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thing I understood was the TSP, the STPP, the CMC (dispersant) and the little bottle of scent that was added. Everything else was a mystery to me!
Wonder what that thick brown liquid was?
 
I'm sure...

The Liquid, was sodium laruth sulfate, or, the magical chemical to give nice, good o'l froth, it's also a good surfactant.

The thing about the TSP Is, I could see it helping with stain removal, while the STPP is offering water softening, and suspending the dirt & soils from redepositing.

I've always been very, very curious to make a good quality washing powder. Maybe not Eco Friendly, but, something that preforms similarty to old skool detergent from the 70'S.

It'd sure be a fun weekend project... :)
 
For Better Or Worse

TSP was once used as a water softening agent and booster in laundry. Have seen it mentioned in several older manuals for housecleaning/professional laundry. Mind you they also recommended milder agents such as washing soda (better) or STPP (best) but sometimes you have to work with what was at hand.

Yes, TSP is very alkaline, more so than washing soda, however one simply used less of it. Old school laundry persons who had to soften water and or build the strength of *detergent* ( usually soap in those days), were intimately aware of the quality of local water. Thus they could develop a sense or formula that suited conditions on the ground.

Modern detergent makers OTHO have to develop products that suit a wide variation of water and soil conditions. In the past commercial and domestic detergents such as Tide and one assumes some other detergents were formulated to take into account local water hardness and distributed accordingly. In days gone by this included producing products both with and without phosphates based upon local laws.
 
For some reason, I didn't understand a word the guy in t

He was speaking some foreign (to us) language with English words thrown in for words his language probably doesn't have equivalents for. Did I hear a goat at 0:37?

The website given doesn't seem to exist, but the country code in the phone number (97 with a 0 as the next number) points to Palestine/Egypt.

My guess is that the last addition (colored or coloured crystals) was additional scent or coloring.

Chuck
 
@supersuds..

You wouldn't happen to have a box on hand, that mentions any of the ingredients do you?

I found a very old MSDS for All Powder with Phosphates, however, I know it's probably not anything close to the old BBB Forumla..

http://householdproducts.nlm.nih.go...002001&query=all+detergent&searchas=TblBrands

I guess one could work on a formula that contains Borax, Sodium Perborate or Percarbonate (Bleach), and a very small amount of Bluing Powder..

I've also discovered, that one can also find Enzymes, in Meat Tenderizer from the Grocery store..

Sodium Sulfate (pretty sure it's just filler) could be replaced with Table Salt.. or Sodium Carbonate.
 
It may be carcinogenic and once you put clothes on that have been washed in this your skin will slough off.

Could be that it's a Sunni recipe to cleanse away the Shia.
 
1996 All MSDS

I would be very surprised if they were still putting phosphates in All at that late date. Every box I saw from the early Eighties on said No Phosphates, and in this area, we got the phosphate version of detergents that were still being made (all of the P&G brands, as well as Fab, Surf, and the short-lived Clorox detergent).

Of course, most of the basic ingredients are standard, anyway. Things like the MSDS don't give all the proprietary tweaks.

As for a list of the old All with BB&B ingredients, the boxes don't say anything except that it has bleach, borax, brighteners and 8.7% phosphorus. :( That's why I was thinking about a chemical analysis, to get a detailed breakdown...just a daydream, though.
 
Have That Same Box (Well maybe mine is *bigger*

*LOL*

And can tell you there isn't any "bleach" other than what Borax provides. Am working on the theory that none of the usual warnings about oxygen bleach and color loss (say if product came into contact with textiles directly) are listed. Also remember finding *something* about this Monsanto detergent.

If you want a good late night read, there is this:

http://www.leagle.com/decision/19631103216FSupp887_1938
 
Can tell you this without reading any legalese, Monsanto is the satan of corporations. Unless you already know, you can't imagine the depth of their satanity. That's now. When they invented All, maybe not so much.

Today, Monsanto is in EVERYthing you eat, whether you--or the farmers who grow it--like it or not. Why doesn't media tell us these things? Because Monsanto will do to them what they do to farmers whose fields become infected with M's GMOs. Sue.

Monsanto will sue you to DEATH. Literally. Again, unless you already know, you have no idea. It's all documented, but don't go researching it unless you are prepared to get really pissed off about something over which you have zero control.

Even Congress has no control. To the contrary, Monsanto owns Congress. You thought it was only Archer Daniels Midland and high fructose corn syrup? If only!
 
TSP

What is that? For me, just an abbrevation for "teaspoon" by now... And why using Borax and sodium perborate at the same time? AFAIK boron is unwanted in the wastewater as it enhances algae growth...
 
Just found this... about Monsanto.

