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[william8]

Knowledge.

15% is optimistic and not enough. That number will drop further when everything becomes all electric.

Solar and wind is exceptionally, prohibitively expensive on a mass scale for the power and reliability given.

Where do you get your (lack of) knowledge? Solar and wind are well known to be the cheapest. Nuclear the MOST expensive.

https://decarbonization.visualcapitalist.com/the-cheapest-sources-of-electricity-in-the-us/

And reliability? With 83% renewable/carbon free power generation, my electric company has an uptime of 99.989%. I haven't had a power outage in years.

https://cherrylandelectric.coop/2025/03/keeping-score/

No offense, but how old are you? I'm 61, and a lot of people my age and older seem to fight change and progress. Aren't you a lot younger than I?

I've always been for progress, and not letting China kill us on every single technology that's out there. They're going to take this over as well. GO USA!

 

[Chetlaham]

Upfront.

Nuclear also has the smallest footprint, the most longevity, the most reliability and the most dependability.

In the long run it is cheap.

The uptime you speak of is the byproduct of fossil fuel.

 

[wayupnorth]

Like I had said earlier and William 8 said. Canada is blowing us away with Hydro Power. We used to have that but environmentalist said they stop fish going up a river. I say I dont care, put the dams back and give us cheap, reliable, renewable power

 

[Chetlaham]

Yes, because Canada has rivers. Not every place is that fortunate. For that, there is nuclear.

 

[william8]

Upfront.

Nuclear also has the smallest footprint, the most longevity, the most reliability and the most dependability.

In the long run it is cheap.

The uptime you speak of is the byproduct of fossil fuel.

Nonsense. The uptime is because they are a non-profit coop that actually reinvests in maintaining their grid. They don't run out of power. It's 83% renewable, carbon free. If they had to keep switching back to fossil fuels the number would be lower.

Like I said, I'm not against nuclear, it's just not realistic. 6-12 years to get a new plant online. Even longer when the protests start. And by cheaper over time, you're talking decades more. We'll be dead long before it's cheaper.

As of June 2025, 41 plants in the US have been decommissioned. The only two new reactors built in the U.S. in the last 30 years are at the Plant Vogtle in Georgia, and there are plans to start building 10 more by 2030. That will put us at 29 plant less than we used to have. That's the reality, or will be 11 to 17 years from now.

 

[phillymatt53]

Oh, a cult member. Sorry, I didn't know. And you called me gullible...

They don't harm aquatic life. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66928305

All alternative energy, even if it's just solar on one house, reduces the load on the grid. But let's avoid progress at any cost.

I didn't call you gullible, or anything.
I don't belong to ahy cult, either.
I also don't believe everything posted online, as you link might suggest.
And yes, solar on my friend's house did reduce the load on the griid, once it burned to the ground.

Try again, it's not working.

 

[william8]

I didn't call you gullible, or anything.
I don't belong to ahy cult, either.
I also don't believe everything posted online, as you link might suggest.
And yes, solar on my friend's house did reduce the load on the griid, once it burned to the ground.

Try again, it's not working.

You called everyone that believes in clean energy gullible:

You keep up the rhetoric of how those so-called fabulous sources of power are worthy
But I highly doubt you'll win over many people. - likely the gullible ones at best.

I've only heard one person besides you claim that wind mills kill whales. I can't find one scientist that believes that's true. You didn't have anything to back up solar problems either, except an anecdotal story. There are plenty of fires caused by electrical panels on regular electricity each year too.

I had a neighbor's house blow up and burn to the ground from a gas leak when I was a kid. But I'm not going to use some odd edge case to claim gas is not safe

Even left-wingers have complained.

Yeah, it's clear you are a member of the cult.

You can try again if you like. But use real facts.