How close are these electric rates?
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do I hear $10?
$10- rented to the highest bidder....
going once, going twice
$10- rented to the highest bidder....
going once, going twice
askomiele
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Hai
maybe it's off topic but how much taxes do you pay on electricity. I received my bill yesterday and I saw that we had to pay (converted of course)$440 for taxes only. Luckly those are anual costs. Isn't this to much? Our rates are $0.069/kWh during day and $0.027/kWh during night (9pm till 6am), oh and they are planning to raise both rates and taxes (why not). Before private investors came here we payed less. All politicians keep telling us that prices went down since then! I didn't see it.
maybe it's off topic but how much taxes do you pay on electricity. I received my bill yesterday and I saw that we had to pay (converted of course)$440 for taxes only. Luckly those are anual costs. Isn't this to much? Our rates are $0.069/kWh during day and $0.027/kWh during night (9pm till 6am), oh and they are planning to raise both rates and taxes (why not). Before private investors came here we payed less. All politicians keep telling us that prices went down since then! I didn't see it.
jmirawm
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Reading the Bill
I cannot tell how much it is per Kilowatt hour, because there are so many different charges. IF you take the total Bill and divide, it would be $.0911 per kilowatt hour. <p> The breakdown for 808 Kilowatt hours<p> Customer charge - $6.50<p> Charge for Elect. Service - 24.24<p> Energy cost recovery @ 0.042866/kwh - 34.64<p> taxes & franchise fees - 8.23<p> Total - 73.61<p> I am on the average billing plan. My bill usually runs $ 88 - $92 a month. I have about 1000 square feet, However there is a cathedral ceiling over the dining, living and kitchen areas. I leave a ceiling fan running on low during the winter months to keep the heat from collecting in the ceiling area. <p> I have been trying very hard this year to watch my thermostat. In the past I have kept it where ever I was MOST comfortable. I found this nifty comparison Chart on the web of my usage, Comparing the last two years. How Fun !<p> Obviously in July I was TIRED of being warm and turned that baby down.
I cannot tell how much it is per Kilowatt hour, because there are so many different charges. IF you take the total Bill and divide, it would be $.0911 per kilowatt hour. <p> The breakdown for 808 Kilowatt hours<p> Customer charge - $6.50<p> Charge for Elect. Service - 24.24<p> Energy cost recovery @ 0.042866/kwh - 34.64<p> taxes & franchise fees - 8.23<p> Total - 73.61<p> I am on the average billing plan. My bill usually runs $ 88 - $92 a month. I have about 1000 square feet, However there is a cathedral ceiling over the dining, living and kitchen areas. I leave a ceiling fan running on low during the winter months to keep the heat from collecting in the ceiling area. <p> I have been trying very hard this year to watch my thermostat. In the past I have kept it where ever I was MOST comfortable. I found this nifty comparison Chart on the web of my usage, Comparing the last two years. How Fun !<p> Obviously in July I was TIRED of being warm and turned that baby down.
jmirawm
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An interesting tidbit
I did not know this. Found this on the O.G. & E. (Oklahoma Gas And Electric) Site. <P>ENERGY
Fort Smith's electric rates are among the lowest in the nation. The city itself is in the middle of the largest producing natural gas field in the nation, providing low commercial, industrial and residential gas rates.
I did not know this. Found this on the O.G. & E. (Oklahoma Gas And Electric) Site. <P>ENERGY
Fort Smith's electric rates are among the lowest in the nation. The city itself is in the middle of the largest producing natural gas field in the nation, providing low commercial, industrial and residential gas rates.
My most current bill, which I just paid, covered 11/01-12/02. KWH used was 677. Without taxes, it was 97.01 for a cost of 14.3 cents/kwh. with taxess it as 100.64, fora cost of 14.8 cents/kwh. And it was on the news last night effective January 1, the Public Utility Commission's "price to beat" a competitive dge for the little guys here (providers) goes away and so the big guys (like TXU) can eat their lunch or prices will skyrocket.
