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Such a great new feature Robert, I cant wait.

 

I have a few things I could contribute, mostly user guides for vintage small appliances, but have a bit of sales brochures as well.

 

I also have a 1978 General Electric calendar featuring 12 months worth of GE ensembles if that is something that may be of intrest
 
Awesome!!!!!!!!!!

You guys are so amazing at what you do. :)

I have some vacuum and washer brochures. I am sure you probably have most of them, but I will send you a sample of them when I get time. :)
 
Just a suggestion..

Maybe it would be a better idea to have two tiers of membership...

The first tier would be like a conventionally upgraded membership, everything stays the same there..

The second tier would be a bit more expensive, but would include unlimited (Well, within reason I guess) downloads of the Doctrine stuff.

If I downloaded 1 document a day at $1.39/ea, that would cost me $507.35, not including Canadian exchange rates, etc. Of course, this is extreme, but just something to think about.

For that amount of money, I'd rather just mail you a 1 Terabyte hard drive, you can copy everything to it and them mail it back to me, it would be cheaper. :) (Even if I sent it overnight.)
 
Another thing you may want to keep in mind...

If you are worrying about bandwidth and transfer quotas as well as web hosting,
you should consider either co-locating or paying for a virtual server.

There are a lot of hosting providers which can provide you with a Terabyte of bandwidth for relatively cheap. (ie. Less than $200/mo.) Especially if you can provide your own server.

If you want to co-locate, let me know, I have spare server hardware coming out the wazoo and I'd rather see it serving up webpages than collecting dust in my garage.

Send me an e-mail.. qualin@n0$pam.shaw.ca if you are interested in taking that route.

I've included a link you may be interested in..

 
Awesome

$1.39 per day - sounds like a habit forming vice for some of us, will you sell them by the carton?  Will there be a cessation or 12-step program on 8-track or cassette tape we can buy to kick the habit?

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I'd rather see it serving up webpages than collecting dust in my garage
Qualin while I do appreciate your advice, but I have absolutely no desire to provide my own server to a web host and then be responsible for it, especially one that been sitting in a garage, aw.org deserves better than that. I spend enough time working on this site that would only add to my workload and stress. I'm well aware of the options of web hosting, but I prefer a premium service that gives me some piece of mind. Our current provider is not cheap but they have provided us with outstanding service and this web site run FAST compared to so many others I see. With the only exception of some down time last month when another site on the server we are sharing was hit with multiple DOS attacks, the uptime is near 100%. This is not up for discussion anymore.

As for the download fee you are not even close to taking everything into account that went into all this. I do realize that this is my fault, my initial post was wordy enough and I decided to lump all the costs of doing this into "storage and bandwith costs" as to not get too off the track. In doing a price calculation you also have to take into consideration the other real costs involved with a massive undertaking such as this, like...

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<li>Meeting with an IP Attorney to review and edit all disclaimers, review the legality of my idea. Very expensive. </li>
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<li>Then the Copyright Office searches they charge $165 an hour with a two hour mininum, that ads up fast with the amount of documents we are talking about. All that is on top of having to pay the copyright office registration fee of $138.  The good news after all that is I now understand how to do most of the searching myself, although at times I still might need some assistance from the office.</li>
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<li>New TOL Epson Perfection V700 scanner $599 and now my laptop appears to be not doing well under all the pressure of being used 14 hours a day, which could mean another $1400 or so. </li>
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<li>Then there are the paypal fees with take out 2.9% + .30 out of every $1.39 you are talking about. </li>
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<li>Then there is the expense of what I've purchased on eBay to add to the library, these stuff is not cheap by any means.  </li>
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<li>Then for the expenses that cannot be written off of the US government taxes over 40% of what's left. </li>
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Then on top of all that I sit here this morning after literally hundreds of hours programming and spending nearly five months of my entire evenings scanning, cleaning and preparing documents you suggest to me that "For that amount of money, I'd rather just mail you a 1 Terabyte hard drive, you can copy everything to it and them mail it back to me, it would be cheaper." REALLY, DID HE REALLY JUST SAY THAT?

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A toll booth system

seems more than fair to me. You go through when you want and actually this way Robert has provided a cafeteria style system where you only take what you want and leave the rest so the the bandwidth is not taxed with duplicate downloads to people who dont' want or would not use the information. I don't want scads of Hoover stuff on my hard-drive (sorry Fred) I would never read it. Why duplicate all that.

