Holly Hobart is coming home tomorrow and she surely doesn't meet any energy regulations, though some insulation is in the plans.
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Now this is how elected officials ought to act! Upholding their oath to preserve the US constitution. Common sense is both refreshing and restoring my faith in humanity. I'm loving every bit of this. 
Hope some good old fashioned dishwashers hit the market soon. I'm going to be the first in line.
Hope some good old fashioned dishwashers hit the market soon. I'm going to be the first in line.
I hope
washers and dryers follow suit! I wish GE would revamp the filter-flo lineup entirely.
washers and dryers follow suit! I wish GE would revamp the filter-flo lineup entirely.
My 2017 Whirlpool cleans very well on the 1-hr. cycle, using only about 5 gallons of water. There’s really no need for a dishwasher to use 13 gallons of water to do its job. On the other hand, I can understand the frustration with dishwashers that take 2-1/2 hours or more to complete a Normal cycle using 3 gallons of water.
Chetlaham— I must have missed the part in the Constitution that deals with dishwashers.
GELaundry4ever— The chance of GE bringing back Filter-Flo washers—as cool as they were—is almost non-existent, much as General Motors will never bring back the 1968 Cadillac Eldorado. Given time, patience and diligent searching, you’ll probably be able to find a used one that’s been reconditioned.
Although it doesn't have fun things like recirculating lint filtration or a Mini-Basket, I enjoy owning a 2017 Speed Queen top-loader. It provides a truly vintage washing machine experience with the convenience of having parts and service readily available when the day comes that it needs to be repaired. And it has an Eco cycle that saves a lot of water for loads that don't require a deep rinse. Best of both worlds.
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Chetlaham— I must have missed the part in the Constitution that deals with dishwashers.
GELaundry4ever— The chance of GE bringing back Filter-Flo washers—as cool as they were—is almost non-existent, much as General Motors will never bring back the 1968 Cadillac Eldorado. Given time, patience and diligent searching, you’ll probably be able to find a used one that’s been reconditioned.
Although it doesn't have fun things like recirculating lint filtration or a Mini-Basket, I enjoy owning a 2017 Speed Queen top-loader. It provides a truly vintage washing machine experience with the convenience of having parts and service readily available when the day comes that it needs to be repaired. And it has an Eco cycle that saves a lot of water for loads that don't require a deep rinse. Best of both worlds.
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jaums
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My 2 year old dishwasher doesn't get every-day-dirty dishes clean unless I use the super-maximum cycle. The 'normal' cycle spends much of the time with no water circulating; I assume it's using the technique of soaking which uses no electricity, but my dishes came out dirty.
And, my 2 year old limited GPF toilet I often have to flush repeatedly.
Perhaps the pressure applied to manufacturers of appliances to make them more green has resulted in the use of more efficient (and quieter) direct current motors and cut back on overuse of water, but it also seemed to result in over-conservation forcing use of super cycles and multiple flushes.
I agree that the Constitution does not mention dishwashers directly, but I question whether it had in mind for the federal government to regulate manufacturers resulting in struggling appliances for us to purchase.
And, my 2 year old limited GPF toilet I often have to flush repeatedly.
Perhaps the pressure applied to manufacturers of appliances to make them more green has resulted in the use of more efficient (and quieter) direct current motors and cut back on overuse of water, but it also seemed to result in over-conservation forcing use of super cycles and multiple flushes.
I agree that the Constitution does not mention dishwashers directly, but I question whether it had in mind for the federal government to regulate manufacturers resulting in struggling appliances for us to purchase.
Infamous 2016 quote: "I LOVE the uneducated!"
Wow, the holy grail of automatic dishwashers would be one of those produced in the late 18th century!!!
Does anybody here have one, and if so, can you please post a picture? Maybe the Library of Congress has an original owner's manual! Who knew? This is exciting!
Wow, the holy grail of automatic dishwashers would be one of those produced in the late 18th century!!!
