supremewhirlpol
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I may actually be able to help a little on this one.
How to Hot Rod your Maytag in 4 easy steps...
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Oh!! Someone said 3 phase
This project will be quite a ways down the road - but something I'd like to look into. For those who may not know about different types of motors - 3 phase motors require a special type of wiring that normally is not accessible for residential use. There are variable controllers out there that trick the motors into thinking they have 3 phase power while working off of normal single phase. Most modern front load washers work off of this principle. For now, I'll take the current combination - just love the Load Sensor agitator with the 50hz pulley!
This project will be quite a ways down the road - but something I'd like to look into. For those who may not know about different types of motors - 3 phase motors require a special type of wiring that normally is not accessible for residential use. There are variable controllers out there that trick the motors into thinking they have 3 phase power while working off of normal single phase. Most modern front load washers work off of this principle. For now, I'll take the current combination - just love the Load Sensor agitator with the 50hz pulley!
Nice job, Ben!
I don't know about y'all, but I just can't get used to Maytag parts in FSP bags.....
I don't know about y'all, but I just can't get used to Maytag parts in FSP bags.....
scrubflex
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Finally...
That's an awesome video. I've been waiting to see this wash action in a BIG tub Maytag but, the end result is disappointing. I planned to use a 50 cycle pulley and belts set-up. That INDEXING is disturbing. There's more indexing with the 50 Hz set and power-fin agitator than the orbital 'fast short stroke' with power-fin agitator. Is there a way to stop the indexing or, reduce it? I thought about the combination of a 50 cycle set with a Wilkins Servis 'Maytag' transmission and it's 210 degree agitation stroke to create an ULTRA power-fin agitation. It may be out of the question now. BTW, I must say I am really impressed by the loadsensor agitator performance. I never would have imagined it to move clothes so well, especially in a DEEP tub with the shranked agitator base. The Maytag DC tubs are only 21" wide and 13" tall. Where as the MAYTAG's deep tub is 22" wide and 16" tall.
That's an awesome video. I've been waiting to see this wash action in a BIG tub Maytag but, the end result is disappointing. I planned to use a 50 cycle pulley and belts set-up. That INDEXING is disturbing. There's more indexing with the 50 Hz set and power-fin agitator than the orbital 'fast short stroke' with power-fin agitator. Is there a way to stop the indexing or, reduce it? I thought about the combination of a 50 cycle set with a Wilkins Servis 'Maytag' transmission and it's 210 degree agitation stroke to create an ULTRA power-fin agitation. It may be out of the question now. BTW, I must say I am really impressed by the loadsensor agitator performance. I never would have imagined it to move clothes so well, especially in a DEEP tub with the shranked agitator base. The Maytag DC tubs are only 21" wide and 13" tall. Where as the MAYTAG's deep tub is 22" wide and 16" tall.
Is there a way to stop the indexing or, reduce it?
Install a new brake package.
Chances are, you're still on the original brake package, but unless you watch the wash cycle (I've seen Maytag tubs index during the wash cycle for YEARS without the owner knowing or caring) or there's a significantly higher load put upon it, you won't recognize the problem.
Install a new brake package.
Chances are, you're still on the original brake package, but unless you watch the wash cycle (I've seen Maytag tubs index during the wash cycle for YEARS without the owner knowing or caring) or there's a significantly higher load put upon it, you won't recognize the problem.
Install a new brake package.
My hunch says that a new brake package may not resolve the issue 100 percent. The forces of faster stroke are much greater than what the brake package was originally designed for. Of the different Maytag's I've seen with the 50hz pulley - they all have indexed a little with the Power-Fin agitator. I can imagine what it would be like on an original bakelike agitator!
Ben
My hunch says that a new brake package may not resolve the issue 100 percent. The forces of faster stroke are much greater than what the brake package was originally designed for. Of the different Maytag's I've seen with the 50hz pulley - they all have indexed a little with the Power-Fin agitator. I can imagine what it would be like on an original bakelike agitator!
