It's not breaking the law? Well, crap! That takes all the fun out of my "smuggling-it-in-from-South Dakota" plan. Guess I can return those 10,000 empty gel caps I ordered off the internet.
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Has anyone tried boosting non-phospate DW detergent w/STTP
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If you live in an area with a lot of fresh water lakes and a lot of summer rain, then it may well be that residential use of phosphated laundry and possibly also DW detergent is banned.
As I recall, some areas just don't ban the sale, they ban the use of phosphated cleaners.
I don't happen to agree completely with the science behind these bans, as focusing just on phosphate can let worse pollutants slip through (like excess nitrogen from pig farm waste, for example).
As I recall, some areas just don't ban the sale, they ban the use of phosphated cleaners.
I don't happen to agree completely with the science behind these bans, as focusing just on phosphate can let worse pollutants slip through (like excess nitrogen from pig farm waste, for example).
Is STTP "Sodium Tripolyphosphate" at the Chemistry Store? Greg gave me some a while back and I liked it, but I've never ordered it. A quarter cup of it made the wash water really slippery!
Yes.
TCS sells STPP, but often one can find it elsewhere at better prices. A 5lb pail tends to last one over a year or two.
TCS sells STPP, but often one can find it elsewhere at better prices. A 5lb pail tends to last one over a year or two.
Well, as Minnesota is the "Land of 10,000 Lakes" we tend to be first-in-line for the phosphate bans. And I think (I'll have to check on this) both the sale and the use of phosphates (in laundry detergents) is verboten here.
Full disclosure: As for having 10,000 lakes, some of them are very small; like you might mistake one for a pond, except that it has a sign and a name, LOL.
Oh, and Happy Labor Day, to everyone except Launderess! You, my dear, get an extra vowel in yours: Happy Labour Day!!
Full disclosure: As for having 10,000 lakes, some of them are very small; like you might mistake one for a pond, except that it has a sign and a name, LOL.
Oh, and Happy Labor Day, to everyone except Launderess! You, my dear, get an extra vowel in yours: Happy Labour Day!!
I got bulk quantities of technical grade STPP at a local chemical warehouse. They also make their own phosphated detergent, albeit high sudsing (but that was about 10 years ago that I checked). I have a large supply which I keep in the original 50 lb sacks in moisture resistant plastic storage bins in a dry place. I'm not sure I'll ever run out... the stuff may go bad before I do... lol... Anyway, I think I paid between about $1 /lb for the stuff.
It should be available at a chemical supply warehouse even in Minnesota, you'd just have to talk them into selling you some, and there would probably be a 50 lb minimum. It's used in lots of processed foods, although that would be food grade and probably more expensive than technical grade.
Check your local laws regarding residential use of phosphates in laundry/dishwashing before trying it at home.
It should be available at a chemical supply warehouse even in Minnesota, you'd just have to talk them into selling you some, and there would probably be a 50 lb minimum. It's used in lots of processed foods, although that would be food grade and probably more expensive than technical grade.
Check your local laws regarding residential use of phosphates in laundry/dishwashing before trying it at home.
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~Garden dirt, used motor oil, metal shavings, yeah.
*LOL* OK NOW I HAVE TO BUST CHOPS!
To all the str8 men and "ankle-grabbers" out there:
NOW HEAR THIS- washing a dish [by hand] will NOT make your winky fall off, or make you turn into a raving bottom (feeder). I promise.
a real man dosn't have to prove anything to anyone, including himself!
(Tip-toes to the door, quietly, before crowd gathers mouldy rotten tomatoes to fling and fires-up torches!)
*LOL* OK NOW I HAVE TO BUST CHOPS!
To all the str8 men and "ankle-grabbers" out there:
NOW HEAR THIS- washing a dish [by hand] will NOT make your winky fall off, or make you turn into a raving bottom (feeder). I promise.
a real man dosn't have to prove anything to anyone, including himself!
(Tip-toes to the door, quietly, before crowd gathers mouldy rotten tomatoes to fling and fires-up torches!)
Oh boy!
I am straight and I wash all my dishes by hand. My "winky" is quite intact, but not having a dishwasher has really soured my perspective on dishes. I HATE HAND WASHING DISHES!!!! I don't need to prove anything by having a dishwasher other than to prove that I have figured out a way to better spend my time.
Ripe tomatoes would be at the ready, but I have to go wash more d@#n dishes!
Dave
I am straight and I wash all my dishes by hand. My "winky" is quite intact, but not having a dishwasher has really soured my perspective on dishes. I HATE HAND WASHING DISHES!!!! I don't need to prove anything by having a dishwasher other than to prove that I have figured out a way to better spend my time.
Ripe tomatoes would be at the ready, but I have to go wash more d@#n dishes!
Dave
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I add 1/2 a teaspoon of STPP to the two detergent cups and my dishes come out a lot better. I am so tired of the anti phosphate movement.
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Togs,
I don't associate hand washing dishes with effeminacy.
I just hate washing dishes by hand. Always have, always will.
Plus, they never really get as squeaky clean as a good, properly loaded and dosed dishwasher can get them. Handwashing tends to leave a film of grease over everything.
