haxisfan
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optima
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Hoover-Candy should have made the 59(a)class wash at the most used 40deg temp or as i say again on this entry machine a variable temp dial. & another thing that annoys me is why are all candy machines smart & grando,s 32 minute fast wash programmes set at 50deg crazy.
haxisfan
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@optima
yeah... that 50 degrees cycle would be nice together with a temp selector... but with such a temperature restriction it seems a bit pointless. I had a Candy Aquaviva for a week and it had that cycle you mentioned but also a temperature selection dial... so that was good.
Another thing I often frown upon is the fact that the prewash thingummy (you described above) is contaminating more and more models within the entire Candy group... I don't get it... why can't they stick to a prewash button? I wonder if they're ever going to realize that they're just embittering their clientele by putting silly restrictions as such.
Still... I'm sure my next washer will be yet again another Hoover/Candy... just for the hell of it ;-)
yeah... that 50 degrees cycle would be nice together with a temp selector... but with such a temperature restriction it seems a bit pointless. I had a Candy Aquaviva for a week and it had that cycle you mentioned but also a temperature selection dial... so that was good.
Another thing I often frown upon is the fact that the prewash thingummy (you described above) is contaminating more and more models within the entire Candy group... I don't get it... why can't they stick to a prewash button? I wonder if they're ever going to realize that they're just embittering their clientele by putting silly restrictions as such.
Still... I'm sure my next washer will be yet again another Hoover/Candy... just for the hell of it ;-)
A59,,,,
That looks like a decent program. Can you select Sensitive Care/Extra Rinse with that program, to add an extra rinse?
Seems a shame that there appears to be no A59 cycle at 40c, but will a standard Cotton 40c cycle be done in about an hour by using Time Saver?
Liam
That looks like a decent program. Can you select Sensitive Care/Extra Rinse with that program, to add an extra rinse?
Seems a shame that there appears to be no A59 cycle at 40c, but will a standard Cotton 40c cycle be done in about an hour by using Time Saver?
Liam
solsburian
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On the Hoover I had, you could change the temp of the A59 wash. The only caveat was that the recommended load was 3kg.
haxisfan
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@fl1012
Hi Liam,
The A59' can be done at 40 degrees or any other temperature up to 60 on this model (the 1 on the vids) and albeit the name suggests that it should last 59 minutes, it always ends up lasting 1 or 2 minutes past the hour even with no balance issues for some reason which I still find acceptable... of course it would last even longer if the load couldn't be balanced straight off (but this is rare especially on the interim spins because of the reduced spin speed).
The standard cycles at 40 with the time saver would last approx 66 minutes (wash+rinse+spin=25+30+11) for cotton and approx 50'(23+24+3) for a smaller load of synthetics. The extra rinse is not available on the A59' however, as you could see in the vid, this isn't needed as the water level is self-adjusted and would be higher if required. The extra rinse function works differently according to the standard cycle chosen, e.g. cotton (add 2 rinses at whatever required level, usually low, to existing 2 or 3) and synth's (increases the water level of each of the 3 fixed number of rinses).
I always like to see a break down in phases within a wash programme, but I've noticed that when searching the web for wash times, you're likely to find the total time of a cycle, however, as most folks here know, two wash programmes might last the same but could be carried out in a totally different way... like in these examples above. Laterz.
Hi Liam,
The A59' can be done at 40 degrees or any other temperature up to 60 on this model (the 1 on the vids) and albeit the name suggests that it should last 59 minutes, it always ends up lasting 1 or 2 minutes past the hour even with no balance issues for some reason which I still find acceptable... of course it would last even longer if the load couldn't be balanced straight off (but this is rare especially on the interim spins because of the reduced spin speed).
The standard cycles at 40 with the time saver would last approx 66 minutes (wash+rinse+spin=25+30+11) for cotton and approx 50'(23+24+3) for a smaller load of synthetics. The extra rinse is not available on the A59' however, as you could see in the vid, this isn't needed as the water level is self-adjusted and would be higher if required. The extra rinse function works differently according to the standard cycle chosen, e.g. cotton (add 2 rinses at whatever required level, usually low, to existing 2 or 3) and synth's (increases the water level of each of the 3 fixed number of rinses).