Ben
My hunch...?
Wait a sec - I meant "I have a hunch..."! Good grief.
BTW Kenny - I'll second that on the 'Tag parts in FSP bags.
Wait a sec - I meant "I have a hunch..."! Good grief.
BTW Kenny - I'll second that on the 'Tag parts in FSP bags.
redcarpetdrew
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This project will be quite a ways down the road
Ben, that sounds like a challenge to me... And it's something I've already been playing with on paper with a fair amount of the details worked out. I may just have to try it out now. What I have to decide is if the bearings on the dependable care platform can take 850-1200 rpm... Heh heh heh...
RCD
Ben, that sounds like a challenge to me... And it's something I've already been playing with on paper with a fair amount of the details worked out. I may just have to try it out now. What I have to decide is if the bearings on the dependable care platform can take 850-1200 rpm... Heh heh heh...
RCD
scrubflex
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they all indexed a little with the...
Then I suppose indexing is normal with the 50 hz pulley set because they were used in the overseas Maytag's. If the 50 cycle conversion set caused problems they would have stop using it. I'm not a repair guy but, if the tub brake is locked during the agitation, the tub indexing would not move beyond the normal 1/2" index-rock. Would the tub index less with a nice size 'bobload' because of the weight of the load? BTW, are you going to make more videos the power-fin, if so, can you make them with longer agitating times? The loadsensor as well.
Then I suppose indexing is normal with the 50 hz pulley set because they were used in the overseas Maytag's. If the 50 cycle conversion set caused problems they would have stop using it. I'm not a repair guy but, if the tub brake is locked during the agitation, the tub indexing would not move beyond the normal 1/2" index-rock. Would the tub index less with a nice size 'bobload' because of the weight of the load? BTW, are you going to make more videos the power-fin, if so, can you make them with longer agitating times? The loadsensor as well.
yogitunes
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Indexing...
like they said...I didn't notice mine indexing until I had the front off BEFORE the conversion and saw the tranny move a little with each stroke of the agitator....but this did not happen all the time...repairman said my brakes were slipping a bit here and there...someday may have to replace, after all it is 20 years old...but with the new conversion it only does it with a heavy load like towels...doesn't seem to affect performance...but time will tell...if it kills my bearings, I'll be calling you guys ...HELP!.....but I still would not go back to the regular pulley...it may increase wear a little bit, but its not like the increase is 50% or more...like if my agitation went from 63STM to like 93STM, that would be a hard strain on bearing and tranny...but like they said earlier, if they thought this was too hard on the machine, maytag would have never used them...
I once had a SQ solid tub reversing motor style that actually had a brake system...and during wash it wanted to index like the solenoid version but the brake held the tub still and it would squeek annoyingly..so I used WD40 every now and then to let it slip and stop the noise...
now would there be and upgrade for a Whirlpool also?....the only reason I got rid of mine in favor of the DD was that the agitation stroke didn't seem fast enough...but I noticed it picked up when I installed a new belt, and then as the belt got worn in, it got a little slower...I always wondered if I could have gotten a larger motor pulley...I gonna have to get a used Whirly and try it for the hell of it...
like they said...I didn't notice mine indexing until I had the front off BEFORE the conversion and saw the tranny move a little with each stroke of the agitator....but this did not happen all the time...repairman said my brakes were slipping a bit here and there...someday may have to replace, after all it is 20 years old...but with the new conversion it only does it with a heavy load like towels...doesn't seem to affect performance...but time will tell...if it kills my bearings, I'll be calling you guys ...HELP!.....but I still would not go back to the regular pulley...it may increase wear a little bit, but its not like the increase is 50% or more...like if my agitation went from 63STM to like 93STM, that would be a hard strain on bearing and tranny...but like they said earlier, if they thought this was too hard on the machine, maytag would have never used them...
