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Sorry about my last post -- apparently I hit the wrong key and it sent. Anyway, my new machines are awful. The dryer's "auto dry" cycle leaves clothes damp even at the highest heat setting. I have hated modern machines ever since the mid 1980s and these lovely vintage 2017 machines are terrible. I found that the "Normal" rinse cycle doesn't even agitate. It does a partial fill and then drains/spins. Anyway, I hope I can keep my older machines going until I die. Hate modern technology!
 
That is a newer Whirlpool Belt Drive Washer. I don't like these new belt drives at all. Automatic Dry is a gimmick on most modern dryers, I would use the Timed Drying Cycle. YouTube user Sharkie626 will explain why the new Whirlpool Belt Drive Washer is worse than th Whirlpool Direct Drive Washer. I'll put it in the link.

 
that's the thing with youtube....they will let any fool post a video...credible or not....fact or fiction....

then again, whats the real issue, the ones who post?, or the ones who watch and believe everything they see?.....if anything, I figure this a comedy type of vid..

obviously there is not one single video of "How to fix stupid!".....

just masterful understated observations considering it comes from total idiots....

for HALF the people who don't like, or lets be serious, have no clue how to properly operate one of these units...

of those half, who toss these machines out.....I come along to pick them up, only to find out there is nothing wrong with it.....it works perfect.....and Re-Sell for a clear and free profit....

again, SOLD to the other HALF who are tickled pink to buy a machine for half the price of new....that works as it should!....

guess who laughing all the way to the bank?...

don't knock them until you own a few!
 
and the same type of direct drive machine in motion......looks like plenty of water and agitation to me....then again, this vid is courtesy of our own Gansky, someone who definitely knows how to wash clothes and operate a washer correctly...

this one is a 2009 model, I have a 2010 that operates the same way.....newer versions are even better...



SO....you were saying?
 
I have to agree with Martin about these new HE TL's. I have been using my Maytag MVWC415 since Dec. 2016 and have had zero problems with it. I uses an adequete amount of water to throughly clean and rinse all types of loads, much more that the LG FL that it replaced. And it is relatively quick, most loads done in 50-55 mins. And it has never become unbalanced, spins first time, every time without hesitation. This was my main complaint with the LG, it seemed to hunt endlessly for that sweet spot where it would decide to spin. This is what contributed to the sometimes 2 hr. cycle times. And the cotton cycle on heavy soil level would tumble for no less that 20 mins with the clothes being barely damp, mostly dry, then would add more water , but not enough and continue to wash for another 10 mins. This is why I got rid of it.

We have a set of extra heavy weight bath towels that we got from Pottery Barn. I couldn't get these towels to spin in the LG FL unless I used slow spin speed, and even then it didn't want to spin. Finally, after the last time I washed them in the LG and it took 2 1/2 hours on normal soil I just stopped using these towels. The Maytag washes, rinses and spins these towels perfectly in 55 mins on heavy soild level with hot water on the Deep Water cycle. I watched yesterday when I washed these towels. The load was almost to the top of the basket dry, and after it filled and started to agitate the load had compressed to about 1/3 of the tub and was covered with about a inch of water, the equivalent of what a Westinghouse FL from the 80's would have used. To me the amount of water this machine uses is just right. Enough to throughly wash and rinse, but not wasteful. And I use hot water for most all loads, and it is pretty hot, I can see the steam coming through the gaps in the lid while it is filling and there is condensation on the control panel while it is filling.

My new Maytag washes and rinses at least as well or better than the 76'Maytag 806 that I used to have. Personally, I think this machine is one of the very best washers I've ever owned. And as far as the comment about excessive linting from these HE TL's, that is not my experience. I clean the dryer lint filter after every load and I find that there is no more lint than when I owned the LG FL.

I say don't knock it if you haven't tried it!
Eddie[this post was last edited: 8/11/2017-18:02]
 
The Fall and Rise

I have been with a top loading style of washer for 13 strong years. Up until the day it was struggling to complete a cycle. It was a typical but famous Whirlpool Direct Drive top load but re-badged with the "Inglis" brand.

I must say seeing those clothes rollover in water like that and hearing those spray rinses on the final spin, sure looked, felt and sounded satisfying. But I did not know what clean looked like at that point. I just assumed that because clothes were submerged, and being rolled around in a soapy mix of detergent and water, meant they were getting clean.

It was always however, a mystery to why the scent of fabric softener..well never really stayed in clothes up until now. No matter how much I'd put in the smell would always hardly be in there.

