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(they got rid of satellite TV because they couldn't figure out how to work the remote).

Were these older people? There is an amount of service calls the cable/satellite people get because the people don't know how to use the remote because they are too old. The most common complaint is that they get a new television and somehow they pressed the "input select" button and have selected an unused input and they get nothing on the screen. The service guy shows up and tells them it HAS to be set on Input1 or something like that before it will work. He resets the input to input1 and leaves. Then a few weeks later he is back to fix the same problem again.
 
Oh yeah, they are. Retired academic and his Mrs.... Funny thing is their TV is in more of a direct line to Sears Tower whereas mine is in the far corner form it yet I get a good picture.
 
Ah, retired academia. We are friends with a former MIT professor, retired. He was in the engineering department. He has a Mac computer. He won't deal with Windows, it's too hard. But he makes a monthly trip to the Apple Store to find out things like how to copy a file, how to delete a file, etc.

You gotta watch them, they tend to live in their own little world, right on the ragged edge of reality. I told him he could just ask me, but he said he wants someone who it totally MacIntosh qualified. After all you can stay as long as you want at the Genius bar at the Apple Store because it's free!

We told DirecTV to turn our service off on August 13. Guess what we still have?
 
 
My grandmother had that problem with the remote ... selecting the wrong control function (VCR, DVD, satellite, whatever), then the TV wouldn't respond.  I opened the remote, placed bits of paper between a few of the buttons and their contacts to effectively disable them.  No more trouble on that point.  Unfortunately the TV input select is part of the channel scroll so no way to disable that.  Occasionally I'll come there and find her taking a nap or in bed in the evening, the TV left on set at "component 1" input or some such with a blue screen.  Of late she has taken to unplugging it when she can't figure out how to turn it off.
 
Oh yeah, my neighbor was in, well, languages, so not technical. I think he lets his wife deal with that and sticks to his books - she's not better with reality either. He's wonderful, always smiling and charming.
 
Have never had cable or satellite in our houses...

so have had to deal with OTA forever... we only watch PBS, can't abide commercials. But we do miss not having old movies &c, however with 3 PBS channels here and 4 in VT (LOVE those foreign detective shows on PBS' MHz channel - Beck, Van Veerteren, Wallender the Swedish version, Maigret &c &c... and Montalbano is a scream!.) So it's no sacrifice, and one can always watch cooking shows on Create if the selection is sucky on the other ones. However we HATE digital OTA, analog was so much more dependable once dialed in. This thing with massive signal disruption when people walk around is absolutely infuriating!
 
This thing with massive signal disruption when people walk a

Yes, that is what gets on our nerves as well. Not just within the room but for us anything that passes outside the windows or even in the air (aircraft) can cause disruptions of signals. While frustrating you can turn on the signal meter from the converter box and see the thing go up and down.

Have learned pretty much to leave the antenna alone as the disruptions normally will work themselves out. However as stated upthread would never consider recording OTA programming. It is just too unpredictable. You may have a complete perfect program, then again you may not.
 
Wallender the Swedish version

We have that on local PBS as well, they are showing repeat of last year's series so don't know if Thirteen is getting anything new.

For awhile couldn't figure the thing out. Why do persons have British accents but the countryside looks nothing like anything we remember from the UK. I mean I know parts of Britain are barren, cold and so forth, but not like that! *LOL*

We've got a great new series on PBS this fall "Last Tango In Halifax"! Great to see Derek Jacobi still going strong after all these years. Sir Jacobi was one of the first actors we remember from early PBS of our youth in "I Claudius". IIRC he and his partner spend lots of time on our side of the pond in New York.

 
Yes, Jacobi is one of the greats of stage, film, and video.

I first became acqainted with his work, of course, with I, Claudius. Truly a masterpiece of television programming and his performance as Claudius was such that I cannot imagine anyone else doing it. Later on I enjoyed him in Cadfael, a sort of medieval Sherlock Holmes series. I also remember him protraying Hitler in Inside the Third Reich, in which role he was good enough but probably not the best pairing for his very intellectual approach.

With regard to digital broadcasts. Here, the quality is generally excellent. However bad weather can cause occasional dropouts, which may be accentuated by nearby air traffic or even my neighbors wandering around in their second story bedroom. If the latter is the case, I may invest in a taller antenna support. But generally, no complaints. And I get six different PBS stations here... can't quibble about that!
 