Rub it in why dontcha? *LOL*
~The city itself is in the middle of the largest producing natural gas field in the nation,
...and yet I 'll bet ya your house which is nearby does not have gas service. Ever hear that commerical ad. "I've got gas! " LOL
LOL Oh you hush up now!
His bill usually runs $88 - $92 a month.
bills in this area run $88 - $92 per week.
~The city itself is in the middle of the largest producing natural gas field in the nation,
...and yet I 'll bet ya your house which is nearby does not have gas service. Ever hear that commerical ad. "I've got gas! " LOL
LOL Oh you hush up now!
His bill usually runs $88 - $92 a month.
bills in this area run $88 - $92 per week.
Get ready to pay higher electrical rates!
Had this discussion with friends over lunch this afternoon. The other day on CNN, they were talking about how after the new year, our rates here in Texas are going to increase even more! We typically pay 60-80% more than others.
Austin and San Antonio have lower rates than Houston. This is going to change and I believe there will be state wide Deregulation. If you are going to change providers....do it NOW, they said.
Here in Houston we have a little thing called "Deregulation".
Man, everyone here wanted this, as it meant we were able to shop around for "supposidly" "Lower Energy Rates". And in some ways we were all duped into believing this was a good thing. Well....a year later, those rates here skyrocketed around May to a whopping 15-17%! (I was paying 9% kwh just a year ago)
I had NEVER paid a $200 monthly electrical bill (summer time)for this POS trailer. I was gone over 60 hours a week from home, and it made NO difference whatsoever to adjust thermo a little higher. I used less and paid more. Most times completely cutting off the AC.
Someone may correct me if I got my statistics wrong....nicely of course ;-)
Had this discussion with friends over lunch this afternoon. The other day on CNN, they were talking about how after the new year, our rates here in Texas are going to increase even more! We typically pay 60-80% more than others.
Austin and San Antonio have lower rates than Houston. This is going to change and I believe there will be state wide Deregulation. If you are going to change providers....do it NOW, they said.
Here in Houston we have a little thing called "Deregulation".
Man, everyone here wanted this, as it meant we were able to shop around for "supposidly" "Lower Energy Rates". And in some ways we were all duped into believing this was a good thing. Well....a year later, those rates here skyrocketed around May to a whopping 15-17%! (I was paying 9% kwh just a year ago)
I had NEVER paid a $200 monthly electrical bill (summer time)for this POS trailer. I was gone over 60 hours a week from home, and it made NO difference whatsoever to adjust thermo a little higher. I used less and paid more. Most times completely cutting off the AC.
Someone may correct me if I got my statistics wrong....nicely of course ;-)
Carol, my sister used to work in Marketing Comm for TXU. Dereg cost her her job. They all knwe dereg was a farse.
nmaineman36
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This is a good topic, In Maine CMP charges .05 per KWH and then there is the "transmission fee" of .08 per kwh for a total of .13 per kwh. Some bills have hit $100 in the summer with A/C and 60 in the wintertime. Natural Gas from Northern Utilities runs 1.03 per therm. The cheapest place I ever lived was in Omaha...I couldnt believe what they charged and how cheap. But the electric bill was small in comparison to my MUD bill..water and gas combined was pricey and the water bill part made me cringe. My ex would water the lawn every day in the summer..it was painful to watch all the money go up into the lawn.
In Maine we take water for granted since we have so much of it. Massachusetts you pay thru the nose for water and it keeps getting expensive for it.
In Maine we take water for granted since we have so much of it. Massachusetts you pay thru the nose for water and it keeps getting expensive for it.
Gas service in apartments in metro New Orleans
n most areas of metro New Orleans,gas is not allowed to be used in apartments because of fire codes. They don't want to have a leaky pipe under a floor or in a wall in between apartments to cause an explosion. So most apartments are built all electric. Matter of fact,as part of condo conversions some older buildings are actually being converted to-all electric . There is a way around this.
Some larger multi-building complexes have gas on site but it is still not allowed to be piped directly into the apartments.