I was hoping this would be the only washer we ever owned and frankly, I'd grown attachment to it over the years because of its clean-ability and reliability. It was a definite work horse that never gave up no matter what i threw at it.

Up until a certain day in 2014, where it got to the rinse cycle, went to agitate, buzzed and cutoff. It cutoff with a tub FULL of water and wet clothes. That was the day we had to run out and buy a new modern "BS" washing machine. However after a while the machine did begin to work again, and we were relieved. Up until the point we washed another load and it kept stopping in all parts of the cycle except the spin.

So that day we went out with little knowledge on modern washers. Right away we were greeted with a friendly sales person who right away lead us to a TOL Samsung top load Washer, and a TOL LG top load washer.

In my mind...this is what I saw when I looked at those washers in specific.



Just looking at the price tag of those machines and having seen and had a mental image of how those washed, it was a right away "nope." So we continued and saw A Kenmore/Whirlpool VMW based washer. That was going to be our washer but, I thought to myself, maybe we should try something new. Now with that Kenmore/Whirlpool VMW still in the back of my mind, we went on to the god forbid front loaders. I've heard all sorts of stories about how moldy they get, their broken spiders and bearings.

I saw a couple of LG's, lots of Samsung branded Kenmores, and also a couple of Frigidaires. Until I came across a certain FL, that one, had decent capacity, two, featured no more than basic options that should help us get around a load of laundry, and three was in our price range. Not to mention it was a tried and true brand "Whirlpool" which did in fact lead me to some more confidence. So I thought to myself, screw it, lets give it a try. After all if it wasn't as good or complete trash, I could return it and get that trashy VMW washer.

This day the, Whirlpool Duet WFW72HEDW was our brand new, first washer we bought. Of course until the machine came we struggled without DD TL. A week later, the machine was scheduled for delivery where the old washer got taken out of our home and the new "BS" washer entered out laundry room for the first time in 13 years.

I ran through typical installation process, remove the shipping bolts, leveling flushing hoses. I hit the power button and it played a playful tune, a unique one too. I've only ever heard the tones of a LG,Samsung, Older WP FL's and Frigidaires, so I was curious to hear the tone it would make.

I ran a quick wash cycle empty and to my surprise it really was quick..Only 20 minutes and not the displayed 26 Minutes. After I ran a small load in the quick wash cycle and thought, this washer might be okay after all.

A couple of days later I decided to use the dreaded Normal cycle. And to my surprise, it actually worked very nicely, low wash waters but HIGH rinse levels. Not to mention I got 2 rinses instead of only 1 like before. The cycle time on the Normal cycle ranged from 35-50 minutes. Those 50 minute loads were my fault as i'd sometimes throw in towels which I no longer do. Those towels would cause the washer to spin much longer than needed due to the weight.

A couple of loads later I noticed white clothes in specific... WERE BRIGHTER and WHITER. I did not recall washing those with bleach and infact they came out much whiter than with bleach in our old DD TL. I was impressed. I threw comforters at it, towels you name it. The FL like our old TL, was a workhorse. It never gave up and always finished the cycle successfully no matter what. Just recently I washed a load of towels on the normal cycle with extra rinse selected. The cycle completed with 3 rinses all in 42 Minutes. 42. Not 2,3,4, hours. I've NEVER owned a machine that could do that. Ever. Not even my old DD TL.

Going in, I was an EXTREME skeptic about FL's. Now my FL will turn 3 years next month. I'm happy to say it cleans BETTER than my DD TL, most of the time as fast or even quicker. No parts have been replaced, and best part, NO MOLD OR SMELLS. Only the scent of fabric softener in clothes and a mild scent of detergent in the tub.

Looking more carefully at the wash action, clothes rub together, which mimics the old fashioned way of rubbing clothes and using a wash board.

FL's pack the old method of washing clothes, into a machine form.

While my old WP DD TL will always hold a place in my mind, It also does pain me quite a bit that I have to say goodbye to my WP Duet 72' FL in a couple of months as we are moving :(

Do I think TL are the best?
No.
Do I think modern TL's are better.
Hell No. Or at least, not as good as their predecessors. However modern TL's are definitely improving significantly model by model.
Will I be switching to a TL ever again?
Most likley, No. MAYBE if its a vintage Maytag. I've only ever got my hands one those a couple of times at a Coin-Op place.

I speak all of this off of experience.
 
There are good front loaders out there, and they might clean as well as a top loader, but I have had a bad experience with them, witch might explain why I don't like front loaders. The only good top load washer that is made today, would be a Speed Queen.
 