In 1946, it developed "All" laundry detergent and began to market it; they sold the product line to Lever Brothers in 1957.[22] In 1947, one of its factories was destroyed in the Texas City Disaster.[23] Monsanto acquired American Viscose from England's Courtauld family in 1949. In 1954 Monsanto partnered with German chemical giant Bayer to form Mobay and market polyurethanes in the United States.
 
Thanks, but...

...as you wrote that Borax and sodium perborate are both oxygene demerging chemicals... Aren't they both just the same substance? I do use boron as a nutritive supplement, by the way...
 
There's a difference..

The Sodium Percarbonate has much more bleaching power vs just plain Borax..

This little piece, from another site, may be worth reading.

Washing Soda�Sodium Carbonate (Na2CO3) (Na = Sodium, water softening)

Sodium softens water by binding with Calcium and Magnesium forming solid, which can be rinsed off the fabric. �However, if not rinsed thoroughly, the minerals can redeposit onto the fabric and cause problems. �

Washing soda's PH is 11, very caustic (neutral PH is 7). Need to wear gloves to handle. �If not rinsed well, may cause skin irritation on baby's skin. �It doesn't dissolve in water as fast as baking soda, and its molecule is sharp, and can rub and damage thin fabrics. �Theoretically baking soda is sharp too, but since it dissolves in water so easily, it rarely damages fabric. �

Two things about washing soda that are great. �One, it has 2 sodium in its chemical formation, very effective in softening water. Two, it's very caustic (ph 11) so it's great in degreasing and removing stain.

Baking Soda�Sodium Bicarbonate (NaHCO3) �(notice: only half of Sodium as Washing Soda)

Baking Soda's PH is slightly base, not as alkaline as washing soda, so it doesn't cause skin irritation and you don't need gloves to handle them. It also dissolves faster in water than washing soda. �On the same token, since it's not as alkaline as Washing Soda, its stain removing power is not as effective. Also, since it only has one sodium in its chemical formation, its water softening power is half of washing soda's. �

Again, if it doesn't dissolve in water completely (don't see how that can be, unless you use way too much), it can rub and damage fabric. If you use baking soda in kitchen to scrub clean pots and stove top (super effective), you'll know exactly what I mean.�I think that's why BG discourages use of baking soda, although they should be more concerned about washing soda.

Borax�Sodium Borate (Na2B4O7·10H2O)

Contrarary to popular belief, borax doesn't soften water nearly as effectively as washing soda or even baking soda. �Look at the chemical formation. �Sodium is a tiny part of its formation. � When Borate (=Borax) is combined with a specific kind of acid, it softens water, but not on its own. Here's my source.�

Borax has great cleaning power though. That's why homemade detergent recipe always has this and washing soda. �Its PH is 9.5, pretty base and can remove stains. �It also breaks down into Hydrogen Peroxide (main ingredient in OxiClean), which behaves like, well, OxiClean! See Oxiclean for more details.

Oxiclean active ingredients: Something similar to Washing Soda + Hydrogen Peroxide H2O2

It's pretty much like Washing Soda + Hydrogen Peroxide. That's why homemade laundry detergent recipes always call for Washing Soda + Borax (which turns some water molecules to Hydrogen Peroxide). When Hydrogen Peroxide meets water, it breaks down into Oxygen and Water, forming little bubbles like soda. That's how it bleaches and cleans.

Vinegar

Vinegar use is controversial in the diaper washing world. �I read tons of links and my personal unscientific conclusion is, it depends on your water. Vinegar MAY react with some minerals in YOUR hard water. �So just give it a try in the final rinse cycle. �Part of the purpose is to neutralize the PH in water, especially when you have hard water and use alkaline detergents such as washing/baking soda and borax (and ALL of commercial power laundry detergents have some of them as the main ingredient, i'll explain more later). If you're not convinced you've not thoroughly rinsed off washing soda or borax, and worry that it'll irritate your baby's skin when wet, you can try white vinegar to neutralize these base molecules.

It's trial and error. �If you use vinegar and it causes funny things, stop. �If you don't use vinegar and you have problems, try it. �One thing I know for sure, if you add too much, it'll damage fabric (PUL is very fragile) and elastics. �That's just common sense though. �We all know vinegar dissolves things because it's acid.

Calgon (Ingredients? too long, check here)

Calgon is a non-precipitating (doesn't form solids) water conditioner and binds the minerals into a solution that does not redeposit on clothing or the inside of the washer. It must be added to both the wash water and the rinse water for highest effectiveness. It is more gentle to clothing and skin. It is also more expensive to use. I think it's the best water softening solution next to installing a water softener for your house. You don't need to worry about not washing your baking/soda clean, and nobody has claimed that Calgon damages their diaper.

What's the catch, you ask. Well, it's really really hard to find. I have to order online.
 

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