I once had a SQ solid tub reversing motor style that actually had a brake system...and during wash it wanted to index like the solenoid version but the brake held the tub still and it would squeek annoyingly..so I used WD40 every now and then to let it slip and stop the noise...
now would there be and upgrade for a Whirlpool also?....the only reason I got rid of mine in favor of the DD was that the agitation stroke didn't seem fast enough...but I noticed it picked up when I installed a new belt, and then as the belt got worn in, it got a little slower...I always wondered if I could have gotten a larger motor pulley...I gonna have to get a used Whirly and try it for the hell of it...
Just to clarify about the 50hz pulleys. All export machines that have the 50hz pulley and 50hz motor would spin at 618 RPM, and agitate at 63 OPM. They had to increase the size of the pulley due to the fractionally slower speeds of the motors running at 50hz. There would have been no design difference for the machines when it comes to the transmission and brake - standard fare domestic parts.
Ben
Ben
yogitunes
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so actually the upgrade is just to bring the machine up to normal speed for the lower power...I understand that...but always thought these machines needed a kick for a little more boost...even the belt drive kenmore/whirlpool could use a little more...the only conversion i could do for that was in a direct drive using the kitchen aide LARGE agitator...even on the gentle speed would move clothes nicely...and on heavy duty you got some serious scrubbing...yet this larger base unit was not available in kenmore or whirlpool...wonder why?
but thats OK...we know how to do it our way...odd some people think, it just a washing machine by any other name their all the same...but model to model and agitators alike they all don't perform the same....I've seen some agitators move like crazy and the clothes stay still...all the more reason for the machine to have a glass lid or operate with the lid open...you need to see whats happening inside...
but thats OK...we know how to do it our way...odd some people think, it just a washing machine by any other name their all the same...but model to model and agitators alike they all don't perform the same....I've seen some agitators move like crazy and the clothes stay still...all the more reason for the machine to have a glass lid or operate with the lid open...you need to see whats happening inside...
scrubflex
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BEFORE the conversion and saw the tranny move...
So a brand new brake package with new ball bearings (radial and brake rotor) will make a difference. May not completely stop the indexing but, at least there will be normal movement.
So a brand new brake package with new ball bearings (radial and brake rotor) will make a difference. May not completely stop the indexing but, at least there will be normal movement.
yogitunes
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Scrubflex
yeah, i think so....but i'll wait until it gets bad...this machine i got for my mother to keep one the same level as her...no steps...whats the most she would wash maybe 2 loads a week...this should last her quite while...now if it was under heavy duty use, i might need serviced sooner...
but i definately like the upgrade, she has a DC set in the basement...i don't that set could handle the upgrade.
yeah, i think so....but i'll wait until it gets bad...this machine i got for my mother to keep one the same level as her...no steps...whats the most she would wash maybe 2 loads a week...this should last her quite while...now if it was under heavy duty use, i might need serviced sooner...
but i definately like the upgrade, she has a DC set in the basement...i don't that set could handle the upgrade.
scrubflex
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but time will tell...if it kills my bearings...
Is there any way the bearings could be replaced with more durable and sturdy ones? Just a thought.
Is there any way the bearings could be replaced with more durable and sturdy ones? Just a thought.
yogitunes
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Scrubflex
there maybe heavier dutybearing than just the originals....
when I ordered the parts for the upgrade, my supply house showed me what the had in stock as a pump upgrade...it was just a new pulley for the motor where the slot for the pump belt was the same size as the main drive belt, and of coarse a larger belt....this was for washers that were in basements and had to pump higher to the drain...again, didn't know that existed unil I inquired about getting the 50hz parts...but I would still use my original pump...
did you also realize the 50hz upgrade makes it pump out faster?...I didn't think to time it with the original and mind you I have the smaller tub, but it empties in 45 seconds...what caught my eye is that I have to now fasten the drain hose to the sink because it wants to jump out of the laundry tub kinda like a rocket blasting water...thats powerful...was wondering about the pump bearings spinning too fast also, but considering the pump upgrade available, it should handle it...
these machines are really built solid, so I would be suprised if the bearings would fail...