I think what keeps me from liking the new HE top loaders is looking at the size of the drum and how little the loads are. I see a drum that size and I want to fill it up. What happened to the 18 lb. loads we got so used to doing? These all seem to work well swishing 5 lbs. of laundry around. I can see doing 4 loads in these compared to 1 in a front loader or an older style machine. Whirlpools commercials on TV are a prime example of this. A kid poops himself or barfs on a parent and 1 outfit is thrown in. They do this multiple times a day. That machine is running 4 to 5 hours a day washing such a minimum amount of clothes. They never show any of these machines I feel with a normal large load. I guess there must be a reason why.

Jon
 
we could have a field day with that one alone.....washer size, versus loads washed....

just to be clear, these TL HE machines will wash a huge load, no question about that...

and interesting how from the 60'/70's, we went from machines that only washed full size loads, to wanting variable water levels for smaller loads....

trying to wrap my brain around the concept of needing such a huge machine....most larger families got along with smaller capacities...

and also, paying upwards of 3000.00 for a set, to wash ONE comforter!...what?, maybe every two months.......a laundromat would cost roughly 10 to 12 dollars?....

having two king size beds myself, a standard 3 cuft washer, to a perfectly matched (double the size of the washers capacity) 7 cuft dryer......that is all you need!

todays HE machines need full size loads to balance correctly, and for the dryers sensors to sense the load as well....

but yeah, I do know people who will use a standard full size machine, full water levels, to wash one outfit at a time!

with that kind of thought process....makes you wonder why these families don't drive a school bus to cart around 2 kids and groceries!...

just thoughts of making purchases within your budget and practical needs....
 
I routinely wash full capacity loads in my Maytag Centinnial with an agipeller it handles these loads beautifully. We have a cal king bed and I can wash our heaviest bedspreads, comforters and blankets with ease, using the Bulky cycle.

All the other loads that are mixed small and large items are washed either using the Powerwash or Deep Water cycles, which also perform excellently. The amount of water used in these cycle is equivalent to the amount of water FL's used to use before governement regulatory intervention.

I used to be a big proponent of FL's and have owned 6 different FL's over my lifetime. The last one, an LG was a big disappointment for me. The only way I could get a sufficient amt of water was to use the Bulky cycle with water plus option,but them I was limited to med or slow spins speeds, so the superior extraction qualities of an FL's were compromised. After the cycle was complete, I would then need to run a separate spin cycle on high or extra high. To me the was just too much monkey business in order to enjoy the advantage of max extraction, and defeated the whole purpose of having an automatic washer.

If I need to babysit a washing machine to get what I want and need from it I may as well be using a wringer washer and get my whole weeks wash done in an hour, just sayin. But since I don't have the room for a laundry tub, or a bathroom big enough to roll a wringer washer to the tub for rinsing I'm limited to having an automatic. My Maytag HE TL suits me just fine.

Eddie
 
The real reason why people want HE washers, is they have a larger capacity. Traditional top load automatic washers don't have the biggest capacity, but that was back in the day when you separated everything from whites, to colors, to delicates, to permanent press, and by the time you separated everything, you did not need to have a washer with a huge tub! Speed Queen top load washers of today have the largest capacity for a traditional top load automatic washer, and are simple to use! I would rather wash my large, bulky bedding at the laundromat, then spend $3,000.00 on a washer and dryer that has the largest capacity!
 
I think it all boils down to preference and what you really want. Honestly, the reason I bought the LG made front load set I have was because it would actually wash a king size feather and down comforter and the dryer will dry it. I didn't want to go to the laundromat anymore because I consider that time wasted when I could be doing something else and it seemed silly to spend upwards of $20 every time I took it. Regardless of what anyone says, front loaders do a better job with bulky, heavy items like this and do a good job of cleaning and rinsing it. Consumer reports pointed that out in the 50's. In top load machines stuff like that tends to float and never get completely wet. The Maytag machine it replaced was not even capable of moving it around in the tub. I also think that HE top loaders simply cannot do the same job with a really huge capacity load. I have watched many videos of them and my machine will not only hold more, it does a much better job of washing, rinsing and extracting water from the clothes with NO lint problem at all. So for those who want to rave on about their HE top loaders, good luck to you. They just cannot do the same job a front load machine does with the same amount of water by DESIGN. Top load machine require much more water to do the same thing as a front loader does. They have managed to make HE top loaders that will do what some consider an adequate job and to many that is good enough. I have seen no evidence of that myself though.
 
HE top load washers are terrible! If they made front load washers with mechanical timers and controls, I would not mind having a front loader, but it is that electronic crap I don't like! I don't understand why they have to electronics on EVERYTHING, that is very annoying!!
 

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