I always like to see a break down in phases within a wash programme, but I've noticed that when searching the web for wash times, you're likely to find the total time of a cycle, however, as most folks here know, two wash programmes might last the same but could be carried out in a totally different way... like in these examples above. Laterz.
securitybearuk
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Sweet Candy
I Love my Candy fl, its 2 years old I find it an excellent machine. It features 3 buttons Fast wash, this speeds up the drum rotation and lestens the overall wash time from two and a half hours to ninty mins. Stain removal button ensures that todays so called biological powders and liquids benefit from that feature, this button if left on increases the drum rotation time. Lastly the allergy button gives 6 deep rinses with an interim spin of about 800 revs for 2 mins after each rinse,this is to ensure all of the suds are extracted from the wash, finally a 4 phase step up spin to 1400 revs. The spin speed lasts 15mins with a final 5 mins on 1400 top spin.
The negative side of this machine, even though the kitchen floor is level and time and patience was taken to balance the machine. To avoid or lessen vibration I have the knack of washing like for like items, like the vast majority of washers care has to be taken to not over fill or underfill the machine with laundry. I have this down to a fine art now.
Above all else Candy is a strong sturdy well built machine, I dont regret buying Candy.
I Love my Candy fl, its 2 years old I find it an excellent machine. It features 3 buttons Fast wash, this speeds up the drum rotation and lestens the overall wash time from two and a half hours to ninty mins. Stain removal button ensures that todays so called biological powders and liquids benefit from that feature, this button if left on increases the drum rotation time. Lastly the allergy button gives 6 deep rinses with an interim spin of about 800 revs for 2 mins after each rinse,this is to ensure all of the suds are extracted from the wash, finally a 4 phase step up spin to 1400 revs. The spin speed lasts 15mins with a final 5 mins on 1400 top spin.
The negative side of this machine, even though the kitchen floor is level and time and patience was taken to balance the machine. To avoid or lessen vibration I have the knack of washing like for like items, like the vast majority of washers care has to be taken to not over fill or underfill the machine with laundry. I have this down to a fine art now.
Above all else Candy is a strong sturdy well built machine, I dont regret buying Candy.
reversomatic
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oph714d
Hi,all.Our regular use machine is a Hoover oph714d,and ive been very sastified with it.I,m not a washing machine snob and at the time this machine offered the features i wanted at a good price.I,m not that bothered about it,s lifespan as i like to have a change every 2 or 3 years.I know a Miele is the best you can get but i think i would get bored having the same washer for 10 years.The option i particulaly like is the sensitive care as it not only increases the rinses but also loads more water after approx 10 minutes into the wash so you get a good deep wash.The drum is also larger than some other 7kg machines.I think it,s has very flexible programes.It has excellant rinsing as adds a very deep first rinse if it gets suds locked on the first spin after wash.All in all does what it says on the tin. The only negatives are 60degree default water temprature on coloured and synthetic cycles as its easy to forget to alter the temprature before starting and no matching dryer or stacking kit,so excuse the dryer stood on a towel.So Optima i think you were lucky to snag this washer and hope you enjoy using it.Regards Nige.
Hi,all.Our regular use machine is a Hoover oph714d,and ive been very sastified with it.I,m not a washing machine snob and at the time this machine offered the features i wanted at a good price.I,m not that bothered about it,s lifespan as i like to have a change every 2 or 3 years.I know a Miele is the best you can get but i think i would get bored having the same washer for 10 years.The option i particulaly like is the sensitive care as it not only increases the rinses but also loads more water after approx 10 minutes into the wash so you get a good deep wash.The drum is also larger than some other 7kg machines.I think it,s has very flexible programes.It has excellant rinsing as adds a very deep first rinse if it gets suds locked on the first spin after wash.All in all does what it says on the tin. The only negatives are 60degree default water temprature on coloured and synthetic cycles as its easy to forget to alter the temprature before starting and no matching dryer or stacking kit,so excuse the dryer stood on a towel.So Optima i think you were lucky to snag this washer and hope you enjoy using it.Regards Nige.
Differences?
Securitybearuk,
I am really suprised that Stain blaster button on your Candy actually increases time! In my GrandOPlus it doesn"t increase time, it just adds more water to the mainwash, and intense tumbles. Also it keeps the temperature constant all the time, so you can hear alot of times heater turning on and off.
I adore the flexible programmes and options.. it really offers it
Reversomatic,
Can you tell me your experience with the dryer? How does Sensor works?