Am Really Just Loving This!

In the past two weeks have seen tons of films that one has always been curious about but never got around to renting, and they never made it onto television we've seen elsewhere.

Sabrina - Audrey Hepburn at her most beautiful. That gorgeous Long Island "Gold Coast" mansion.

Teacher's Pet - Clark Gable seems a bit long in the tooth to be chasing after Doris Day, but it was a great film. Gig Young was one cool tall glass of water!

Come Back Little Sheba - Anyone who only thinks of Shirley Booth as no more than Hazel should see this film. Was nearly in tears by the ending.

The Last Picture Show - Small southern town America in the 1950's. Was *forbidden* to see this film when it was released in movie houses, and now can see why. Frontal nudity? Sex? This picture has it all. The cast is made up of so many names that went on to do great things. From Ellen Burstyn, Cloris Leachman, Timothy Bottoms, and Cybill Shepard.

Come Back To The Five & Dime Jimmy Dean...- Cher! That is all one has to say. But there is an total ensemble cast that totally rocks this movie including the late Karen Black who plays a transgender.

Haven't watched a DVD or VHS tape since we went OTA.
 
Launderess ...

... I'm all about "retro", but I draw the line at less-than perfect and instant TV channels. I just can't go back.

New Yorkers have always been spoiled. For decades, ALL signals came from the Empire State Building ... and later, the World Trade Center. They didn't have to constantly change the position of either their rabbit ears (or for the more fortunate, those of us with rooftop aerials) each time they changed the channel. You see, in most cities, television stations aren't all clustered in the same geographic area. I grew up in the Pittsburgh area, where the network affiliates were scattered all over the place (the ABC affiliate in particular hidden behind a mountain).

Each channel change required the repositioning of the antenna. And as you're finding out, depending on the weather ... atmospheric conditions ... or what your neighbors were cooking for dinner ... for each station, the antenna position was almost never in the same position twice.

This is actually what gave rise to the all-important "network lead-in" for local television news programming. And why as someone who works in network television news today, I'm frustrated with local news directors hiding behind that antiquated excuse for their poor ratings numbers.

This is how it worked: It's Wednesday night in my household in Pittsburgh, 1978. There's no such thing as VCRs (at least for "regular" people like us), and certainly no such thing yet as TiVO or "On Demand". So if you miss your program, you've missed it -- F O R E V E R -- or at least until the "rerun" the following summer.

I want to watch my favorite program, "Charlie's Angels". On the "big" color TV in the living room. It's on ABC, which is carried by the notoriously weak-signalled affiliate station, WTAE. So it takes a lot of trial and error manipulating the electric rotor on top of the TV set to reposition the rooftop aerial (which moved painfully slow and only in one direction, so if you accidentally passed up the "good" position it had to do a complete 360 to get back to it).

The whole process could take upwards of a good 5-7 minutes to "tune in" the channel. You had to do it early, before the show starts, which means if you were watching something else on another channel, you had to either sacrifice the last few minutes of that program, or the first few minutes of "Charlie's Angels" (which, incidentally, was why every show always had a good minute or so of a "theme song" before the actual program started -- and why today's shows have moved away from that, because it's no longer necessary).

But it was AFTER the network programming when things started getting crucial for the local stations. I'm watching ABC on the "color" TV from 10p-11p. My parents were die-hard viewers of the 11p news on ... KDKA ... the CBS affiliate. So this meant one of two things: either I miss the last crucial minutes of my crime drama so KDKA will be tuned in by 11p, or my parents miss the top story on KDKA News while we fiddle with the rotor.

OR ... WTAE News picks up an extra household on Wednesday night, because we've decided to just keep the set tuned to WTAE for ITS 11p news.

THAT is how a strong network lead-in led to more viewers for local news.

Today, however, it's completely meaningless. We change channels instantly and effortlessly. No one "tunes in" the TV and leaves it on that same channel out of convenience anymore. And it's why local news directors can no longer blame their lousy ratings on the network programming that immediately precedes their lame-assed local news broadcasts.

