We shift gears this week to see what the good folks at Hobart have been working on. Turns out, they've corrected the sins of the model 19 with the new 20-series lineup. And what better place to debut them, than the moon!
Hobart Presents: The KitchenAid Energy Saver V Dishwashers - 16mm Film
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phillymatt53
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Thanks!
Quite an interesting video for sure!
I'm curious though, about your mention of the "sins" of the model 19.
I'd like more information about that from you, please.
I own a Kitchenaid-Hobart Energy Saver IV model KDC-19, a simple machine, which only has a rotary timer, and 2 pushbutton cycles- Normal Wash, and Rinse Hold.
Other than a relatively simple repair to a minor hose leak issue a while back, the machine's always done an impressive job of cleaning my dishes, utensils, and pots.
Thanks again for that video.
The big sin was eliminating the heated dry cycle and claiming it was for energy saving purposes (rather than offer the user a choice). Customer feedback was swift, and that feature was reinstated on the 20's.
Personally, I rarely use the heater on my GE, but I could understand why someone looking to "upgrade" from an earlier model would be a bit peeved; perhaps even switch to the competition.
Personally, I rarely use the heater on my GE, but I could understand why someone looking to "upgrade" from an earlier model would be a bit peeved; perhaps even switch to the competition.
phillymatt53
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Thanks for that info.
Yes, my KDC-19 uses a simple air blower at the end of cycle.
However, it's not an issue with me, because I load things properly, insuring that everything is mounted to drain properly without pooling.
For instance, glasses, cups, pot lids, etc., are all tilted to keep water from pooling up on their surfaces, which would otherwise remain wet upon opening the door.
It's common sense, something lacking these days, and a tidbit of water drops still on something isn't enough to bother me.
The other fact is that after the full cycle and final Sani Rinse, the interior's heated up enough to create that warm air circulation enough to accomplish drying.
Well this is Kitchen Aid asking the world:
Can your dishwasher do this?
How is it that this brand did not corner the market?
There are lots of features, not to mention the best washing, that outshine other makes, in my opinion...
And what year exactly when was this video actually made?
Corey, thank you for sharing!
-- Dave
Can your dishwasher do this?
How is it that this brand did not corner the market?
There are lots of features, not to mention the best washing, that outshine other makes, in my opinion...
And what year exactly when was this video actually made?
Corey, thank you for sharing!
-- Dave
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KDS-20 was the first dishwasher my family got to experience. Moved into a 1970 home in 1985 and installed in the kitchen was a fairly new KDS-20 along with a matching Kitchenaid disposer with the Wham-Jam feature. Both of them were nothing but a pleasure to use!
I recognize most of the production library music in this film but can only name one tune off the top of my head.
I recognize most of the production library music in this film but can only name one tune off the top of my head.
Thanks Cory, another great video!!! lol this is my favorite part of that video 
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Thanks Cory, another great video!!! lol this is my favorite part of that video
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LOL. Can you imagine being in the studio as they were swinging these things around? 1:40 cracks me up with the visible cables.
150 pounds of true American steel and porcelain from Troy, OH. Mass x Acceleration = Force, watch your heads
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Wonder how many of the guys in advertising were fans of Japanese monster movies.Rodan comes to mind..lol. Leaves a supersonic dust bowl as it flies overhead....lol .... Thank you Corey for these. This is great ! 
.... Thank you Corey for these. This is great ! No heat dry was standard on all models in the 19 series. To facilitate better moisture removal, they beefed up the fan and airflow CFM's. It more than satisfies my expectations but there are some who will go into Ted Bundy mode finding a drop of water on a dish.
Final Sani rinse went down from 180F in the 18 to 150F in the 19 and back up to 165F in the 20.
I believe there were cycle changes too but I haven't used a 20 in forever so I can't reference the changes off the top of my head.
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phillymatt53
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I can easily feel the warm air blowing against my legs out of that spot between the bottom of the door and the service panel if I'm wearing shorts, and standing in front of the DW to access the microwave on the counter above it.
As for that "drop of water" you mentioned... and that re-install of heated drying....
That seems like the company actually listened to the consumer back then.
Including any customers with their petty complaints about leftover water on dishes - likely due to not loading them properly.
I've noticed that during that drying period the blower will pause a few times, and that the motor will run once more for draining any settled water.
Imagine that, providing customers with features they want. Today, companies get off on doing the exact opposite so they can laugh in your face about it.....then significantly raise the price on a less featured, cheaper built, shorter lasting POS.
phillymatt53
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Dan, I've mentioned many times over the years to friends, online, etc., about Corporate Greed and corruption, and how it's been an annoying and costly thorn on the consumer's butt.
This extends into virtually every sector of our world, including the healthcare and Big Pharma.
I hope to live long enough to see a radical turnaround in how society and commerce changes - like it used to be, or at least close.
The healthcare and pharma system is one of the biggest jokes in the US but it's purposely designed that way (thank you, Rockefellers/Rothschusilds). Our food is a joke as well, it's banned in at least 33 countries. Take a person from the US who has a serious gluten problems to Italy. All of a sudden, they can stuff their face with bread all day long with zero issues.
None of us will live long enough to see this shit show come tumbling down. It's a big powerful club and we ain't in it.
The CU issue of 1950 listed the price at $280. I was looking for a "adjusted for inflation" and found dollartimes.com. It says:
Adjusted for inflation, $280 in 1950 is equal to $3,744 in 2025
Adjusted for inflation, $280 in 1950 is equal to $3,744 in 2025
The machines and appliances they made many years ago were made for customers, not consumers. When consumers have a say (a focus group), everything goes down hill.
