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hello to all sorry the article is in french but i would like to know everyone toughs on this news article that was publish back in 2015 i have translated the article to english with google translate but would like your toughs on the news article

The industry has organized itself so that repair often costs more than replacing the product, denounces the dean of repairers in Quebec.

Gisèle Côté’s washer was starting to get noisy and smell hot after a decade of service. Claude Couture, the dean of appliance repairers in Quebec with nearly 50 years of experience, came to examine the device.

Welded washers

His verdict is classic. The rod holding the tank in place should be replaced, as should the bearings. His estimate: more than $ 1,000, or $ 90 of labor, but an impressive $ 943 of parts.

“15 years ago, it would have cost him less than $ 400. She would have had it fixed, "said the 72-year-old.

The difference from the old days is that most components of clothes washers are now welded and not screwed on. So, no matter which part breaks, you have to change everything. Here, the shaft and the basket as well as the tank and the bearings come together.

Gisèle Côté paid the $ 50 for Claude Couture's trip, but will buy a brand new washer that will cost a few hundred dollars less than repairing her old machine.

"Today, a quarter of my clients make this decision. And I understand them, ”he says.

Disposable culture

"The industry has moved in the wrong direction. We created a generation of disposable devices, "plague Claude Couture.

But why weld the parts instead of screwing them? Because it is easier and cheaper to assemble in the factory, answers Claude Couture.

And customers benefit from the savings at the time of purchase. But in the long run, the consumer loses, since his washer will break and be replaced on average after seven years, instead of 15 before.

Couture even suspects that manufacturers are doing it on purpose to force consumers to change their devices more often.

The Journal asked the giants Whirlpool, LG, Samsung and Miele to explain themselves. None called Le Journal two days after the request.

Twenty years ago, Mr. Couture generally charged less than $ 100 for minor repairs to home appliances. Now, because of the cost of the parts, his bill almost always exceeds $ 200.

The devices last less, as does the parts warranty, in many cases increased from 10 years to a year.

"About 20% of all the complaints we receive are about warranties," says Charles Tanguay, from the Office of Consumer Protection.

In short, it is better to keep your old appliances for a long time, advises Claude Couture. Last week, he even repaired a washer purchased in 1965, when he started working as an appliance repairer.

7: The average number of years a washer has lived. It’s half as much as those made about 20 years ago.
37: The number of the section of the Consumer Protection Act which says that a good must be able to serve "for a reasonable period of time", regardless of whether the warranty has expired. So if it's no longer guaranteed, it may still be.


WHAT'S BREAKING?
Claude Couture sums up what most often requires repair.

Fridge

The new greener freon is also more corrosive. Leaks from gnawed pipes are common.

Oven

Electronic components. "It could all be simplified. We don't use all of these functions, "he says.

washer

The bearings. “They are welded to the tank, so everything has to be replaced. It costs more. ”

dryer

"This is what breaks down less often. Sometimes the too long return air hose overheats. ”

Dishwasher

The pumps. "The capacity of the dishwashers is greater, but the pumps are smaller, so they are overloaded."


THE VICTORIES OF DAVID C. GOLIATH
Manufacturers and retailers sometimes show their customers colors of all colors. Here are four stories from a washerwoman where the ears were rinsed.

Unknown error code

When the washer started spinning badly and an error code was displayed, Rigaud's couple called its manufacturer. His answer: the error code is not mentioned in his manual, so there is nothing he can do for them! Worse: since they didn't buy an extended warranty, he refuses to suggest a repairer. Incomplete answers that will ultimately cost him more than $ 2,500 since the unlucky customers also had problems with their fridge, bought at the same time.

"Change it then!" "

A repairer who suggests not to repair can be surprising. However, this is what a Granby employee did, embarrassed to bill his client again more than $ 300 for a washer paid $ 549 less than two years ago. The manufacturer did not want to pay the repair bill, so he ended up in court. In May, a judge awarded the client $ 935 ($ 500
from the journal the montreal
 
After a long and pointless search for a new washer I gave up. The Speed Queen du jour TC5 is over $2000 cdn. with taxes and very hard to find. After an interesting chat with the store owner where I have bought a couple of Maytag appliances yesterday I came away with this. He said all of the new washers are garbage, even the stuff he sells. I asked about the Maytag commercial that everyone raves about. He carries it but discourages his customers from buying it. He has installed many of these in institutional settings like day cares and seniors residences and they are not good. He said the electronic control boards cause him the most grief but the transmission and motors are also problematic. Not worth the almost $1600 cdn. He also mentioned that these machines are carried by every store that sells Maytag, meaning they are not commercial grade, just expensive. His parting advice was as follows. If you need a washer try to find an old rebuild. If you want new, get an energy efficient front load, it might last 5-6 years and the saving in power and especially water over the old models could offset the cost of replacing it sooner than later. I am going to run the old DD until it dies and then I'll get a cheap front load.
 
