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Pierre:

The Hot vs. Cold debate seems to be never ending on this forum. Its already happened at least 3 times this year alone. I for one am not ready to go into that argument again.

 

The member posing the question was not interested in our opinions about washing Hot vs. Cold, rather, they were asking how to get a truly Hot/Warm wash for the times they require it - not the "Eco Mandated" tepid water temperatures the machine currently provides. Perhaps he has some sturdy Cottons, Towels or Bed-Sheets he would like washed properly in the machine? Perhaps not. It doesn't matter, it is still a valid question. His experience with Cold water may vary to yours, so please do keep that in mind.  
 
Ray:

Perhaps different cycles on your machine result in higher wash temps. I know on Whirlpool machines, the Normal cycle, which is used for energy ratings, uses less water and lower temps than the whites or heavy duty cycle. Perhaps there are cycles on your machine that will heat the wash water to a higher temperature.

Joe
 
Hi Joe. I think if I select steam on Normal or Stain Away I may get it a little hotter. I have to try. I will try the Heavy Duty and see that happens.
Thanks for the advise. Howver, I am just happy that I get so much more water in the machine. I will have to video and post here.

Ray
 
Hot vs Cold Wash

I guess I am just form the old school. For light and dark colored clothes cold or warm works well. For towels and whites I like hot since I use chlorine bleach on the whites and bleachables. I have tested washing whites on cold with bleach.

The whites washed in HOT with bleach came out better. I think the hot water activates the bleach better. Who knows. Just my opinion.

If you have grease spots on whites and colored clothes, it seems warm or hot water realeases the stain better.
 
AEG Washer

Laundress. I have the AEG Bella Super which I bought in 1991. Machine only used for 2 years. It is like new.

I will check size and post here.

Thanks

Ray
 
Martin...

Would disconnecting the sensor on my bro's 2010 WP DD have any effect (if such a thing is even possible), or would that just make it not work at all? [this post was last edited: 10/8/2013-14:32]
 
All I can say with these sensors is disconnect, or move them out of the way, and see what your individual machine would do...each one is programmed a little different on how it adjust the temps.....

I would never do this on my Neptunes, because its somewhat oldschool, it raises the cold water temp up...never dubs down the hot or warm wash....

on the Cabrio, with the sensor removed from its slot, gave either an all HOT or all COLD wash, it could not sense the water to give you a WARM wash without that sensor.....but as mentioned, HOT was only reduced 10 degrees from the water heater, WARM on the other hand was COOL at best.....and I swear the COLD selection was popping out ice cubes.......on this machine I select HOT/COLD for every load...

and you have to search and play with these machines, it is nerve wrecking, HOT on the HeavyDuty cycle is not the same temp as HOT for PermPress....

I literally praise every vintage machine, and Neptune I have, and hope to keep them as long as possible.....nothing like selecting HOT, and having the steam fog up the room as its filling....and getting an exact WARM wash as selected...

I don't get this craze for COLD washing, especially in HE and FL machines, I tried washing in cooler temps of a regular TL machine to save money, but getting a HE machine, that uses plenty of water was the perfect ticket to using less water than a regular TL, detergent, and the high speed spin.....every load now is set to WARM/WARM, because its cheaper to wash and rinse that way now.....

what are we talking here, at most 2 to 4 gallons of HOT water for a fill....I have 3 kids, which still feels like I have all 10 again when it comes to laundry, what some of you guys wash in a week, I do in most days, at these temps, my bills are NOT sky rocketing!....
 
Article on Cold Water Washing

<span style="text-decoration: underline;">Here is an article I saw today on Yahoo. So much for Cold Water Washing. </span>

..Are You Washing Your Clothes Wrong? Probably.
..By Alexis Clark, Senior Features Editor
.Posts .By Alexis Clark, Senior Features Editor | Healthy Living – 20 hours ago
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Photo by Getty ImagesIt’s quite possible that your newly washed, April-fresh-smelling clothes aren’t as clean as you think. Recent research by the American Cleaning Institute (ACI) and other experts indicate that many of us are going about the practice of washing our clothes completely wrong.

For starters, if you’re washing clothes in cold water, using antibacterial detergent, or simply not washing certain items frequently enough, you may have to change some old habits.

More on Shine: 5 Simple Ways to Stay Cold and Flu Free

When it comes to water temperature, you probably need to go hotter. “If you’re putting clothes in cold water, you aren’t getting rid of bacteria,” Marcelle Pick, an ob-gyn and pediatric nurse practitioner at the Women to Women health care center based in Yarmouth, Maine, tells Yahoo Shine. “For babies, their clothes tend to be more contaminated, so you should definitely wash using hotter temperatures.”

Onesies and soft-stuffed animals may look adorable, but there’s a chance they contain bacteria derived from feces. “Once you become a parent, the amount of laundry you do skyrockets,” says Janet Ozzard, executive editor of the Baby Center. “And if you're taking care of a newborn, a lot of the stuff that comes out of babies is as germy as it gets — spit-up, pee, and poop.”

According to the ACI’s best practices, cold water can be used to presoak heavily soiled items. But for the actual wash cycle, hot water should be used, along with detergent and bleach, if necessary, to thoroughly clean, sanitize, and disinfect.

But many environmentalists, who advocate using cold water over hot water for machine-washing in order to save energy, have a different take on the study. Ed Osann, Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) senior water policy analyst, explained to Shine in an email that the most important part of the process is using an effective detergent, not using hot water. “Warm or even hot water is not hot enough to sterilize clothes exposed to fecal matter. If detergent is formulated for comparable effectiveness in cold water, then no extra benefit would be expected from warm water use." Osann suggested avoiding antibacterial detergents that actually promote the growth of resistant bacteria and making sure to thoroughly dry clothes.