Gas-fired water heaters and boilers are installed in separate buildings for domestic hot water and heating, as well as the laundry rooms which have commercial gas dryers and their own separate water heaters. Some complexes also had gas grills in the patios for tenants to use and outdoor GAS LIGHTING.But you will always find an electric stove in the kitchen. The only other way one can have gas in an apartment is to have the pipes run externally along the outside of the building and come in through the wall. Most apartment builders didn't like that because it was considered aesthetically unpleasing and costly. They also get a volume discount on electric appliance packages. As a result,only about maybe,say,5% of the buildings actually have gas in the apartment itself.
n most areas of metro New Orleans,gas is not allowed to be used in apartments because of fire codes. They don't want to have a leaky pipe under a floor or in a wall in between apartments to cause an explosion. So most apartments are built all electric. Matter of fact,as part of condo conversions some older buildings are actually being converted to-all electric . There is a way around this.
Some larger multi-building complexes have gas on site but it is still not allowed to be piped directly into the apartments.
Gas-fired water heaters and boilers are installed in separate buildings for domestic hot water and heating, as well as the laundry rooms which have commercial gas dryers and their own separate water heaters. Some complexes also had gas grills in the patios for tenants to use and outdoor GAS LIGHTING.But you will always find an electric stove in the kitchen. The only other way one can have gas in an apartment is to have the pipes run externally along the outside of the building and come in through the wall. Most apartment builders didn't like that because it was considered aesthetically unpleasing and costly. They also get a volume discount on electric appliance packages. As a result,only about maybe,say,5% of the buildings actually have gas in the apartment itself.
In my area we get the first 300 kWH or so for about $.12. Above that but below about 500 kWH, it's about $.16. Above about 500 kWH, it's more like $.20 and up. And so on. So there is a strong incentive to conserve electricity (although I think I've thrown out that incentive during this holiday when I have xmas lights outside (albeit mostly LED) and lots of bright compact flourescents inside to drive away the winter blues.
My last combined gas/electric bill was about $120. I figure the next one will be over $150, because the heater's been running a lot and the aforementioned lighting.
My last combined gas/electric bill was about $120. I figure the next one will be over $150, because the heater's been running a lot and the aforementioned lighting.
Theater's bill arrived today.
*Building Main, period of 11/28 to 12/22 (only 25 days)
KWH used = 8,040
Generation Charges:
Energy 8040 KWH x 0.03257 = $261.86
Demand 69.360 KW X 2.00 = $138.72
Cost Recovery Factor 8040 KWH X -0.01583 = $-127.32
Generation Provider Transmission, Distribution:
Energy 8040 X 0.01604 = $128.96
Demand 69.360 KW x 0.2500 = $17.34
Cost Recovery Factor 8040 X -0.00066 = $-5.32
Local Distribution:
Customer Charge = $42.00
Demand 69.36 KW X 1.310 = $90.86
Total: $547.10
State Sales Tax: $34.19
City Sales Tax: $8.21
County Sales Tax: $2.74
City Franchise Fee: $10.94
Total Due: $603.18
Cost per KWH *before taxes*: $0.06805
*Parking lot lights are metered/billed separately
*Building Main, period of 11/28 to 12/22 (only 25 days)
KWH used = 8,040
Generation Charges:
Energy 8040 KWH x 0.03257 = $261.86
Demand 69.360 KW X 2.00 = $138.72
Cost Recovery Factor 8040 KWH X -0.01583 = $-127.32
Generation Provider Transmission, Distribution:
Energy 8040 X 0.01604 = $128.96
Demand 69.360 KW x 0.2500 = $17.34
Cost Recovery Factor 8040 X -0.00066 = $-5.32
Local Distribution:
Customer Charge = $42.00
Demand 69.36 KW X 1.310 = $90.86
Total: $547.10
State Sales Tax: $34.19
City Sales Tax: $8.21
County Sales Tax: $2.74
City Franchise Fee: $10.94
Total Due: $603.18
Cost per KWH *before taxes*: $0.06805
*Parking lot lights are metered/billed separately
exploder3211
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My bill for last month was $196.42... 10.95 cents per kwh.. Used 2125 kwh's... Includes a new meater installed
My electric bill averages $120 per month.where I work-the transmitter site-it averages about $35,000 per month.And another $10,000 per month load management gen lease.If we didn't have the genset-would be about $50,000per month more.
