ultrawash
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What’s your preference when it comes to tub index and why?
Indexing or Non-Indexing Tubs?
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repairguy
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Non indexing. In my opinion you lose all cleaning action with an indexing setup.
chaskelljr2
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I would prefer a “non indexing” tub.
“Non indexing” provide better cleaning than a machine with an “indexing” tub.
But how does Speed Queen manages to that?
A Speed Queen tub “indexes” and still provides excellent turnover of the clothes during agitation (or at least, the ones before 2018 did).
There’s an older Speed Queen on YouTube right now that has an “indexing tub”, but still turns the washload over. How is that possible?
Westinghouses also have an “indexing” tub.
(2017 Speed Queen Washer)
(2019 Speed Queen Washer)
(An Older Speed Queen Washer THAT INDEXES)
—Charles—[this post was last edited: 3/30/2021-23:26]
“Non indexing” provide better cleaning than a machine with an “indexing” tub.
But how does Speed Queen manages to that?
A Speed Queen tub “indexes” and still provides excellent turnover of the clothes during agitation (or at least, the ones before 2018 did).
There’s an older Speed Queen on YouTube right now that has an “indexing tub”, but still turns the washload over. How is that possible?
Westinghouses also have an “indexing” tub.
(2017 Speed Queen Washer)
(2019 Speed Queen Washer)
(An Older Speed Queen Washer THAT INDEXES)
—Charles—[this post was last edited: 3/30/2021-23:26]
The reason why any Speed Queen washer made after 2014 rinses poorly is because the first spin is slow therefore it doesn’t spin out enough of the soapy water and detergent along with the soil. Even with a second rinse, the water was still quite dirty on that Speed Queen washer.
I don't understand washers that spray rinse with a slow spin before the water has been spun out, or worse yet, spray rinse almost immediately after initiating a spin.
I played around with a mid 1980's Montgomery Norge and it did a partial drain, then spun up and immediately spray rinsed with a half tub full of water dirty wash water. WTH? Spin up to full speed and get all of that dirty/soapy water out, THEN spray rinse. I cursed it for using a measly 30 second spray rinse (come on man, it was the 80's, use some water) and then remembered that DD Kenmore washers didn't even have a spin spray rinse during that time period. *Shivers*
I played around with a mid 1980's Montgomery Norge and it did a partial drain, then spun up and immediately spray rinsed with a half tub full of water dirty wash water. WTH? Spin up to full speed and get all of that dirty/soapy water out, THEN spray rinse. I cursed it for using a measly 30 second spray rinse (come on man, it was the 80's, use some water) and then remembered that DD Kenmore washers didn't even have a spin spray rinse during that time period. *Shivers*
If Whirlpool did 6 second spray rinses on the direct drive washers, they would have definitely did a better job at rinsing. Since I adjusted the clutch a little over 1/16” (closer to 2/16”), it’s not entirely up to speed when it does the first spray rinse but it up to speed by the 2nd and 3rd spray rinse and seems to still do a good job at rinsing then again the neutral drain on the belt drive washers seems to be effective at draining most of the dirty wash water out by the time it goes into spin.
Agree that spray rinses in DD machines would have eliminated most owners to be forced into using a 2nd deep rinse, particularly those with soap allergies. That would have saved a lot of water and some wear and tear over the life of a machine.
Whirlpool top loading washers have always been super stingy with spray rinses though, especially when compared to GE and Maytag. I was always curious why but I think it was mostly directed at the belt drive machines because they were highly prone to suds locking. By the time the DD's came around, I'm guessing stingy spray rinses (or the lack thereof) were a water saving technique directed as a sales pitch.
Whirlpool top loading washers have always been super stingy with spray rinses though, especially when compared to GE and Maytag. I was always curious why but I think it was mostly directed at the belt drive machines because they were highly prone to suds locking. By the time the DD's came around, I'm guessing stingy spray rinses (or the lack thereof) were a water saving technique directed as a sales pitch.
Indexing tub
Could make sense if the tub had some kind of ribs on it to act as a secondary agitator.
Otherwise don't see much use...
Could make sense if the tub had some kind of ribs on it to act as a secondary agitator.
Otherwise don't see much use...
"Could make sense if the tub had some kind of ribs on it to act as a secondary agitator."
The only top loading washer with a ribbed inner tub that I can recall was Roberts 1947 GE.
https://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi...@Washday Economy.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/_1947GE
The only top loading washer with a ribbed inner tub that I can recall was Roberts 1947 GE.
https://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi...@Washday Economy.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/_1947GE
The reason why the Whirlpool belt drive washers only do 6 second spray rinses is because the pump can only pump out so much water at a time and if had a spray rinse like a GE or Maytag it will water lock and it can water lock if you are washing things such as blankets or towels that hold a lot of water in them but that usually only happens if you clutch isn’t adjusted correctly since the tub tries to get up to speed and if the pump isn’t catching up it will water lock.
My friend Tyler had his 1962 RCA Whirlpool LJA70 water lock before and it happened when he was washing a small load of towels. If you skip to the 22:45 minute mark, you’ll see how it water locks and water comes up to the magic mix filter and makes it more of a struggle for the pump to drain out all the water.
Believe it or not, I had something similar happen with my Maytag A606 awhile back and it sounded like it was struggling a little, I opened the lid and it did water lock but it’s not the machines fault it’s a error on my behalf since it hasn’t been used all that much but since I have been doing some laundry in it as if recent it’s been working perfectly fine.
Those Whirlpool belt drive washers tend to suds lock easily and I had my ‘63 Whirlpool suds lock a few times even if I filled it to the #1 mark on a old Tide detergent scoop I had laying around (fill the Tide box with Ariel phosphated detergent). It even suds locked on the first wash I ever did in it and I used the rest of the Roma detergent I had when I got my ‘63 Whirlpool back in July.
Those Whirlpool belt drive washers tend to suds lock easily and I had my ‘63 Whirlpool suds lock a few times even if I filled it to the #1 mark on a old Tide detergent scoop I had laying around (fill the Tide box with Ariel phosphated detergent). It even suds locked on the first wash I ever did in it and I used the rest of the Roma detergent I had when I got my ‘63 Whirlpool back in July.
Re: Reply #11
There were other brands that touted basket or tub indexing as contributing to wash action.
The 4/2/2021 POD Gibson ad: Each clockwise stroke of the agitator is matched by a counter-clockwise movement of the tub, which has six scrub vanes molded into its sides. The new "Double Scrub" action gives you unsurpassed washing results.
There were other brands that touted basket or tub indexing as contributing to wash action.
The 4/2/2021 POD Gibson ad: Each clockwise stroke of the agitator is matched by a counter-clockwise movement of the tub, which has six scrub vanes molded into its sides. The new "Double Scrub" action gives you unsurpassed washing results.
I do believe all WCI produced washers of that era had the indexing tubs and scrub vanes molded into the tub. Gibson, Frigidaire, Kelvinator, Westinghouse.