I never use to like maytags...the repairmen I have spoken to have always said these machines last so long because under any strain of a load, the motor would slide in, and give in to any strain of working hard rather than kick in and handle the load...like a speed queen would churn a load no matter how heavy...I wasn't able to see many tags at work, but went with their opinion, they should know, my opinion was never talk to a salesman but talk to the repair guys, they know what lasts and works...also sinceI can tweek a few of these machines...they seem to be great performers...3 of my sets are maytags...go figure!
there maybe heavier dutybearing than just the originals....
when I ordered the parts for the upgrade, my supply house showed me what the had in stock as a pump upgrade...it was just a new pulley for the motor where the slot for the pump belt was the same size as the main drive belt, and of coarse a larger belt....this was for washers that were in basements and had to pump higher to the drain...again, didn't know that existed unil I inquired about getting the 50hz parts...but I would still use my original pump...
did you also realize the 50hz upgrade makes it pump out faster?...I didn't think to time it with the original and mind you I have the smaller tub, but it empties in 45 seconds...what caught my eye is that I have to now fasten the drain hose to the sink because it wants to jump out of the laundry tub kinda like a rocket blasting water...thats powerful...was wondering about the pump bearings spinning too fast also, but considering the pump upgrade available, it should handle it...
these machines are really built solid, so I would be suprised if the bearings would fail...
I never use to like maytags...the repairmen I have spoken to have always said these machines last so long because under any strain of a load, the motor would slide in, and give in to any strain of working hard rather than kick in and handle the load...like a speed queen would churn a load no matter how heavy...I wasn't able to see many tags at work, but went with their opinion, they should know, my opinion was never talk to a salesman but talk to the repair guys, they know what lasts and works...also sinceI can tweek a few of these machines...they seem to be great performers...3 of my sets are maytags...go figure!
scrubflex
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heavier duty bearings...
That is AWESOME Yogi! This will take care of wear and tear on the brake bearings and transmission. They'll be able to handle the forces of faster strokes and faster spins much better. All we need now is to find these parts/pn's. The pump upgrade is excellent news because I wondered if there was a better pump. Not a better pump, a better way. BTW, did you notice how hard it was for the SuperTag to start the spin cycle? Does your Maytag work the same way? Also, wouldn't Maytag's DC (1/2 HP motor) drive the tranny and pump with more power because it's a bigger?
That is AWESOME Yogi! This will take care of wear and tear on the brake bearings and transmission. They'll be able to handle the forces of faster strokes and faster spins much better. All we need now is to find these parts/pn's. The pump upgrade is excellent news because I wondered if there was a better pump. Not a better pump, a better way. BTW, did you notice how hard it was for the SuperTag to start the spin cycle? Does your Maytag work the same way? Also, wouldn't Maytag's DC (1/2 HP motor) drive the tranny and pump with more power because it's a bigger?
mayfan69
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How about the 'Power Flex 12' agitator?
Hey Ben,
How do you think the 'Power Flex 12' agitator would go in the super 'tag? Considering it has the shorter fins, the turnover would be just as good as the 'Load Sensor' and maybe not put as much strain on the transmission as the flexi fin??
Just a thought.
Leon
Hey Ben,
How do you think the 'Power Flex 12' agitator would go in the super 'tag? Considering it has the shorter fins, the turnover would be just as good as the 'Load Sensor' and maybe not put as much strain on the transmission as the flexi fin??
Just a thought.
Leon
scrubflex
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stainless steel...
Mayfan69, how big is the SS tub in your Wilkins Servis washer? I see there's only 9/8 rows of holes in the tub, but that's the same amount in Maytag's standard size tubs. It also uses the large size Power-Fin 8 agitator. What's the deal?
