I'm shocked... absolutely shocked!

[hooverwheelaway]

Who knew??

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PEOPLE_CLAY_AIKEN?SITE=WIMIL&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

 

[launderess]

Yesterday's News

My dear you need to get around more, you're out of the loop! *LOL*

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gdgbKGT9Gv8WjQStqYAS2gwanWzwD93CPSO81

 

[Unimatic1140]

One more recruit and I'm eligable for a free toaster ove

YAY, the more the merrier!!!

 

[hooverwheelaway]

Whew!

I did miss that one...

 

[toggleswitch2]

Get thee some preparation H girl!

Proving once again where there is smoke there is often FIRE....ooooh that big flamer. *LOL*

Is it me or does anyone else just DIE laughing when we hear of a ConEd [Consolidated Edison] (NYC electrical service provider) man-hole fire on the news during heatwaves in summer.

 

[toggleswitch2]

What is the difference between a young F** and an old F**.

KY and Poli-Grip

http://www.poligrip.com/

 

[classiccaprice]

--Minor Rant--

Why is this our business? I wish Lindsay and Clay well and am happy for them. However, why is our society all up in others personal lives? Do I really need to know who's screwing who or went to maui? What ever happened to people living their own lives? What happened to the press at least having boundaries? Did the press report on JFK and his many affairs? No, because they didn't consider it news, but 30+ years later, Monica Lewinski was all we heard about... I can't stand people who act like parasites off anyone. Let them live in peace!

I guess it goes back to treat others the way you want to be treated. I wouldn't want my personal life on the front page. I guess that's why I'm not a celebrity.

This was a public service message.

 

[Unimatic1140]

Why is this our business?

Because it is important that gay people come out of the closet and show the world who we really are. Clay wasn't forcibly outed by the press, he made the decision to come out himself. Personally I don't see someone being gay as a "personal life". What they do in their bedroom most certainly is personal, but being gay is part of their whole being, no different than race or religion. If Clay happened to mentioned that he was a Christian or that he practiced witchcraft (not that I know either, just an example) I seriously doubt many people would say why can't they keep their personal life to themselves.

 

[spiceman1957]

bout time...Ho Ray for Clay

And for Ricky Martin.....Come Out, Come Out, where ever you are!

 

[vacuumfreeeke]

I'm so glad! I'm glad he was brave and bold and honest. And, Robert, I coudn't agree with you more! I think people who call sexuality "personal" are people who want to make excuses for living a lie or a double life.

I said a long time ago that he should come out because he would be a good role model for young gay people who are struggling with religion versus sexuality issues.

The local Christian radio station was praising Clay for what a great upstanding child of God he was. Then, the next day, they talked about why homosexuality is a sin and why gay people must repent. I hope they are eating crow now!

 

[peterh770]

Shoot, Kathy Griffin has be calling him "Gaikin" for years. No real news here. I wish him the best with his new baby. And I've heard he is fantastic in Spamalot...

 

[MikeS]

I'm Glad For Clay

It's nice to hear that Clay (and Lindsay) have decided to live their lives openly and without fear. (I myself have saved years of therapy and countless thousands of dollars by coming out more than 25 years ago.)
Clay will learn that his true fans will stick by him for his talent, not for what he does with another consenting adult behind closed doors. I've already seen blogs from some
"Clayheads" who are shocked--SHOCKED--about his sexual orientation, and upset he didn't tell his fans first. I understand, but Clay needed to do what he did for his own peace of mind.
"I can not raise a child to lie or hide things." He's absolutely right.

 

[ptcruiser51]

Congrats, Robert

for putting it out there and I agree. With celebrity comes notoriety, whether wanted or not. It's that person's choice to choose what to do with it. It's admirable for gay celebs to come out and show that success, fame, or whatever can be achieved by a gay person. Young gay people need this encouragement to avoid a lifetime of self-questioning behavior and self-imposed barriers. I know it would have helped me and many others I know. This is particularly important and effective when it comes to politicians, sports figures (are you listening, Mike Piazza?) and other figures of note. Thank you.

BTW, Toggles: You are so, so bad!

 

[rp2813]

Hasn't the Mike Piazza thing become a standing joke? I figured he was going along with it, but have not been keeping track. Is there some kind of proof that he's gay and that he's denying?

Ricky Martin is another one like Clay. I'm even tempted to include George Clooney. He jokes about his own gayness to the point that it seems like a deflection. And don't they always have a handy supermodel to throw people off? He has all the earmarks but probably understands that his career could go up in smoke if he comes out, but clearly he could be the ultimate eloquent spokesperson for our community.

 

[neptunebob]

Didn't Ricky Martin just have twins? I would think if he were gay there would hardly be any interest, but I suppose that is possible.

 

[rp2813]

Bob, as adverse as it may seem to most gay men, there is a segment of the male gay community that is interested in raising a family. That is NOT my scene at all, I can't remotely relate to it, but there are those deviants among us who are bent on melding two conflicting cultures together. My experience has been that generally speaking, these men are not exactly poster boys for masculinity. That may explain their female urges. Like I said, I CANNOT relate.