rosie

i know of a store in my area that still sell some old direct drive but that would mean transporting it yourself if you own a picup or can attach a trailer to your vehicle here the link https://www.econopluselectromenagers.com/copy-of-cuisinieres-blanche-1 and you also have the option to have your current washer repaired witch will make it last for years as well
 
We have a couple of these second hand stores around here. It's amazing the money they are getting for 15+ year old machines. One guy wanted $400 for a 30 year old Maytag, probably what it cost new, or close to it. On the negative side it is pretty sad that these old machines are still in demand and at a premium price when you consider what electricity and water hogs they were, and still are, but on the positive side it's good that these machines can be effectively recycled and used for many more years. You don't see any 4-5 year old machine commanding any where near the demand or price these antiques are getting. The guy with the Maytag told me that an entire industry has grown in Toronto where old machines are brought back to life because so many people have had it with the new machines that break down and need to be replaced so often. He offered me $150 for my Inglis DD sight unseen. I think it's time government stepped in and started regulating the industry. If an appliance fails before say 10 years the manufacturer should refund some of the money paid, on a pro rated scale, and pay for the disposal of the unit. Land fills are overloaded and disposal costs for local government and us, through taxes and fees, are climbing ever since asian countries, where a lot of this garbage originates, stopped taking North American electronics and the like for recycling.
 
rosie

if you would of known my grandmother she hasd an old push to start 3 cycle inglis liberator that she replace in 1988 because it was leaking but it was still good thw washer would be near 50 today she also had a vintage dryer that lasted her 40 years washer she replace in 1988 then in 2008 for an older direct drive washer dryer in 2009
 
Washers lasted longer and were built better for a couple of reasons. The guts of the machines were heavy duty, not so much by design but because of the components that were available at the time. Plastic parts were kept to a minimum because plastic does not hold up to the demands of heavy, moving machinery. They were built with steel, iron and brass, weighed a ton because a full wash with 30-40 gallons and the machine could weigh 400 lbs. or more. But more importantly washers and other appliance cost a lot of money, in relation to a family income. Washers might cost upwards of 2 months pay in the 50's and 60's. They had better last a long time, trouble free, or there would have been hell to pay for the dealer and manufacturer. Our parents and grandparents would not put up with this disposable mentality we now live through. They were the generations faced with much harder times and money wasn't pissed away. Also they paid cash for most everything because credit was virtually non existent. Dropping $500 0r $600 for a washer back then would be like paying $1500-$2000 today. No small sum. We, as a society have embraced a throw away culture and in doing so we must keep the consume in consumer going or it all comes apart. I blame globalization which cheapened everything and seems to devour everything in its path.
 
I see no reason whatsoever that todays washers could not be as durable as the older ones. Indeed if they were as durable and energy efficient, everyone would win. The consumer would get a good product that saves money on energy and the planet would get a break on resources, over production and landfill. It is doable. The machines would cost maybe 50%-100% more but would last 3 or 4 times longer. We can do it with cars, televisions, dryers, stoves and many other products. This is a cynical choice made by the 3 biggest global manufacturers of these appliances that need to smarten up, or be forced to through strict regulation. If one of these companies chose to build a top notch product that lasted they would soon dominate the market. Miele can do it but their washers cost $2000, are too small for N.America and require too much specialization, not user friendly. Now if they built a big front load for say $1500, boom, they win.
 
I think the problem would be convincing today's buyers that that kind of longevity is even beneficial in the first place.

We have a whole generation that has grown up with such rapid technological progress - that to buy something to hold onto for so long is legitimately a foreign concept.

Would today's teenagers go for 1970s cars? No, because they are dramatically less safe as well as less efficient. Would today's young adults go for cell phones from 10 years ago? No, because they are positively ancient in terms of features, let alone security. The same way with houses, furnace and air conditioners, recreation equipment, tools, furniture, etc. Appliances, likewise, the marketing has pounded in the concept that your old stuff is inefficient and killing the planet, and you should feel guilty to continue using it.

