liberatordeluxe
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Does anyone know how the manufacturers make liquid detergents? Do they start off as solid ingredients then diluted into water? Just curious as I wanted to know if they have a shelf life compared to powder.
How are Liquid Detergents Made?
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aquarius1984
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Why not ring the manufacturers up. Answers from the horses mouth's!
liberatordeluxe
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Have tried but can never get through lol Thought someone on here might be an expert in chemicals.
aquarius1984
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You cant get thru?
Maybe ring the same number you dial when you want to know about OBA's.
Just a thought.
Maybe ring the same number you dial when you want to know about OBA's.
Just a thought.
aquarius1984
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Expert in chemicals>
why not just ask youself.
why not just ask youself.
liberatordeluxe
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I thought the whole point of these forums was to help out eachother if we wanted to know things or am in the wrong place?
aquarius1984
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wrong place?
yes it seems you are. I thought you'd realised that a few days ago.
yes it seems you are. I thought you'd realised that a few days ago.
liberatordeluxe
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oh fine then. Be like that.
aquarius1984
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pot kettle black
you decided a long time ago that what we knew nothing you want to hear so perhaps you need to stop asking us.
you decided a long time ago that what we knew nothing you want to hear so perhaps you need to stop asking us.
liberatordeluxe
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I NEVER said that. Anyway I am not going to try and explain as you seem to of made your mind up.
aquarius1984
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you dont have to explain, we read you loud and clear.
liberatordeluxe
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If you say so sugar 
superelectronic
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If you consider that liquid detergents are a product of the petrochemical industry, i.e. they started out as oil, you could hazzard a guess that a fair proportion of the ingredients are in a liquid format before the manufacturing process.
I thought powder detergents were, to one extent or another, dried from a more moist state.
Pick some key ingredients and look them up perhaps?
Do manufacturers not respond to email or a formal business letter any more? I wouldn't trust anyone on those kind of support lines to have a particularly thorough understanding of the manufacturing process to be honest. I think they're more geared up for the clueless consumer and ready to suggest another of their products as a solution to your problem. Impartial they aren't.
I thought powder detergents were, to one extent or another, dried from a more moist state.
Pick some key ingredients and look them up perhaps?
Do manufacturers not respond to email or a formal business letter any more? I wouldn't trust anyone on those kind of support lines to have a particularly thorough understanding of the manufacturing process to be honest. I think they're more geared up for the clueless consumer and ready to suggest another of their products as a solution to your problem. Impartial they aren't.
liberatordeluxe
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To Aquarius1984 and AquaCycle
I don't want to fall out with you anymore so can we just get on and forget about disagreements? We all have difference of opinion and I know I can sometimes be difficult (blame that being Aries lol) but I am NOT here to troll or pick fights. I joined the site as I have always been interested in washers and detergents and was so happy to come across this site to meet like minded people.
If you were to of met me offline I can assure you I would explain things better but I have never been good at putting across things on forums so I wholeheartedly apologise if I go into a spin.
I don't want to fall out with you anymore so can we just get on and forget about disagreements? We all have difference of opinion and I know I can sometimes be difficult (blame that being Aries lol) but I am NOT here to troll or pick fights. I joined the site as I have always been interested in washers and detergents and was so happy to come across this site to meet like minded people.
If you were to of met me offline I can assure you I would explain things better but I have never been good at putting across things on forums so I wholeheartedly apologise if I go into a spin.
liberatordeluxe
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How you getting on with the Ecover SuperElectronic by the way?
I used to buy the bio concentrated liquid but Sainsburys stopped selling that.
I did phone Procter and Gamble but like you say they are more geared up at selling products not knowing about ingredients. They pass your enquiries onto the tech team but more often than not they never get back to you.
What I like about Method and Ecover is they list the ingredients and state where they come from, how they are made and whether they come from plant or animal sources.
The idea of washing clothes in animal fats doesn't really appeal to me.
Ben
I used to buy the bio concentrated liquid but Sainsburys stopped selling that.
I did phone Procter and Gamble but like you say they are more geared up at selling products not knowing about ingredients. They pass your enquiries onto the tech team but more often than not they never get back to you.
What I like about Method and Ecover is they list the ingredients and state where they come from, how they are made and whether they come from plant or animal sources.
The idea of washing clothes in animal fats doesn't really appeal to me.
Ben
superelectronic
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Ecover? Hmmm...
Ecover is very sudsy in both powder and liquid formats. The suggested dosage of the powder can leave me with suds coming half way up the door.
The powder is better at cleaning but after a while the clothes develop a weird whiff - a bit like if you wash something in pure soap - I don't totally love it but can live with it.
The absence of OBAs is, to be honest, not so good for whites so I keep pepping up those loads with some Ariel stain remover for whites. If I use a scoop of that with the liquid it tends to leave clothes softer than when I put it with the powder.
I tend to use the powder on its own for lights - e.g. work shirts. The liquid is adequate for darks.
I don't have filthy clothes or tend to get tricky stains, so it works well enough for me, plus I like the overall principle of their products (but don't quizz me in detail on it).
Those are my thoughts!
Ecover is very sudsy in both powder and liquid formats. The suggested dosage of the powder can leave me with suds coming half way up the door.
The powder is better at cleaning but after a while the clothes develop a weird whiff - a bit like if you wash something in pure soap - I don't totally love it but can live with it.
The absence of OBAs is, to be honest, not so good for whites so I keep pepping up those loads with some Ariel stain remover for whites. If I use a scoop of that with the liquid it tends to leave clothes softer than when I put it with the powder.
I tend to use the powder on its own for lights - e.g. work shirts. The liquid is adequate for darks.
I don't have filthy clothes or tend to get tricky stains, so it works well enough for me, plus I like the overall principle of their products (but don't quizz me in detail on it).
Those are my thoughts!
liberatordeluxe
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I only got the Ecover delicate at the moment but hardly gets used seeing as I mainly bought it for wool.
I tend tend to where a lot of white clothes so big box powder is not economical for me. I used to add Vanish oxyaction to liquid with whites and that seemed to bring them up nice and bright however that was the one for colours not whites.
I tend tend to where a lot of white clothes so big box powder is not economical for me. I used to add Vanish oxyaction to liquid with whites and that seemed to bring them up nice and bright however that was the one for colours not whites.
What I've learned in
developing "Rosalie's" is liquids are blended from liquid stocks, less ethoxylation for non-ionics produces a liquid product. But for the components to stay mixed in the bottle with different specific gravity's for long periods is difficult. Manufacturers' all have secret and patented methods to insure the components ( up to 10 sometimes) stay mixed.
However there is a big difference when it comes to enzymes. In liquids enzymes can stay active for 6 months to under a year. In powders enzymes can stay active up to 5 years.
developing "Rosalie's" is liquids are blended from liquid stocks, less ethoxylation for non-ionics produces a liquid product. But for the components to stay mixed in the bottle with different specific gravity's for long periods is difficult. Manufacturers' all have secret and patented methods to insure the components ( up to 10 sometimes) stay mixed.
However there is a big difference when it comes to enzymes. In liquids enzymes can stay active for 6 months to under a year. In powders enzymes can stay active up to 5 years.
aquacycle
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To liberatordeluxe, please don't bring me into threads that I haven't contributed to. I said what I wanted to say in another thread, no need to bring it up here.
Back on topic, this should be an interesting one if we have some science experts on here.
Back on topic, this should be an interesting one if we have some science experts on here.