Toggle's NYC Energy Rules
The situation here is similar to Toggle's rules...
If at all possible, we heat our homes, cook our food, and heat our water with natural gas. In the SF Bay Area by the water, most homes do not have central A/C. It really is not needed. There are maybe three weeks a year where the temps are over 90, and it's usually a "dry heat". There is geenerally a cool-down overnight and running a fan to blow cool night air into the home, and then shuttering the home during the day, generally takes care of these high temps. However this winter I am probably going to purchase a window A/C unit for those few times when it's simply too hot inside even with night air.
Our electric rates are lower than Hawaii but higher than most of the nation. We also get a "baseline" lowest rate for minimal usage; here it's about 330 kWH/month. That's about $.12/kWH. More than that, it jumps to about $.16. Above about 500 kWH, it jumps to around $.20. Above that tier, which I've never reached, it's even higher (I think). I think my average cost is around $.15 kWH.
Nearly all my lighting is flourscent; it's been that way since before our "energy crisis" of 2000. I also shut off all vampire loads wherever possible; I figure that has saved the equivalent of a full-size refrigerator's energy consumption. I also replaced older pre-90's fridges to energy star in 2001; that has helped to cut my electric consumption in half (from about 1,000 kWH/month to about 500 kWH/month. I could go lower if I pared down to one fridge and got rid of the chest freezer, but with two kitchens I don't want to
. Also, a fish pond pump uses about the same as a energy star fridge. It's either that or no koi. I choose the koi.
The situation here is similar to Toggle's rules...
If at all possible, we heat our homes, cook our food, and heat our water with natural gas. In the SF Bay Area by the water, most homes do not have central A/C. It really is not needed. There are maybe three weeks a year where the temps are over 90, and it's usually a "dry heat". There is geenerally a cool-down overnight and running a fan to blow cool night air into the home, and then shuttering the home during the day, generally takes care of these high temps. However this winter I am probably going to purchase a window A/C unit for those few times when it's simply too hot inside even with night air.
Our electric rates are lower than Hawaii but higher than most of the nation. We also get a "baseline" lowest rate for minimal usage; here it's about 330 kWH/month. That's about $.12/kWH. More than that, it jumps to about $.16. Above about 500 kWH, it jumps to around $.20. Above that tier, which I've never reached, it's even higher (I think). I think my average cost is around $.15 kWH.
Nearly all my lighting is flourscent; it's been that way since before our "energy crisis" of 2000. I also shut off all vampire loads wherever possible; I figure that has saved the equivalent of a full-size refrigerator's energy consumption. I also replaced older pre-90's fridges to energy star in 2001; that has helped to cut my electric consumption in half (from about 1,000 kWH/month to about 500 kWH/month. I could go lower if I pared down to one fridge and got rid of the chest freezer, but with two kitchens I don't want to
. Also, a fish pond pump uses about the same as a energy star fridge. It's either that or no koi. I choose the koi.
Personal bill:
Period of 11/20 to 12/18
Generation --
Energy: 1046 KWH x 0.03605 = $37.71
Generation Provider Transmission, Distribution & Ancillary --
Energy: 1046 KWH x 0.01256 = $13.14
Local Distribution --
Customer Charge: $15.00
Minimum: 475 KWH x 0.03089 = $14.67
Distribution: 571 KWH x 0.01380 = $7.88
Notice there's no Cost Recovery Factor on this billing for my residential rate.
Residential is not charged demand (not directly) or sales taxes.
Total Due: $88.40
Cost per KWH: $0.08451
Period of 11/20 to 12/18
Generation --
Energy: 1046 KWH x 0.03605 = $37.71
Generation Provider Transmission, Distribution & Ancillary --
Energy: 1046 KWH x 0.01256 = $13.14
Local Distribution --
Customer Charge: $15.00
Minimum: 475 KWH x 0.03089 = $14.67
Distribution: 571 KWH x 0.01380 = $7.88
Notice there's no Cost Recovery Factor on this billing for my residential rate.