Now as we could maybe conclude - Candy/Hoover offers everything, but you just need to pay more to have it all (if you need it) - example: All of them have r32, but on some models you have a temperature selector, so there is not a MUST that it has to be 50 xD
Here is a picture of my GrandOPlus by the way... sorry I didn"t catch a knob, if you want I will describe it to you in detail, and you can also see it in videos (link)
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Securitybearuk,
I am really suprised that Stain blaster button on your Candy actually increases time! In my GrandOPlus it doesn"t increase time, it just adds more water to the mainwash, and intense tumbles. Also it keeps the temperature constant all the time, so you can hear alot of times heater turning on and off.
I adore the flexible programmes and options.. it really offers it
Reversomatic,
Can you tell me your experience with the dryer? How does Sensor works?
Now as we could maybe conclude - Candy/Hoover offers everything, but you just need to pay more to have it all (if you need it) - example: All of them have r32, but on some models you have a temperature selector, so there is not a MUST that it has to be 50 xD
Here is a picture of my GrandOPlus by the way... sorry I didn"t catch a knob, if you want I will describe it to you in detail, and you can also see it in videos (link)
nrones
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optima
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Dex, That Grand O plus is a stunning machine. I would just like to know one thing & its about the silent inverter drive can to tell me if its a brush motor or a brushless induction motor. For the first time last night & it has not done this before i have just found out my oph714D Optima is even more cleverer than i though & its to do with the out of balance sensor. After it has pumped the wash water out & it goes up to distribution speed. It then senses the load balance its either a case of another re-balance or spin but last night it spinned quite out of balance for the 2 400rpm bursts thats when i started to panic thinking my washer is going to shake itself to death then it realised before going onto the faster 1000rpm bit but up till now it would sense before the first 400rpm spin burst. I found that rather clever.
Craig
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optima
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A close up pic of the LCD display.
Motor&Balance
On my GrandOPlus, the motor is induction brushless one. In one period Candy/Hoover offered a 10 year free parts and labor guarantee if you pay 70euros more for all machines that had inverter motors, including dishwashers with "pulse" (inverter) motors.. But normally here guarantee is 5 years free parts and labor
Now what I know about Candy and balance sensors:
If it is extremely unbalanced it won"t even let the 2 bursts.
If it is unbalanced but not that much, it will do 2 bursts and then re-balance before going on fast speeds (800+), because it is easier to re-balance a bit spun clothes than completely wet.
But what I love on my Candy is that it lets unbalanced spins, in control of course.
When it comes to intermittent spins, it either do only 2 bursts, but then use more water on the rinse, or do 3minute 600 rpm spin if it is not that unbalanced - so not much waisting time on re-balancing, but results are still untouched!
I just used to hate when my Aqualtis re-balanced for 10 minutes, and then before 2nd rinse AGAIN.. and just waisting time, instead of doing something smart! thank god I replaced it for this bargain!
You can see what is approx. the biggest unbalance my Candy allows for fast speeds (just scroll to 6:35) - link.
Dex
On my GrandOPlus, the motor is induction brushless one. In one period Candy/Hoover offered a 10 year free parts and labor guarantee if you pay 70euros more for all machines that had inverter motors, including dishwashers with "pulse" (inverter) motors.. But normally here guarantee is 5 years free parts and labor
Now what I know about Candy and balance sensors:
If it is extremely unbalanced it won"t even let the 2 bursts.
If it is unbalanced but not that much, it will do 2 bursts and then re-balance before going on fast speeds (800+), because it is easier to re-balance a bit spun clothes than completely wet.
But what I love on my Candy is that it lets unbalanced spins, in control of course.
When it comes to intermittent spins, it either do only 2 bursts, but then use more water on the rinse, or do 3minute 600 rpm spin if it is not that unbalanced - so not much waisting time on re-balancing, but results are still untouched!
I just used to hate when my Aqualtis re-balanced for 10 minutes, and then before 2nd rinse AGAIN.. and just waisting time, instead of doing something smart! thank god I replaced it for this bargain!
You can see what is approx. the biggest unbalance my Candy allows for fast speeds (just scroll to 6:35) - link.