To quote Harry Wormwood from Matilda: “Of course it’s cheating, nobody ever got rich being honest”
gdc76
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I have an insinkerator d/w made by Hobart. It was installed in the 80's and is still running like a champ. It is used everyday, sometimes twice. the normal cycle from start to finish is about 30 minutes or less. My only problem is there is no place to get parts. I currently need a cap for the finish dispenser. It isn't as quiet as the new ones, but I love the speed especially for big holiday dinners when I have to run it multiple times.
If everyone was like me these dishwashers would still be produced but with a Power Clean Filter Module and reversing motor.
Only thing I would do differently is run the motor during the heating portions of the cycles at reduced element wattage (950 watts) while increasing the cycle length to both compensate and scour the dishware.
The frame would reserved for TOL models. MOL models would be stainless steal like latter Whirlpool built Kitchen Aids. BOL models would be plastic like the Kenmore Ultra Wash machine of the late 90s early 2000s.
Everything would have a Power Clean Filter Module.
Only thing I would do differently is run the motor during the heating portions of the cycles at reduced element wattage (950 watts) while increasing the cycle length to both compensate and scour the dishware.
The frame would reserved for TOL models. MOL models would be stainless steal like latter Whirlpool built Kitchen Aids. BOL models would be plastic like the Kenmore Ultra Wash machine of the late 90s early 2000s.
Everything would have a Power Clean Filter Module.
The Pots and Pan cycle on my 18 runs a looong time and with a couple of soaks in between. Kitchenaid did it right using 2 activated detergent doors and a sunken in place between for detergent cups for detergent on the first of 2 pre wash cycles for the P&P cycle (3 stage detergent). The heating element runs at 700 watts during the pre wash (pre washes if the P&P cycle), wash, and last 2 rinses (full 1400 watts during Sani) to provide enough electrical headroom for the beefy 1/2 HP motor and other operations. Even then, it'll occasionally pop the GFCI breaker 'cause it sucking the juice down hard and long. Actually happened last night.
Did the breaker trip on differential or over-current?
Differential protection does not respond to over current, only current imbalances between the hot and neutral conductors. The leakage current to ground of older appliances is much high vs newer ones so GFCI trips are far more likely with an older machine than a newer one.
Do have the exact timing and cycle sequence to your 18? I'm curious how time vs power vs heating all comes together.
With that said, you're lucky to have what is probably the fourth best dishwasher series ever made.
I swear, I wish I could get my hands on one.
Which models had a rinse aid dispenser in addition to heat dry?
Now, Kitchenaid is just another Whirlpool just like Maytag of today.
Puny pumps anybody? That's what you get today.
phillymatt53
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About that A.I. generated stuff that was mentioned here.......
Which, I might add, is just another tool that's on its way to being abused for criminal purposes.....
There's currently an annoying tv commercial that instills Fear into vulnerable viewers.
It concerns home equity theft. - the SHADY business is called Home Title Lock.
And as we all should know, Fear is used in most commercials as a Marketing tactic to rope you into buying their product or services. - good OR bad.
You may have seen it, but look close at the "woman" and tell me that she's a Real Human. - I think NOT.... nice try, but she's a generated robot.
Also, you don't have to believe me, but google up reviews about this so-called home equity protection service - it's a damn SCAM!
Which, I might add, is just another tool that's on its way to being abused for criminal purposes.....
There's currently an annoying tv commercial that instills Fear into vulnerable viewers.
It concerns home equity theft. - the SHADY business is called Home Title Lock.
And as we all should know, Fear is used in most commercials as a Marketing tactic to rope you into buying their product or services. - good OR bad.
You may have seen it, but look close at the "woman" and tell me that she's a Real Human. - I think NOT.... nice try, but she's a generated robot.
Also, you don't have to believe me, but google up reviews about this so-called home equity protection service - it's a damn SCAM!
Ahhh, Youtube, the biggest hypocrites on the internet. Don't get me started. Anything remotely contradicting an official set narrative gets you banned for life violating their arbitrary ever goal post shifting terms of service "spam, scams, or other deceptive practices" Yet when you go to watch videos 95% of the adverts are fake AI generated stuff with a notable percentage of which is either not family friendly or not legal to begin with. Companies hold themselves to one standard, everyone else to another standard. The power imbalance is very real and I don't see things in the appliance industry changing until consumers get their say back.
Today they will build and sell anything half baked while demanding that you love it.
Today they will build and sell anything half baked while demanding that you love it.
phillymatt53
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Well-stated Chet!
A person, preferrably one with a properly Functioning Brain, has to wonder why this recent widespread torrent of Misinformation, Lies, Double Standards, is becoming the norm in recent times.
It's also quite obvious to me and others that something's up, something's going on, and for various reasons yet to be determined.
To me, it this crap seems to have infected everything imaginable, with hoards of society buying into this twisted form of lifstyle.
You mentioned youtube and banning, it's not just that website either.
I've personally have gotten banned from some websites for stating honest Facts, along with Proof, and that caused other members to get pissed off enough to get me tossed out. - for being Honest! WTF!
As for "standards", there's that old saying: "If it wasn't for Double Standards, they'd have no standards at all".
I've personally seen what it's done to people that I know, acquaintances, neighbors, and how it's affected them.
And trying to convince them that their beliefs are not right is like pulling teeth.
It's like they've been brainwashed to "follow the crowd", regardless of any reasoning or facts brought to the table.
I'll finish up by saying once again: "The Dumbing-Down Of Society Has Largely Become Successful".
Take for example only using 2 tablespoons of laundry detergent and that fabric softener killing everything which is a lie. Tell it to the thousands of people who still use the recommended amount of laundry detergent and fabric softener without any issues. This is on top of using the proper cycle without issues too.
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