And this concludes this session of Educate Me, Maybe.
 
there is another inexpensive option

for those in certain areas.  Here is a little write up from an Aero user in Manhattan:

 

Official AEREO Discussion Thread

filmgene replied to this thread on September 25, 11:48 am

I have had the Aereo service for about six months in Manhattan. It is not perfect, but it serves my OTA stations problem, having cut my cable, in a city in which an antenna simply does not work. There are two ways to access it in my situation. You can use the private channel on Roku or you can access the aereo app on a computer or iOS device and Airplay it to your tv.

There can be some buffering at times, but it is generally reliable. For about $8 per month, they offer you 20 hours of DVR service in the cloud which is comparable to a Tivo. You can fast forward, fast back, erase or keep programs as you watch them or delete them. They have a good on-screen guide from which you can schedule shows to record, either one at a time or automatically for each new episode.

As I say, video playback is pretty good, although stereo only, no surround sound. There are occassional artifacts, but I suspect the culprit is dips in the wireless signal., affecting buffering. At its best, it is pretty good, priced reasonably and solves the problem nicely. An occasional glitch, but unless you are a perfectionist, it solves the antenna problem in troublesome areas quite nicely.

 
Laundress,

Did you get all those movies off the air, or via an internet streaming solution?

If off the air, I'm jealous, cause that means your local PBS station(s) have way more movie content than KQED out here.

Still, I've noticed they've started showing movies not only Saturday night prime time, but also in the middle of the afternoon some Sundays.

My most recent viewing pleasure has been the America's Cup races. Watched every one, and recorded most of the finals onto DVD. Don't know if I'll ever get around to watching them again, but it was nice to see those boats do such phenomenal speeds in the Bay. It also brought back memories of when I used to crew on racing sailboats in the Bay. Local sailors have long maintained that SF Bay has some of the best wind and water for racing in the world.
 
Kind Of Makes Sense

Fox owns this "Movies!" channel. IIRC they do own a large archive of motion pictures.

Just saw "Hush, Hush, Sweet Charlotte" again this morning. It has been on before but seeing it again (and again) has allowed one to delve deeper into the "backstory".

Always wondered why Charlotte Hollis left that music box she so loved (a gift from her dead lover), behind as she exits her home for the last time. Now understand that after overhearing Miriam and Dr. Dru tell how John Mayhew was a "womanizer", Charlotte realizes he wasn't really in love with her as she thought.

Jewel Mayhew must have either been very angry and or strong willed to chop up her husband. Wonder why she didn't tell in her letter what happened to the head and hands.

Under the old Hollywood code evil woman had to "pay" by the end of the film, and in HHSS it happens, just not the one you think. Miriam *was* the evil one and gets what is coming to her; Charlotte is released from >30 years of torment even though she will probably live out her days in an asylum of some sort. Which one assumes even then was better than being sent to prison.

Looked up the man who played Luke, the sheriff and he was married to Celeste Holm, who lived just across Central Park and passed away earlier this year, or was it last year?
 
This morning we woke up to find out DirecTV service turned off. Finally! We asked them to disconnect on Aug 13, but they just got around to it now.

So I set up the Homeworkx converter box and the Winegard Mini Flat indoor antenna.
We can get all the major network stations, all the PBS stations and ALL the Spanish and religious stations. We can't get MeTV or Movies! They show up in the scan list but when you go to tune them in the screen is black. I may need to upgrade the antenna. I tried it around the room but only one place seems to work well for the majority of stations. And then again there is always the rooftop antenna.

For those of you with a Roku box, when you set it up does it ask for the password of your local area network?
 
They show up in the scan list but when you go to tune them i

Sometimes you may have to move the antenna about for some channels. If your tuner scan picked up the station then that usually means (in our experience) that it got a decent enough signal to know what is possible.

Yes, a lot of the "free" stations are Spanish and or Asian religious programming. That is why I tell persons now not to get so fired up about receiving large numbers of channels OTA. It can and usually turns out that only a small number contain programming you would watch on a regular basis anyway.

We get lots of "normal" Spanish stations, mostly second, third and other spinoffs from Univision and Telemundo. Get to keep up with my novellas and what not, and it is good to see news programming from a different point of view.
 
 
<blockquote>For those of you with a Roku box, when you set it up does it ask for the password of your local area network?</blockquote> Been a while since I went through the setup process but I'm sure it did.  I imagine it must have the password if there's security on the WiFi, otherwise it can't connect.
 

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