Henckel Persil, Lever Persil, Ariel..... which? where?
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kenmoreguy89
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I meant to write hydrofluoric acid...Sorry.
I meant to write hydrofluoric acid...Sorry.
rolls_rapide
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For rust stains, you are supposed to use Citric Acid (lemon juice).
I would NOT be using Hydrofluoric Acid!!!
This is highly dangerous stuff. It even reacts with glass, apparently. There was an article years ago in some television programme, where mention was made of vehicle fires. Apparently, the heat of the flames is such that rubber hoses, which used fluorine in manufacture, formed this acid. Once on the human body, the only action was amputation of the affected limb.
I would NOT be using Hydrofluoric Acid!!!
This is highly dangerous stuff. It even reacts with glass, apparently. There was an article years ago in some television programme, where mention was made of vehicle fires. Apparently, the heat of the flames is such that rubber hoses, which used fluorine in manufacture, formed this acid. Once on the human body, the only action was amputation of the affected limb.
Hmmm...
About now is the time we should see the post about how "wonderful" cold water washing is:
Perhaps you should try it, it gets all my stuff "perfectly clean!" And it saves energy. *Kidding*
If you have whites, bleach.
Colours or Whites: Oxy bleach at median temperature, the use the affected area is a curtain to sun bleach it.
I know you didn't want this - but desperate times call for desperate matters
About now is the time we should see the post about how "wonderful" cold water washing is:
Perhaps you should try it, it gets all my stuff "perfectly clean!" And it saves energy. *Kidding*
If you have whites, bleach.
Colours or Whites: Oxy bleach at median temperature, the use the affected area is a curtain to sun bleach it.
I know you didn't want this - but desperate times call for desperate matters
kenmoreguy89
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Rolls......, Rain is not dangerous, but a monsoon can kill you....
Citric acid is fresh water for rust stains like that, and the lemon juice has little concentrations of it, for what concerns dangerousnees of hydrofluoric, it's not like you are supposed to use it pure, any acid or alkaline stuff is potentially dangerous if pure, even cloridric acid you also find in limescale cleansers like viakal etc... if in bigger concentration will not remove limescale from your toilet, it will totally melt it, just think we use 90% solution in our company to make pure gold as it dissolves all metals except gold, also have you ever heard about mafia using it to dissolves bodies? Could you do that with Viakal???? LOL
But in fair concentration will get your bowl clean, and is safe any use for which domestic/cleaning is supposed to be used to...
Same is here, the product I linked is perfectly okay to be used on clothing and even colored ones, as you can read, but it's an acid and it is best to do not let it sit too much and you got to' flush it immediately from clothing, so you bettter alteady fill your machine before for the 2nd wash, the product has a concentration of 15% acid, if I remember correctly.
If it was not so, it would melt your item not only remove rust, sure is that it is a chemical, and you have to use precautions, ie use gloves if your skin is delicate, avoid stiffing it in your nose or drops to reach your eyes....etc...
Pretty much all things that a normal functioning adult would do, and like you do for any other chemical you use in your household...
Citric acid is fresh water for rust stains like that, and the lemon juice has little concentrations of it, for what concerns dangerousnees of hydrofluoric, it's not like you are supposed to use it pure, any acid or alkaline stuff is potentially dangerous if pure, even cloridric acid you also find in limescale cleansers like viakal etc... if in bigger concentration will not remove limescale from your toilet, it will totally melt it, just think we use 90% solution in our company to make pure gold as it dissolves all metals except gold, also have you ever heard about mafia using it to dissolves bodies? Could you do that with Viakal???? LOL
But in fair concentration will get your bowl clean, and is safe any use for which domestic/cleaning is supposed to be used to...
Same is here, the product I linked is perfectly okay to be used on clothing and even colored ones, as you can read, but it's an acid and it is best to do not let it sit too much and you got to' flush it immediately from clothing, so you bettter alteady fill your machine before for the 2nd wash, the product has a concentration of 15% acid, if I remember correctly.
If it was not so, it would melt your item not only remove rust, sure is that it is a chemical, and you have to use precautions, ie use gloves if your skin is delicate, avoid stiffing it in your nose or drops to reach your eyes....etc...
Pretty much all things that a normal functioning adult would do, and like you do for any other chemical you use in your household...