Residential is not charged demand (not directly) or sales taxes.
Total Due: $88.40
Cost per KWH: $0.08451
A simple way to find out exactly how much you are paying including taxes and hidden charges is to take the total bill divided by the KWH used. This gives you the TOTAL price per KWH that you are paying. Many times the bill is confusing and charges 2 different rates, then adds taxes for state, city, and fuel charges etc. This takes all of that into account.
This equation calculates how much you actually pay per KWH:
TOTAL BILL divided by KILOWATT HOURS USED equals TOTAL PER KWH YOU ACTUALLY PAY
Here is mine in Virginia Beach, VA:
OCT. 10/13/05 to 11/10/05 $125.14/1544 KWH= .0810
JAN. 1/17/06 to 2/14/06 $85.66/934 KWH= .0917
FEB 2/14/06 to 3/16/06 $97.37/1113 KWH= .0874
MAR. 3/16/06 to 4/13/06 $97.50/1115 KWH= .0874
APR. 4/13/06 to 5/24/06 $151.23/1816 KWH= .0832
MAY 5/24//06 to 6/23/06 $150.80/1588 KWH= .0949
Here is mine in Austin, TX:
JUL. 7/27/06 to 7/31/06 $67.47/595 KWH= .1133
AUG. 7/31/06 to 8/29/06 $294.07/2568 KWH= .1145
SEP. 8/28/06 to 9/28/06 $231.44/1871 KWH= .1236
OCT. 9/28/06 to 10/26/06 $154.78/1525= .1014
NOV. 10/26/06 to 11/28/06 $154.98/1527= .1014
This proves, EVERYTHING IS BIGGER IN TEXAS, including the power bill. I still love Texas! It’s worth paying more to be here, YA’LL!
Jeff
This equation calculates how much you actually pay per KWH:
TOTAL BILL divided by KILOWATT HOURS USED equals TOTAL PER KWH YOU ACTUALLY PAY
Here is mine in Virginia Beach, VA:
OCT. 10/13/05 to 11/10/05 $125.14/1544 KWH= .0810
JAN. 1/17/06 to 2/14/06 $85.66/934 KWH= .0917
FEB 2/14/06 to 3/16/06 $97.37/1113 KWH= .0874
MAR. 3/16/06 to 4/13/06 $97.50/1115 KWH= .0874
APR. 4/13/06 to 5/24/06 $151.23/1816 KWH= .0832
MAY 5/24//06 to 6/23/06 $150.80/1588 KWH= .0949
Here is mine in Austin, TX:
JUL. 7/27/06 to 7/31/06 $67.47/595 KWH= .1133
AUG. 7/31/06 to 8/29/06 $294.07/2568 KWH= .1145
SEP. 8/28/06 to 9/28/06 $231.44/1871 KWH= .1236
OCT. 9/28/06 to 10/26/06 $154.78/1525= .1014
NOV. 10/26/06 to 11/28/06 $154.98/1527= .1014
This proves, EVERYTHING IS BIGGER IN TEXAS, including the power bill. I still love Texas! It’s worth paying more to be here, YA’LL!
Jeff
In Seattle, we pay the following
(Summer: April-September)
First 10 kWh per day at 3.76¢ per kWh
All additional kWh per day at 7.93¢ per kWh
(Winter: October - March)
First 16 kWh per day at 3.76¢ per kWh
All additional kWh per day at 7.93¢ per kWh
Base Service Charge: 9.73¢ per meter per day
And there is a special rate schedule for low-income people.
(Summer: April-September)
First 10 kWh per day at 3.76¢ per kWh
All additional kWh per day at 7.93¢ per kWh
(Winter: October - March)
First 16 kWh per day at 3.76¢ per kWh
All additional kWh per day at 7.93¢ per kWh
Base Service Charge: 9.73¢ per meter per day
And there is a special rate schedule for low-income people.
