HE detergents....

[yogitunes]

Do you guys really buy and use HE detergents for your FL or HE machines?.......

I have, and still had suds in the machine, didn't notice a difference, unless I used the Frigidaire with the shot glass of water....

When I got my first Neptunes in 98, I used Tide Liq when it came in the 200 ounce container, and only cut it in half........and thats basically what I do with all regular detergents......never had a rinsing problem, or oversudsing, unless I did it on purpose.....why pay the extra money?

probably the only one without suds ever is the SearsUP or Kirkland powder......you could add 10 scoops, and never have suds or rinsing problems...

 

[henry200]

I never had a sudsing problem with any of the liquid HE detergents I've tried but recently I bought a box of powdered Tide HE and with as little as 1/4 dose plus using the extra rinse option there is a little remnant of suds in the door boot and a faint hint of the detergent scent in the clothes.  My washer is a Whirlpool Duet ca. 2009.

 

The only non-HE detergent I've used in this machine is a small amount (maybe 2 tsp) of Woolite to wash a load of wool sweaters.  With the extra rinse option there is no trace of suds left.

 

I always wash in warm or hot water.  Cold water here is too cold to dissolve any detergent. 

 

[kqkenmore]

The only thing is that if you get a new washer that is HE then if you do not use the HE detergent then it will void the warrenty.

 

[mrwash]

I wrote a mail to Gain that they've brought out so nice smelling new detergents but actually can't use them as they all are NOT HE. *rant*

 

[rp2813]

I use HE in my Affinity and used it in the Duet that we included in the sale of our previous home.  With both machines I have experienced sudsing issues, but with the Duet it was primarily in early loads of laundry that had been previously processed through the TL '97 Amana-from-hell that couldn't rinse its way out of a paper bag.

 

So far, the worst so-called HE liquid I've used is Wisk.  No matter how little of it is added, the suds accumulate right away.  It makes me wonder if Wisk just slapped HE labeling on their regular stuff.

 

[pulsator]

I'm not much of a suds person...

... As a result, I don't use anything but HE detergent.

 

In my modern FL washers and TL washers, I use Tide Pods, Tide CW HE (though I never wash in cold, I just like the scent), or Era HE. In my vintage machines, I use Tide HE powder.

 

I like being able to see the clothes during the wash moving in the TL washers, so the suds have to go! It's also been my experience that HE detergents seem to rinse out better.

 

[passatdoc]

I use Tide or Gain HE powder as the daily driver. On trips to Europe, I bring back packets of Persil or Ariel, and several European friends bring me packets when they come to visit, so the work/dress clothes get the Euro detergent, while basic cottons/linens/towels get the Gain or Tide HE powder.

I use a coffee scoop (30 ml or 2 tbsp) to dose detergent. I never use more than 2 tsp (full scoop or 30 ml), and may use half a scoop (1 tsp or 15 ml) for small loads. Everything comes out clean, no sudsing problems, and detergent boxes last forever. We had fairly hard water here, I don't know what would happen with a soft water situation. I use a bit of 20 Mule Team Borax in most washes as a booster (clothes seem to rinse out cleaner and suds-free with it).

Laundress, who mostly uses a Miele FL, has posted about using 1 tbsp (or at most 2 tbsp) of Persil or other detergent and I think she's right, my experiences are the same.

 

[passatdoc]

@mrwash

Wird Gain in der BRD verkauft?

 

[tomturbomatic]

I would posit that the suds seen after switching from Tide liquid HE to the powder formula were the builders from the liquid formula that were still present foaming in the presence of the powder formula. It's those citrates they use in the liquids that keep foaming in the rinse water. They probably acted like steroids for the moderate amount of suds produced by the powder.

Martin, how can you really tell what's going on in those no window Neppies? Probably with large loads, you can get away with using half the amount of regular formulas.

 

[foraloysius]

Using half the amount of detergent is ok as long as you don't use a frontloader with a heater when you have hard water. In a frontloader with a heater you need to use enough detergent so the water is softened enough. when you don't use enough, you might get more limescale in the machine, especially on the heater, which will make the heater break down sooner.

 

[arbilab]

Growing up with Westys, also grew up with CS (controlled suds) All. We bought 25# drums of the stuff.

When I switched to FL from my 1970s Tag I had standard detergent I wasn't going to throw away. The extra suds can fill the space between drums and inhibit spin. But after 5 rinses suds were gone. Once I ran out of standard I switched to HE and stuck with it.

 

[yogitunes]

Tom......now you know I have spent hours with that door open watching that action of the Neptunes, and now with the make-shift demo window, I am watching it again......

but also, both Frigidaires have windows.....not hard to mis whats going on inside.....

before HE even came out, when I had a TallTumbler, I used to go to PathMark, and get their five gallon bucket of Controlled Suds, no suds no matter how much you put in there......they always take the good stuff off the market....

 

[mrb627]

Seems Like...

American HE Detergents are formulated to foam out of control at temperatures at or above 120. Perhaps another conspiracy to ween Americans from washing in hot water.

Malcolm

 

[mrb627]

YOGI...

How about a video of that demo door on your Neptune...

Malcolm

 

[tomturbomatic]

Powder Tide HE does not foam out of control at temps up to 190F. My observations might have something to do with the fact that the Mieles use minimal water in the wash portion of the cycle so there is not a lot of water to be aerated into suds by the wash action. I found liquids to be very unreliable at higher temps years ago when I tried them in that application.

 

[sudsmaster]

When I got my Neptune 7500 set in 2000, the only HE detergent I could find was liquid Wisk. I was underwhelmed with its performance. First, the sickening odor of the fragrance over-added. Then the high suds level when even 1/2 the recommended dose was added. Third, the poor cleaning performance no matter what.

I soon graduated to Sears HE powder and found much better results. It got even better when I finally figured out that it was STPP that was the missing ingredient from modern laundry detergents.

I wonder, however, what specific Kirkland powder Yogi has been using. There are several from which to choose: the stuff in the cardboard boxes, the stuff in the round buckets, and the stuff in the rectangular buckets. All the types I've tried suds too much, except I haven't yet tried the stuff in the rectangular bucket. Is this the one that people are claiming is so low sudsing?

 

[powerfin64]

Rich

What HE detergent(s) are you using now?

 

[retro-man]

I have been using powdered tide w/bleach for 10-15 years in two different front loaders. the 1st being one of the original neptunes and now whirpool duet. never a problem with oversudzing or rinsing. I use about 2 tablespoons per load. No buildup inside the tub or scale anywhere. I did have a little over suds problem a couple of weeks ago. I washed a large load of white towels with tide and added oxy clean to its own compartment. saniwash with steam. suds were up to 2/3 of the window. hit cancel and drain then went into heavy wash with no detergent. No balking by the machine. It just went on it merry way through the cycle and no suds at the end. I think it is just a gimic by the manufactures.
Jon

 

[mrwash]

@ PassatDoc

No it is not sold over here. But as a flight attendant I am frequently flying to the US and I do visit the supermarkets over here. So I know most of the Gain detergents are not HE. I would like to buy the Gain Apple MangoTango HE somewhere but all the stores I've seen so far just have the regular version. I just do have a bottle of regular Gain liquid und regular fabric softener. I wanted to buy some of the HE Island Fresh but I just found massive bottles that would be too heavy to carry them along. So I am always looking for big grocery stores as the detergent isles are bigger there and the chance to find the desired product is higher.