Great Idea looks like a good execution to me!
We're not here to make things cheaper, easier! We're here to enjoy an enthusiasm for a hobby. Robert has provided a nice playground for us all. When I see more of you working to restore machines and put up doctrine then I'll sit up and take notice of your wingeing (Australian for Complaining)
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Jetcone

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Sounds like a wonderful service

however the glitch to me seems to be the limited amount of time - 3 days - that a document would be available to download and the difficulty of knowing what is, or was, available, unless there is some kind of online index to the total library of documents that will ultimately be digitally stored and a way to access a document that has already had it's exposure. This kind of thing is not unusual for car literature. For example, the packardinfo.com website, run by one guy and voluntary contributions, has all the old brochures and service bulletins and manuals for Packard 1901-1956 donated for scanning by members available at all times for free. The need for compensation for time & resources is perfectly understandable, though, and it seems likely that usage, and the concomitant fees contributed, would be exponentially larger with access beyond 3 days. For example, if someone becomes aware of the site in 2 years, how might they access past documents or know what was available? Again, no idea if this is practical or even do-able, time or money-wise, given limited knowledge of servers &c being my background is in biochemistry, not IT, so if not feasible or even sensible, apologies in advance. Making these historical pieces accessible is incredibly important, many thanks for coming up with the idea!
 
Wow, Robert, this will be fabulous!!! I have always wanted to see more of the sales brochures, and there are no books out there that show these... it will make this site an even more valuable and fun resource! And I only have a handful of brochures myself, stoves and fridges, but I'll try to take a photo and send that to you for consideration... as for scanning myself, don't worry, all of what you do is WAY over my computer skills! Thanks thanks thanks!
 
I CAN HARLDY WAIT !!!!

I'll send you the 58 Easy Spin manual we talked about yesterday. Darrel's mailing it back to me today.

 

THANK YOU, ROBERT

 

 

PS: The Frigi icon is so cool. Were you torn between that and the 49 GE?
 
Robert Truly bless your heart, I do know the hard work ... I had to sit in an office because all the crap was heavy and very Primitive I would scan at work and then go out on my boat with a laptop and paint shop pro them out there ... I too have burned out scanners that made me laugh

Both of you guys are just working so hard to better and better the site and keep it civil.

Thank you

Philippe
 
Thanks to everyone for your kind words and support.

PS: The Frigi icon is so cool. Were you torn between that and the 49 GE?
Thanks Mike, no I was looking for a picture of a dispenser of some sort and during my scanning I found one that fit. The logo is still a work in progress, although I think is pretty good now. The "Daily Doctrine" font was literally done by cutting out individual letters from headings in a 1960s Frigidaire owners manual and the Dispenser font is of course one of the main fonts I use on the site.

What I really had a problem with was figuring out what to name the thing. I knew I wanted Daily in it and I wanted a washer term so I came up with Dispenser. What I couldn't figure out was what to call the stuff. I came up with Daily Library Dispenser and Daily Reading Dispenser, but I didn't think those flow very well. Then Fred mentioned "Doctrine" like Jetcone Jon uses in a cute way to describe vintage service manuals and I thought that's perfect, yay Fred. That's how the name was born.
 
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I think the issue you have with B&W Pdfs is the quality of the stuff going in.  I expect the stuff Robert presents will be nothing short of perfect.  I've done a small amount of scanning and I know how difficult it is to get everything correct, no crooked scans, proper lighting, watching for bleed through from the other side, airbrushing out flaws and creases and on and on.

 

As Robert stated he is creating archival quality stuff, and as all can see from the care he put into developing and writing the code for this website he is very meticulous.  So don't discount the quality of the product....
 
To the Hard Working Robert

Robert,

I apologize if I offended you.

I can understand that co-locating servers isn't for everyone, especially if you don't really have an IT infrastructure background. (I don't know what your background is, so I apologize if you do, you sound like you could work in the IT industry as a developer.)

I know it's a moot option to discuss, but I do feel a little hurt that you think I would just ship you a bunch of junk to run the site on. I didn't have any other place to store it right now, otherwise it would be in my basement instead.

As you know, there are many other solutions out there which are much more cost effective and have better value for the money than the one which you are using now. I'll be glad to help you find them when the time is right.

I do highly appreciate that you've sunk so much time and money into this. For that, I would like to let you know I'm very grateful.

My comment about the 1 terabyte drive was supposed to be taken in a facetious manner. I apologize for the misunderstanding. I did not mean it as an insult, a sign of disrespect or a show of a lack of appreciation for the hard work you've done so far. If you wanted $2000 for that collection for example, I'd understand. You don't need to justify that as I understand your time is just as valuable as mine.

If you don't want to take my advice, I can understand and respect that. However, I would like to offer my help, should you ever need it.

You know, I've re-edited this post a few times now.. Even though I can build web servers in my sleep, I realize I sound like a mechanic who wonders why on Earth anyone would pay for repairs on their car. This is what hosted web services are like to me.

Robert, when you want to go down this road again, feel free to start asking me questions. I wouldn't mind spending a few hours building up a virtual server for you and teaching you how to maintain it. It's not as painful or as time consuming as you think it may be, once all of the initial work has been done. [this post was last edited: 3/23/2012-06:03]
 
Hi Qualin, thank you for your apology and I appologize as well.  Sometimes the written word is hard to interpert the tone of how someone is presenting something, and it appears I misunderstood you.
 
I appreciate your further explanation of what co-locating servers means. At some point in the future when I'm a little less busy the extra work might be something I'll consider. Right now managed VPS hosting services is my only and best option. But in the future I will certainly contact you for further information if I decided to go the co-locating route.

Thank you again!
 

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