Mayfan69, how big is the SS tub in your Wilkins Servis washer? I see there's only 9/8 rows of holes in the tub, but that's the same amount in Maytag's standard size tubs. It also uses the large size Power-Fin 8 agitator. What's the deal?
mayfan69
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Size of SS Bowl
I'm not sure where you were counting from Harry, but i just checked and there are 18 rows of holes in the Wilkins Servis bowl.
The bowl is the same size as the deeper extra large white porcelain tubs of the Maytags.
Keep in mind the stainless steel bowl was unique to Wilkins Servis and Australia, but would fit in a Maytag as they use the same components.
Cheers
Leon
I'm not sure where you were counting from Harry, but i just checked and there are 18 rows of holes in the Wilkins Servis bowl.
The bowl is the same size as the deeper extra large white porcelain tubs of the Maytags.
Keep in mind the stainless steel bowl was unique to Wilkins Servis and Australia, but would fit in a Maytag as they use the same components.
Cheers
Leon
yogitunes
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The very first spin
the motor shut down...overheated...but my error was I had put three springs on the motor mount...ok for the regular pulleys but not for this one...motor cooled down, took one spring off, and it has worked fine ever since...
but a 1/2hp motor would be a nice option...a little extra kick in horse power for torque...may have to look into that next...I'll ask the next time I visit the parts shop...
odd for me is that my machine being a TOL digital and is only a single speed motor...
the motor shut down...overheated...but my error was I had put three springs on the motor mount...ok for the regular pulleys but not for this one...motor cooled down, took one spring off, and it has worked fine ever since...
but a 1/2hp motor would be a nice option...a little extra kick in horse power for torque...may have to look into that next...I'll ask the next time I visit the parts shop...
odd for me is that my machine being a TOL digital and is only a single speed motor...
scrubflex
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counting from...only a single speed ...
Hey Leon, not exactly 9 rows but, 9 leading rows and 8 in-between rows of holes.
That number is in the standard size tub. The extra large tub has 11 leading rows and 10 in-between rows.
There is another way to find out.
The power-fin agitator base is 13 3/4" wide, measuring from the AB to the sides of the tub is either 4" or 4 1/8" making the tub 21 3/4" or 22" wide (DIAMETER).
Maytag's DEEP tub is also 16" tall.
Check it out.
And yes, a 1/2 hp motor is definitely a nice option Yogi.
That extra kick makes the agitating stroke much stronger.
Now imagine the the 'power-fin agitator' with a '1/2 hp motor', the 'maytag-wilkins servis transmission' that has a '210 degree arc' plus the '50 hz pulley set-up' inside a WS 'stainless steel' extra large DEEP tub.
Oh! the beauty of it!
Oh yeah, Yogi your TOL digital is a rebuilt. That model, for sure, is a 2 speeder.
Harry
Hey Leon, not exactly 9 rows but, 9 leading rows and 8 in-between rows of holes.
That number is in the standard size tub. The extra large tub has 11 leading rows and 10 in-between rows.
There is another way to find out.
The power-fin agitator base is 13 3/4" wide, measuring from the AB to the sides of the tub is either 4" or 4 1/8" making the tub 21 3/4" or 22" wide (DIAMETER).
Maytag's DEEP tub is also 16" tall.
Check it out.
And yes, a 1/2 hp motor is definitely a nice option Yogi.
That extra kick makes the agitating stroke much stronger.
Now imagine the the 'power-fin agitator' with a '1/2 hp motor', the 'maytag-wilkins servis transmission' that has a '210 degree arc' plus the '50 hz pulley set-up' inside a WS 'stainless steel' extra large DEEP tub.
Oh! the beauty of it!
Oh yeah, Yogi your TOL digital is a rebuilt. That model, for sure, is a 2 speeder.
Harry
How do you think the 'Power Flex 12' agitator would
Great idea Leon! The base of the Power Flex 12 is almost identical to the Load Sensor, but it sure would be nice to have a Maytag that doesn't sound like a DD Shreadmore ;-)
I'll give it a shot this weekend, and possibly run a video.