Dex
reversomatic
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Dryer
Hi, Dex and all, you asked about my experience of the Hoover sensor dryer.All i can say is that it works well and has been trouble free.It doesn,t have complicated moisture sensors ,it just has an exhaust temprature sensor and the electronics calculates the rest .Only ever have it set on cupboard dry and every thing comes out just right.It,s installed in our garage so last winter for about a month the temprature hardly got above 0c but the dryer seemed to compensate for that.I Had a few service calls last winter to condenser dryers in outhouses and garages that would,nt work because they were frozen solid so vented are best for outside.Also later Candy/Hoover sensor dryers wont work below a set temperature as they incorperate frost protection which unfortunatley is,nt explained in the user manual.Optima,do you sell Hoover/Candy dryers and have you had this complaint especialy up in the frozen north? As for the out of balance sensing on the washer i agree it,s more sensible,if the load is not too uneven it will spin redistribute and spin again but at lower revs unlike some washers that can have up to 50 attempts rebalance to spin then give up.And Dex ,i would have liked the Hoover washer with the inverter motor but over here in the u.k. it,s only in the top of the range expensive models so i had to make do with the screaming brush motor model.Regards Nige.
Hi, Dex and all, you asked about my experience of the Hoover sensor dryer.All i can say is that it works well and has been trouble free.It doesn,t have complicated moisture sensors ,it just has an exhaust temprature sensor and the electronics calculates the rest .Only ever have it set on cupboard dry and every thing comes out just right.It,s installed in our garage so last winter for about a month the temprature hardly got above 0c but the dryer seemed to compensate for that.I Had a few service calls last winter to condenser dryers in outhouses and garages that would,nt work because they were frozen solid so vented are best for outside.Also later Candy/Hoover sensor dryers wont work below a set temperature as they incorperate frost protection which unfortunatley is,nt explained in the user manual.Optima,do you sell Hoover/Candy dryers and have you had this complaint especialy up in the frozen north? As for the out of balance sensing on the washer i agree it,s more sensible,if the load is not too uneven it will spin redistribute and spin again but at lower revs unlike some washers that can have up to 50 attempts rebalance to spin then give up.And Dex ,i would have liked the Hoover washer with the inverter motor but over here in the u.k. it,s only in the top of the range expensive models so i had to make do with the screaming brush motor model.Regards Nige.
Thanks for sharing your dryer experience with us!
I must say I heared alot of such complains about dryers not working in the winter, especially vented ones from all manufacturers! However I think Optima will tell you much more accurate info than me
Well, my Candy is top of the range(basicly the sister of Hoover dynamic). Here most Candy's don't have inverter motors, but I see there is more and more of them through time
optima
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Reversomatic We have had a lot of problems with electronic sensor dryers in sheds & garages but what i find interesting is out of all the makes it is hoover-candy sensors that we only seem to have the most problems with. I think hoover-candy have now addressed this in there instruction manuals. Personally i have never been a fan of sensor dryers much prefer mechanical timer dryers & its a very common problem with frost free fridge freezers & freezers.
Solsburian/Haxifan
Thanks for the info
It seems that the A59 makes more sense at the default 60c setting then, as you can run a standard 40c cotton cycle in just a few minutes more with the Time Saver setting anyway, if i'm reading correctly?!
I also like the sound of the way the machines go about checking the load balance, ie spinning slowly whilst abit unbalanced & then trying again if theyre not completely satisfied, rather than wasting ages and ages trying to balance a soaking wet load of laundry for one short & slow burst.
I wonder if the prolonged period at top speed that securitybearuk mentions (5 mins @ 1400rpm) is why a few suffer quite early bearing failure? Our 2007 Zanussi 1400rpm has lasted 3 years of heavy use so far, but it only holds the top 1400rpm spin for about 2 minutes, so maybe it's subjecting the bearings to an easier life than the Hoover/Candy machines, hence the lack of early bearing trouble :-/
Liam
Thanks for the info
It seems that the A59 makes more sense at the default 60c setting then, as you can run a standard 40c cotton cycle in just a few minutes more with the Time Saver setting anyway, if i'm reading correctly?!
I also like the sound of the way the machines go about checking the load balance, ie spinning slowly whilst abit unbalanced & then trying again if theyre not completely satisfied, rather than wasting ages and ages trying to balance a soaking wet load of laundry for one short & slow burst.