There are some environmental tradeoffs, or credit if you will, for keeping old things out of the landfill and avoiding the impacts of producing new. But to a generation that has, for everything else, been told that that is more than covered by improved efficiency, that is a difficult mentality to break - You would have to PROVE that that longevity is worth the costs and tradeoffs.
 
Reply #7

Miele did create a washer that was bigger. I believe it was 3.7 cu ft.. however they didn’t sell enough of them. I think they were $1400 10 years ago.

Tom
 
I didn't realize that the youngsters were so keen to get the latest and best appliances. That sounds very expensive. I would hesitate to equate a cell phone upgrade with upgrading your washer. I think most people are looking for 2 things from a washer after purchase. Does it clean, does it work . A manufacturer that guaranteed that, would clean up. As for Miele. They build good machines but the sell them wrong for N. America. To buy one up here you need to find a distributor. You then are directed to the Miele website to complete the order. Added to the cost of the machine is $250 for installation (you get 2 year Warranty with that) and $90 delivery. That's $340. Where I live add 13% sales tax to that and the $1900 Miele machine costs $2513. A 32% markup disqualifies them from me ever buying one.
 
me when i bought 15 years ago the whirlpool duet set

15 years ago when my mom and i change to the whirlpool duet set we now have i check the following energuide for electric comsumption cycle use noise level since its on the second floor so far washer had 2 minor repairs that i could do myself change of plastic door latch that broke and front of detergent dispenser as for the dryer it only had 2 repairs as well major cleanup lint near heating element and termal fuse replacement but if because of cost i had to go back to an old direct drive topload or vintage machine i would look for inglis superbII direct drive washer (washer dryer set my mom and i had from 1993 to 2004) kenmore or kitchenaid even maytag performa ect
 
Regulation is probably the only way to force manufacturers to smarten up. The amount of e-waste is skyrocketing. Don't get me started on the pollution coming from SUV's and pick up trucks everyone seems to think they need. The disconnect is especially stark in North America. The political class, reacting to a small but vocal minority of voters, seems intent on burying their heads in the sand. Even if you don't buy the environmental angle on this it seems obvious that building garbage appliances is expensive and inefficient for all concerned.

 
 
I don't think the impetus to replace vs. repair is so much related to the interest in the latest-greatest washing machine or other appliance as it is with phones.  Moreso related to the cost of repair nowadays vs. replacement.  When a servicer charges $200 to $250 to replace a direct-drive motor coupler that costs $12 to $25 for the part . . . there's the factor in the equation.  There's also the angle that some parts are priced outrageously high, either due to actual production/warehousing costs, or due to manufacturers purposely pricing them high to discourage repair.
 
New durable repairable washing machines

C$2000 for a new speed queen top load classic series washer that will last 25 years or more for the average family is actually a better buy then A Maytag or whirlpool was 40 years ago.

 

Even better yet is the Speed Queen front load washer designed to be easily repaired even by its user and has an average life expectancy of 10 loads a week for over 40 years.

 

I support welding the plastic outer tub on cheap front load washer‘s, people buy them because they’re cheap look at all the people on this site that are buying LG because it’s the cheapest machine it should be built that way. Welding the tub together makes the machine more reliable and less costly to build. Nobody’s going to put new bearings in  $700 washer today anyway.

 

I remember all the crying 40 years ago and they started gluing motors together and they could no longer be repaired it was the best thing they ever did, it kept the cost of the appliance down and the cost of the motor down nobody was repairing motors anymore anyway.

 

John L.
 
Combo52

Speed Queen is no longer sold here. Huebsch is. Same machine with the older name. Something to do with Whirlpool Canada owning the Speed Queen name years ago. The closest dealer is 40 miles away. No service in this area. Not an option. I'll end up getting an LG front load only because they are cheap. I can get a wm3500 for $710 Cdn. That's really cheap. Most top loaders start at $650 and they are really badly built and energy hogs. Not an ideal scenario but that's how the market is now.
 
Energy efficient washers

I spotted this from a real product review site from Australia. It made me laugh out loud. Makes you wonder how they test these things when even Speed Queen admits it's new TC5 is shipped in eco mode, which they advise you never use.

https://www.choice.com.au/home-and-...les/the-least-water-efficient-washing-machine

It looks like it might be this model in North America, which CR reviews as not very good but an excellent water user. I guess their real world is not everyone else's real world when it comes to testing.

https://www.consumerreports.org/products/top-load-he-washer/samsung-wa52m7750av-388899/overview/

Imagine, 199 litres, or 51 US gallons or 44 Imperial gallons. My old DD uses less than that, and it kind of still works. It's all a crap shoot with this stuff.
 

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