Ben
Great idea Leon! The base of the Power Flex 12 is almost identical to the Load Sensor, but it sure would be nice to have a Maytag that doesn't sound like a DD Shreadmore ;-)
I'll give it a shot this weekend, and possibly run a video.
Ben
yogitunes
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dag gone it....now you guys got me thinking about more upgrades...sad part is that i have all these agitators for the large capacities....and mine is the smaller one...so I have to stick with the blue power fin...i have installed the 12 vane and the load sensor on in to test and they work great but i would have to leave the softner off...too tall....just my luck...but if my bearings give out, I might upgrade again to the larger tub chassis...but this stacked set was designed with the smaller tub to match the dryer...we'll see
yogitunes
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LSE1000
asked at the part store...because of it being stacked 1000 model unit it only comes as a one speed....
the regular stand alone digital washers are 2 speed....not that I ever use the lower speed anyway...but with the faster agitation it would be nice on small water levels...you can't leave the lid open during this...you're soaked...but great for scrubbing greasy work clothes!
asked at the part store...because of it being stacked 1000 model unit it only comes as a one speed....
the regular stand alone digital washers are 2 speed....not that I ever use the lower speed anyway...but with the faster agitation it would be nice on small water levels...you can't leave the lid open during this...you're soaked...but great for scrubbing greasy work clothes!
scrubflex
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9 rows but...
Sorry, correction-9 leading rows, 9 in-between for large, 11 leading and 11 in-between for the extra large tubs. I checked out the digital stacked brochures and it doesn't mention the speeds of the motor. I assumed it did because of the delicate/knit cycle. I know there's extra slish-splash but, no one ever make videos of small loads been washed. Except one speed queen washer on YouTube. It would be cool to see the loadsensor, powerflex 12 and the power-fin doing (WASH-RINSE-SPIN) small loads on video.
Sorry, correction-9 leading rows, 9 in-between for large, 11 leading and 11 in-between for the extra large tubs. I checked out the digital stacked brochures and it doesn't mention the speeds of the motor. I assumed it did because of the delicate/knit cycle. I know there's extra slish-splash but, no one ever make videos of small loads been washed. Except one speed queen washer on YouTube. It would be cool to see the loadsensor, powerflex 12 and the power-fin doing (WASH-RINSE-SPIN) small loads on video.
*applause*
NICELY done.
Now all you need is one of these, and the slaps will positively come a'flying your way from all across the Internet! ;-)
NICELY done.
Now all you need is one of these, and the slaps will positively come a'flying your way from all across the Internet! ;-)
yogitunes
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Roto24
that agitator is for the norge built maytags...this should have a bolt down thru the middle...on a helical or orbital drive, the agitator has a small screw on the side that holds it in place...this is what I was told...because I wanted one of these for my orbital DC washer and they told me it would not fit...the first maytag i ever owned was a helical drive with the power flex with the lint filter built in and I wanted a load sensor one for it..they wouldn't sell it to me cause my machine did not have the self cleaning filter...so i went online and got one...like those self cleaning screens actually work....
that agitator is for the norge built maytags...this should have a bolt down thru the middle...on a helical or orbital drive, the agitator has a small screw on the side that holds it in place...this is what I was told...because I wanted one of these for my orbital DC washer and they told me it would not fit...the first maytag i ever owned was a helical drive with the power flex with the lint filter built in and I wanted a load sensor one for it..they wouldn't sell it to me cause my machine did not have the self cleaning filter...so i went online and got one...like those self cleaning screens actually work....
harold
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Agitator
<font color=purple>What is the part # for the Maytag cork screw agitator? And where did you order your belts and your pulley from?
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Oh yes, will this work in my Maytag # LAT9635AAE ?
<font color=purple>What is the part # for the Maytag cork screw agitator? And where did you order your belts and your pulley from?
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Oh yes, will this work in my Maytag # LAT9635AAE ?
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