I wonder if the prolonged period at top speed that securitybearuk mentions (5 mins @ 1400rpm) is why a few suffer quite early bearing failure? Our 2007 Zanussi 1400rpm has lasted 3 years of heavy use so far, but it only holds the top 1400rpm spin for about 2 minutes, so maybe it's subjecting the bearings to an easier life than the Hoover/Candy machines, hence the lack of early bearing trouble :-/
Liam
haxisfan
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Main wash profile, spin speed and manufacturer's recomme
Hi Liam, I see what you mean, but sometimes it might just have to do with the way one's organised or used to carry out laundry related tasks... even if the time saver standard cycle would run overall for only a few minutes longer than the A59 it has a totally different configuration... e.g. the 25' wash of the standard cycle consists of mid-gentlish movements for just over 15' and intense movements for less than 10' compared to over 35' intense movements of the A59'... and its 3 lower level rinses are easier on delicate colours compared to the 2 high water level rinses. Still, probably there isn't a great difference in terms of results, however, if... say, I have a load of dark colours I prefer the standard (with time saver at 40) and if the items are of a brighter but sturdier colour than I'd go ahead with the A59' at 40°C. Of course if I didn't have the choice of the 'time saver' for this kind of scenario I'd probably use the A59' at 30 degrees. Yes I'd be lost if i couldn't use any of the two as I wouldn't like the idea to use the nonfast colour cycle without time saver as it has a main wash that lasts approx 1 hour whatever the temperature (up to 40°C). There are other cycles I'd use in the scenario I've just described (such as daily or acrylics) if I didn't have these options but that would mean missing out on full spin sequences and speed... so I'm glad I don't have one of those deprived models
Reading that 1400rpm 5 minute sustained spin speed 'securitybrake' asserted was a surprise for me too, my machine has a top speed of 1400 but it mostly spins at 1200 and just over 1 minute on 1400. I'm certain that its 'A' class spin dry rating would be achieved even by leaving the dial set on 1200 as it would keep that speed for 5 minutes after the initial couple of minutes at 400 and 800 then 3 more minutes at 1000rpm.
'Solsburian', the A59' is recommended with 3kg of laundry if you wish to meet the conditions given in the specs... such as duration (59 minutes), energy and water consumption comparable to an A class wash cycle. It doesn't mean that you can't use it for a full load, but in that case you have to be aware of the possible limitations of a short cycle over a very dirty full load of clothes: all cycles in any washing machine are there for you to choose regardless of the manufacturer's recommendations.
Hi Liam, I see what you mean, but sometimes it might just have to do with the way one's organised or used to carry out laundry related tasks... even if the time saver standard cycle would run overall for only a few minutes longer than the A59 it has a totally different configuration... e.g. the 25' wash of the standard cycle consists of mid-gentlish movements for just over 15' and intense movements for less than 10' compared to over 35' intense movements of the A59'... and its 3 lower level rinses are easier on delicate colours compared to the 2 high water level rinses. Still, probably there isn't a great difference in terms of results, however, if... say, I have a load of dark colours I prefer the standard (with time saver at 40) and if the items are of a brighter but sturdier colour than I'd go ahead with the A59' at 40°C. Of course if I didn't have the choice of the 'time saver' for this kind of scenario I'd probably use the A59' at 30 degrees. Yes I'd be lost if i couldn't use any of the two as I wouldn't like the idea to use the nonfast colour cycle without time saver as it has a main wash that lasts approx 1 hour whatever the temperature (up to 40°C). There are other cycles I'd use in the scenario I've just described (such as daily or acrylics) if I didn't have these options but that would mean missing out on full spin sequences and speed... so I'm glad I don't have one of those deprived models
Reading that 1400rpm 5 minute sustained spin speed 'securitybrake' asserted was a surprise for me too, my machine has a top speed of 1400 but it mostly spins at 1200 and just over 1 minute on 1400. I'm certain that its 'A' class spin dry rating would be achieved even by leaving the dial set on 1200 as it would keep that speed for 5 minutes after the initial couple of minutes at 400 and 800 then 3 more minutes at 1000rpm.
'Solsburian', the A59' is recommended with 3kg of laundry if you wish to meet the conditions given in the specs... such as duration (59 minutes), energy and water consumption comparable to an A class wash cycle. It doesn't mean that you can't use it for a full load, but in that case you have to be aware of the possible limitations of a short cycle over a very dirty full load of clothes: all cycles in any washing machine are there for you to choose regardless of the manufacturer's recommendations.