I don't associate hand washing dishes with effeminacy.
I just hate washing dishes by hand. Always have, always will.
Plus, they never really get as squeaky clean as a good, properly loaded and dosed dishwasher can get them. Handwashing tends to leave a film of grease over everything.
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Good points everyone. I love an automatic DW-er's ability to degrease!
Makes me a litle nuts when some guys I know won't wash by hand say a large knife (thereby scoring the racks and causing rust) or tall champagne flutes and other odd space-hogging (in the DW) pieces.
I'm not one for total Bob-loads, but I tend to like my machine rather full before expending resources by running it!
Makes me a litle nuts when some guys I know won't wash by hand say a large knife (thereby scoring the racks and causing rust) or tall champagne flutes and other odd space-hogging (in the DW) pieces.
I'm not one for total Bob-loads, but I tend to like my machine rather full before expending resources by running it!
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I've had good results in the past with Wal Mart dishwasher detergent until last week...new formula with no phosphates. It's awful! I had to go out and buy Finish to rewash the load.
I make an exception for ALL my cutting knives. None of them go into the dishwasher. It's bad for them, as well as the potential for damage to the dishwasher racks that you pointed out.
The high heat of a modern dishwasher (the Bosch can heat to 161F) will dull the edge on a good knife. Additionally, the heat can separate the handle from the tang, or at least warp the handle. I also handwash most pots and pans. They either take up too much room in the DW or they have features that would be damaged by the DW process.
The high heat of a modern dishwasher (the Bosch can heat to 161F) will dull the edge on a good knife. Additionally, the heat can separate the handle from the tang, or at least warp the handle. I also handwash most pots and pans. They either take up too much room in the DW or they have features that would be damaged by the DW process.
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I was trying to say, when one HAS a DW and NEVER even one single item is hand-washed, then perhaps there is a fear of loss of appendage.............
Of course I'm more joking than anything else. But, I have seen so many DW- users attempt to put stemmed glasses in horizontally. Occasioanlly I mention that a nice chunk of glass in the pump can kill a machine faster than sabotage.
Of course I'm more joking than anything else. But, I have seen so many DW- users attempt to put stemmed glasses in horizontally. Occasioanlly I mention that a nice chunk of glass in the pump can kill a machine faster than sabotage.
Thank you, westyslantfront
When you say something, I've learned to listen. And so in agreement with you about the anti-phosphate movement. It seems like another feel-good issue that won't accomplish anyhting useful for the environment but will make our lives a little more difficult.
When you say something, I've learned to listen. And so in agreement with you about the anti-phosphate movement. It seems like another feel-good issue that won't accomplish anyhting useful for the environment but will make our lives a little more difficult.
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plain TSP
Does anybody know is plain tsp works in dishwasher or washing machines. At Ace hardware they sell "lundmark tsp". The employee says it's the real thing, because it does not say "substitute" on the label. I bought some and it makes no difference in the washer. I am either using too little or it is fake. Do they only sell tspp at chemical supply stores? The water at my house is so hard that a can put Palmolive in the dishwasher and absolutely no suds will appear.
Does anybody know is plain tsp works in dishwasher or washing machines. At Ace hardware they sell "lundmark tsp". The employee says it's the real thing, because it does not say "substitute" on the label. I bought some and it makes no difference in the washer. I am either using too little or it is fake. Do they only sell tspp at chemical supply stores? The water at my house is so hard that a can put Palmolive in the dishwasher and absolutely no suds will appear.
I don't know the answer about TSP.
However, suds should not be appearing in your dishwasher; they can interfere with cleaning. DW detergents are formulated that way on purpose.
However, suds should not be appearing in your dishwasher; they can interfere with cleaning. DW detergents are formulated that way on purpose.
Probably you'll have to go to a chemical supply house to get STPP.
TSP would not work very well in a washing machine. And with very hard water, it might cause problems with your dishwasher as well.
I would recommend adding about 30% by weight STPP to laundry or dishwasher detergent.
TSP would not work very well in a washing machine. And with very hard water, it might cause problems with your dishwasher as well.
I would recommend adding about 30% by weight STPP to laundry or dishwasher detergent.
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Thanks for the advice
Sometimes I use glass magic in the dishwasher. I started doing that because my kids saw me using hydrogen chloride in the dishwasher, and wanted to do the same (mommy does it). Glass Magic is 20% phosphate, 80% ???. At $5 a small box, its outrageous. I am glad to find out about tspp from this thread. I think it would be better on the environment to use a little tspp, then to use 3X detergent and twice to water to get the dishes clean. In the desert algae buildup is not a problem, conserving water is.
Sometimes I use glass magic in the dishwasher. I started doing that because my kids saw me using hydrogen chloride in the dishwasher, and wanted to do the same (mommy does it). Glass Magic is 20% phosphate, 80% ???. At $5 a small box, its outrageous. I am glad to find out about tspp from this thread. I think it would be better on the environment to use a little tspp, then to use 3X detergent and twice to water to get the dishes clean. In the desert algae buildup is not a problem, conserving water is.