 

[gansky1]

Raising children in gay homes

Deviants? I hope you're joking.

 

[frigilux]

Clay Aiken? I can't believe it! Why, next thing you know, someone will be accusing Morrissey of being gay.

 

[classiccaprice]

Perhaps I may have misspoke in my last post, however Robert,

Maybe it's being idealistic, but I don't see why being gay is an issue. Maybe it's just me, but I just don't feel it's headline worthy. I'm glad he's happy and I'm sure he is a great role model for many questioning themselves. While he did come out himself this time, he also was outed by Perez Hilton months ago (an example of one of the leeches). Maybe I'm actually ahead of my time in this respect, but I don't see why being gay is a headline issue.

What I was trying to say before, what I am so frustrated with is the constant bombardment by the media with activities of people who have nothing to do with my life. I can't even watch the evening news without hearing the celebrity gossip. I don't think it's fair to me to hear all this mess and I don't think it's fair to the celebrity. They can't have a moment's peace. They are always on. Paparazzi follow them everywhere. They do one simple thing and it's on camera. I really feel sorry for them. I also feel sorry for Clay that he felt he had to hide himself from the world. It's not the fact that he's gay that is my issue, it's the fact that it's being made such a big deal. He's gay... so what?

 

[perc-o-prince]

but there are those deviants among us who are bent on meldin

"WE" were all thought of as "deviants" at one time.

What's so conflicting about two people in love raising a child? People labeled as "straight" have been doing it for a long time, and more and more seem to be trending toward failing at it (entitlement, TV or X-box = babysitter, latch-key kids so both parents can work and the family can have a house too big for them, et cetera).

Deviants, indeed!

Chuck

 

[perc-o-prince]

p.s.-

And Liberace wasn't gay because he never admitted it. Who cares! Millions of blue hairs lined up to see every show he ever put on! What a success!

Chuck

 

[perc-o-prince]

My dear you need to get around more, you're out of the l

Great. So now it's not only going to be a race to see who can list celeb deaths here first, but also "outings?" LOL!!!

Chuck

 

[toggleswitch2]

~I also feel sorry for Clay that he felt he had to hide himself from the world. It's not the fact that he's gay that is my issue, it's the fact that it's being made such a big deal. He's gay... so what?

Well, I think that last sentence is the point of countless other threads on this board.

As far as gay being unnatural, this is not possible. Last I checked human beings are part of nature, so any actuvity we partake of is, by definition natural.

At the risk of beign flamed (Send me all the hait-mail you want, but please be merciful on this site)

 

[rp2813]

Deviant Behavior

Is all in the eye of the beholder. My view will not be shared by every member of the gay community and I don't expect it to be. While I think I could do a good job of raising and shaping a child for a successful future if I had an obligation to do so, it is the absolute last thing I would ever choose to do. As stated above, I cannot relate. That doesn't mean other gay people, especially women (again, see my remarks above) would not embrace the concept.

 

[perc-o-prince]

rp2813

But that's a lot different from your previous statement, "there are those deviants among us who are bent on melding two conflicting cultures together."

Am I missing something?

Chuck

 

[toggleswitch2]

First
We if remove the stigma/emotion/judgement from the word deviant, we can then see it to mean strictly something that deviates from the majority/norm,.

Then
We can also think of gay men tradtionally not interested in raising a child.

It would appear that, then, the deisire of individuals/couples within said group to raise a child might just be a deviation from the expected "norm". Such persons would techincally be deviants.

Of course what is the norm is debatable and does and will change over time and location. And even that depends on one's view, thoughts and expectations.

 

[toggleswitch2]

~we can then see it to mean strictly something.

Make that "someone!"

 

[autowasherfreak]

Yeah For Clay!

I knew all along he was gay. I like Clay's music and not just because I'm gay and he's gay. I just like it period. I wish him the best of luck with his son.

My cousin and his partner have adopted a baby, and I am so happy for them. I personally love kids, as long as they belong to someone else. For some strange reason kids love me. I have a friend who is more like a brother I never had, and his three kids call me Aunt Jim. I also have a friend that was a co-worker at my old job, her three year old loves me to death. I can't figure out what these kids see in me, they must see something in me that I can't.

James

 

[rp2813]

Thanks Steve

That was the exact meaning of "deviant" that I was intending. Chuck, see Steve's post above.

 

[revvinkevin]

Clay is finally out......

OK, that's great, big whoop, so can we all get on with are lives now?

Classiccaprice (Will): Yes you could care less that Clay is gay, as myself and a lot of others. BUT there are those don't have lives (Hmm, I may regret saying that...) and suck up everything printed in those supermaket rags like a sponge and want more. The media in general knows this stuff is what makes them money, so they go after what sells.

Also the media follows, flocks to (and dare I say harass?) anyone that has an ounce of fame or has had something terrible happen to them or their family, but that is another part of what sells, drama and disaster.

Bottom line: The public wants to know everyones business, so the media gives it to them!