There is no bleach in Henkel Persil Color.
kenmoreguy89
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About Persil.....
Here a nice Timeline and confirm Louis statement.
http://www.henkel-cee.com/detergents-1850_8028_CEE_HTML.htm
Here a nice Timeline and confirm Louis statement.
http://www.henkel-cee.com/detergents-1850_8028_CEE_HTML.htm
kenmoreguy89
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The bleach is found in the universal product line.
kenmoreguy89
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The bleach is found in the universal product.
This is the persil timeline
http://www.henkel.com/laundry-1217.htm?redDotUID=0000000GHM&brand=0000000GH6¶m1=history
This is the persil timeline
http://www.henkel.com/laundry-1217.htm?redDotUID=0000000GHM&brand=0000000GH6¶m1=history
kenmoreguy89
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kenmoreguy89
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This should be right one, .it won't include completely it in the post for sone reasons.
http://www.henkel.com/laundry-1217.htm?redDotUID=0000000GHM&brand=0000000GH6¶m1=history
http://www.henkel.com/laundry-1217.htm?redDotUID=0000000GHM&brand=0000000GH6¶m1=history
arbilab
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Thanks all, getting a pretty good picture. I definitely let some of these stains go too long before acting upon them for 'normal' household chemistry to sort. I'll take that loss. Plenty of t-shirts, none of the 'collectible' ones are affected. I'm not going all retentive on the few remaining manchas. Think they will weaken with time.
Besides, I'm old. When someone asks "what's that on your shirt?" (they have) I just say it's blood, I have skin cancer. EVERYbody in this institution has SOMEthing. Not to be overly gruesome, but somebody dies here roughly every other month.
Besides, I'm old. When someone asks "what's that on your shirt?" (they have) I just say it's blood, I have skin cancer. EVERYbody in this institution has SOMEthing. Not to be overly gruesome, but somebody dies here roughly every other month.
kenmoreguy89
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Sorry to hear that, you keep trying with shirts and absolutely keep fighting the SOB!
If you really cannot get them clean with washing for some reasons.....
There are always those dry manual stain treatments that they use in commercial/dry cleaners laundries, like Carbona etc...
http://www.carbona.com/stain-devils-4-blood-and-dairy.html
If you really cannot get them clean with washing for some reasons.....
There are always those dry manual stain treatments that they use in commercial/dry cleaners laundries, like Carbona etc...
http://www.carbona.com/stain-devils-4-blood-and-dairy.html
mich
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For rust stains...
I personally recommend, trying to use "oxalic" acid, which can be found in bar keepers friend. It's gentle, but, it's the strongest chemical (that i know of) capable of removing rust.
Just make a paste of BKF & Water, and it should come out. I do hear vinegar can also work in a pinch.
I personally recommend, trying to use "oxalic" acid, which can be found in bar keepers friend. It's gentle, but, it's the strongest chemical (that i know of) capable of removing rust.
Just make a paste of BKF & Water, and it should come out. I do hear vinegar can also work in a pinch.
kenmoreguy89
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Yes, right, also oxalic acid works, it's another kind of acid usually found in liquid rust removers like products above.
But not sure how much this one safe is to use on colors, always went with the hydrofluoride.
I just came to see hydrofluoridic preparation is safe for colors, does not affect them so I stick with it, should give a try to oxalic on colors ro see reaction...
Any acid will work on iron, acetic, citric etc and so on, so they will work on minerals build up etc.... You just better choose which one works best for every specific use... Some works best on metals, others for minerals etc...
For light rust stains some folks use to put lemon juice or vinegar and cover with salt... but those are the kind of stains that I usually get out with the wash, for really heavy stains they does not work so great like products specific for rust like oxalic or hydrofluoridic can do...
But not sure how much this one safe is to use on colors, always went with the hydrofluoride.
I just came to see hydrofluoridic preparation is safe for colors, does not affect them so I stick with it, should give a try to oxalic on colors ro see reaction...
Any acid will work on iron, acetic, citric etc and so on, so they will work on minerals build up etc.... You just better choose which one works best for every specific use... Some works best on metals, others for minerals etc...
For light rust stains some folks use to put lemon juice or vinegar and cover with salt... but those are the kind of stains that I usually get out with the wash, for really heavy stains they does not work so great like products specific for rust like oxalic or hydrofluoridic can do...
