things working.
Some systems will actually halt their POST sequence and alert you to a change in system configuration took place so you can check the BIOS settings.

A 320GB drive should be fine - my reference is drive in the terabytes that use a different means of partitioning the disk. Those disks, which are "advanced format" will have some difficultly working with Windows XP.
As it is a laptop drive, there is no way of directly connecting it to the computer - laptops use miniature connectors that combine the data and electrical connections into one (very) small socket.
 
"Hard drive hookups."

Perhaps Lord Kenmore needs to purify his mind, but as he sees that title, he cannot help but think of computer hard drives "meeting" via a craigslist personal ad, and then meeting for a little X rated fling...
 
Perhaps Lord Kenmore needs to purify his mind

Hence the first sentence in my initial post! LOL!

Washer: I don't know nothin bout no BIOS settings and POST sequences! I know only enough about computers to be of danger to myself! I do have the Toshiba drive hooked to the desktop via an IDE to SATA adaptor. It's powered, but the machine doesn't "see" it.

Rick (arbilab), I unplugged the ribbon cable and power adapter from the CD Rom drive and used those to plug into the adapter with the mini drive attached to it. Since I'm using the same physical plug, should the system see it? Or, does it know that it's not the same doohickey hooked up that was hooked up before?

Thanks guys,
Chuck
 
 

 

I don't see any sata plugs on you MB.  If you had that you could simply connect a sata cable direct to the hard drive.

 

Given that this computer is approximately from 2002, I wasn't able to find any technical information about it.  

 

It could be the drive is shot.  Just because it makes noise when plugged in, doesn't mean it's good.  

 

It may be practical to take the drive to a computer repair shop, or Staples, or similar, and ask them to transfer the files on the drive to a flash drive.  

 

Does this computer have a USB plug?  

 

 
 
Hence the first sentence in my initial post! LOL!

Oops...didn't quite register when I first read the post. (I knew, of course, it was a computer issue...and so skimmed to see if it was anything I could actually intelligently respond to.)
 
Hi Chuck,

There could be a reason that your Desktop machine doesn't recognise your HDD.

Before 2003, PC's couldn't access HDD greater than 137gb, without an updated HDD controller.

If your PC is from 2002, that is most likely why it cant read a 320gb disk. Essentially the computer will pretend its not connected because it doesn't know how to address it.

If you can find someone with a newer PC you may find that your HDD magically appears when you connect it.

The technical reason for this, is that in 2003 the Logical Block Addressing scheme that helps your computer access disks, was upgraded from 28bit to 48bit, which increased the maximum possible capacity that your computer can access from 137gb to 144,000,000gb

I hope this helps

Cheers

Nathan

 
I've had the best luck in cases like this one from using a external drive enclosure which will connect and power the SATA drive, and present a USB interface to your desktop machine. The controller hardware in such a scheme will hide any issues that your existing SATA-to-IDE adapter won't.
 
Nurdlinger: I did try an enclosure to hook the drive up via USB. The desktop saw the drive but when I tried to access it, it asked me to put a disk in the drive.

Brisnat: I'm not so sure I agree with the stated age of the desktop. I found a couple of reviews from Epinions about it from 2007 and 2008 that said it was a good machine I doubt they'd say that about a 5-6 year old machine. Can't find my original paperwork. But it came with Win XP SP2 installed, and SP2 was reportedly released in August of 2004.

So, any thoughts on exactly what to do to put the Bios on "auto" for detecting drives? Not something I've tinkered with before.

Still keeping my fingers crossed!

Chuck
 

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