More on Yahoo: Preventing the Spread of Antibiotic-Resistant 'Nightmare-Bacteria' and Superbugs

So what about adult clothes, towels and sheets? Are we cleaning those correctly? Probably not, or at least not often enough. The ACI breaks down the number of times your clothes should come into contact with soap and water. Underwear, socks, tanks, and T-shirts should be cleaned after each wear, along with tights and, believe it or not, jeggings. You can get three or four wears out of your jeans and khakis before they need a cleaning. Bed sheets should be washed at least every two weeks (but more often if you sweat a lot) and towels should be hung dry after each use and washed every three to four days.

Baby Center's Ozzard says that the best way to ensure your clothes stay hygienic is to keep the washing machine germ-free. Ozzard recommends first running an empty wash with hot water, bleach and soap to disinfect the machine.“Be sure to run an extra rinse cycle so the bleach is thoroughly flushed out.”

She also suggests starting off with whites and high-temperature items first, using hot water with detergent, then drying on high for 45 minutes to sanitize the dryer. “That way, when you do the rest of your laundry, the machines are fairly well sanitized.”

And you can still be kind to the environment while you adapt to your new wash cycle. Washing in warm water and line-drying in the sun is an eco-friendly way to thoroughly clean clothes and save energy, Ozzard says. Pick adds that as children get older, their clothes are less soiled and may not need to be washed at such high temperatures anymore.

The main takeaway: If you really want your tropical-fruit-and-cool-breeze-smelling clothes to be clean, consider warmer water, avoid antibacterial soap, do your whites first, and make sure your clothes get thoroughly dried. Post laundry nap optional.
 
Nothing any of us haven't already known, or said before....

puzzling for most, is their trying to save energy by using COLD water, mainly from heating the water, and yet they dry their clothes in an Electric dryer, that heating element is pulling close to 5600 Watts, so you save in one area to waste in another...

granted I prefer Gas fired appliances, water heater, and heating....still use energy, just a lot more efficient and cheaper to use...not everyone has this availability...and again I get puzzled by the one way of thinking, to save energy wash clothes in COLD water, yet dishes HAVE to be washed in HOT, or needing HOT water for a shower.....you will most likely use more HOT water in one shower, than you will washing several loads of laundry!....if you want to be THAT efficient, turn the water heater off or get rid of it!...

IMHO, for me, using a Neptune FL, HOT/Warm setting, and drying in a Gas dryer....not only gives me cleaner clothes, yet being as efficient as possible...then again, maybe I am the one with blinders on

we just also need to look at other areas of energy savings, and not just in the laundry room......
 
Health and hygiene are blessings, but they come with a cost. The trick is to figure out whether health and hygiene are worth the cost associated with proper cleaning, from bathing to everything in the household. IF these costs are reasonable to you, continue. If they are deemed too high, figure out how you can make the most efficent use of the heated water that you use and balance that against the disinfectant products that you have to use because you are using cooler water for washing laundry and surfaces. The stupidist thing that comes to mind is inadequate washing in cold water and then paying money for products to clean your filthy washer. The utility companies are as guilty as anyone in promoting cold water washing. When you think about what must be living in a washing machine to make it smell so foul, how can you consider the laundry you take out of it to be clean? If you use a washcloth to thoroughly bathe yourself, how could you consider using it again? Towels rub dead skin cells off your body. Do you really want to smear them and whatever has grown on them over your clean body the next time you shower? This further begs the question about how well cold, especially winter tap cold water in northern states, is going to remove this culture of dead cells, bacteria and body oil from your towels and washcloths and whether it will be washed and rinsed away or just transferred from the dirty laundry to the insides of the washing machine. At no other time since automatic washers have been invented have washing machines needed further cleaning after a completed cycle except maybe after doing a really horrible load.

Tests years ago showed that the most bacteria-laden surface in a kitchen is the door handle of the refrigerator.

I guess schools are not teaching anything about hygiene anymore. One of the smartest biology teachers I ever heard of was distressed by the dirt under the long fingernails of young girls. He offered to show them what was living under their fingernails by scraping a bit of the dirt onto a slide. He explained that it needed to be made wet so he added a few drops of water that he had previously taken from the aquarium. The squeals and screams were followed by scrubbing with a brush he had handy. If people could see their filth, they would be cleaner. Instead they use deodorizers which atomize oils into the air to grow more filth.
 
Effective Detergent in Cold Water:

To manage that, you are going to need some pretty nasty chemicals to activate bleaches, enzymes and the like at temperatures below 80ºF (27ºC). Are they suggesting we "save the environment" with Cold water washes, but have to use Engine-Degreaser in our detergent to get good results (i.e. remove body oils)? Antibacterial Soaps? 

 

That is ridiculous! Use the right temperature for the job, your machine will last longer, you will last longer and you will be cleaner, instead of relying on chemicals that end up creating super-dangerous bacteria. Like I've said: Once we switched from a Cold-Water only TL machine to the Miele, which heats its own water, I have not caught a cold to date (1 yr). My clothes are cleaner - not stiff or whiffy smelling straight out of the machine. The times the Miele has gone "Cold Water" on my (Automatic cycle), I can SMELL the difference!

 

As Launderess has put it, there are 3 (or four) components of laundry: Reducing any of them (Temperature, Time, Chemical and Mechanical action) requires increasing the others to compensate: Cold water washing = More detergent, More Washing time = More damage to clothes. Our Miele will increase the cycle time by about 30-40 minutes as you decrease the temperature from 140ºF (60ºC). 
 
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