Does anybody here have one, and if so, can you please post a picture? Maybe the Library of Congress has an original owner's manual! Who knew? This is exciting!
warmsecondrinse
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""I said what's wrong with this thing? It doesn't clean the dishes right," he continued. "The women come up to me, the women who they say don't like me -- they actually do like me a lot. Suburban women, please vote for me. I'm saving your house. I'm saving your community. I'm keeping your crime way down."
At a Michigan rally late last year, Trump said that while dishwashers used to generate an "explosion" at the push of a button, "now you press it 12 times, women tell me."
- 'It doesn't clean the dishes right' -- as if he would know one way or the other.
- 'The women come up to me....." -- as if random women just walk up to him and start talking about their dishwashers.
- '... an explosion at the push of a button..." -- what button? what explosion? Does ANYBODY know?
I don't understand why this is so complicated; yet it clearly is. If you introduce an water saving appliance that cuts usage by 50%, takes twice as long but STILL doesn't do the job, you are teaching people that water conservation == FAIL! Far better to introduce an appliance that cuts water usage by 20%, takes 20% longer, AND does the job. This way you're setting the stage for acceptance of more conservation measures down the road.
"And, my 2 year old limited GPF toilet I often have to flush repeatedly."
"... but it also seemed to result in over-conservation forcing use of super cycles and multiple flushes."
Exactly! If it doesn't go down you flush again. Any dishes that aren't clean stay in the dishwasher to be washed again, leaving less room for the next batch. This results in more loads being run over time. This is turn shortens the life span of the dishwasher.
One thing I've noticed with playing with people's dishwashers over the years is that if you set the internal water heater to make the water as hot as possible you can often use a shorter cycle and still get clean dishes. Of course, this only works if cycle & temp choices function independently of each other. I seem to find that less and less frequently over the years.
But sticking to water. If the US were really interested in conserving water, all new construction and remodelling would require waterless urinals. Yes, I've read about all the complaints and from what I've read 90% are the result of user error. It reminds me of people who buy 120V combos, stuff the thing so full the user can't squeeze in another sock, then complain it takes all day to dry the clothes.........
Back to dishwashers: If the purveyors of water-saving dishwashers had designed units that worked properly in the first place, there wouldn't be people working to circumvent DOE policies.
At a Michigan rally late last year, Trump said that while dishwashers used to generate an "explosion" at the push of a button, "now you press it 12 times, women tell me."
- 'It doesn't clean the dishes right' -- as if he would know one way or the other.
- 'The women come up to me....." -- as if random women just walk up to him and start talking about their dishwashers.
- '... an explosion at the push of a button..." -- what button? what explosion? Does ANYBODY know?
I don't understand why this is so complicated; yet it clearly is. If you introduce an water saving appliance that cuts usage by 50%, takes twice as long but STILL doesn't do the job, you are teaching people that water conservation == FAIL! Far better to introduce an appliance that cuts water usage by 20%, takes 20% longer, AND does the job. This way you're setting the stage for acceptance of more conservation measures down the road.
"And, my 2 year old limited GPF toilet I often have to flush repeatedly."
"... but it also seemed to result in over-conservation forcing use of super cycles and multiple flushes."
Exactly! If it doesn't go down you flush again. Any dishes that aren't clean stay in the dishwasher to be washed again, leaving less room for the next batch. This results in more loads being run over time. This is turn shortens the life span of the dishwasher.
One thing I've noticed with playing with people's dishwashers over the years is that if you set the internal water heater to make the water as hot as possible you can often use a shorter cycle and still get clean dishes. Of course, this only works if cycle & temp choices function independently of each other. I seem to find that less and less frequently over the years.
But sticking to water. If the US were really interested in conserving water, all new construction and remodelling would require waterless urinals. Yes, I've read about all the complaints and from what I've read 90% are the result of user error. It reminds me of people who buy 120V combos, stuff the thing so full the user can't squeeze in another sock, then complain it takes all day to dry the clothes.........
Back to dishwashers: If the purveyors of water-saving dishwashers had designed units that worked properly in the first place, there wouldn't be people working to circumvent DOE policies.
Interesting that the people on this thread bashing “today’s” high efficiency dishwashers and wishing for the days of 12+ gallon cycles have either never actually owned any *good* brand and model dishwasher of the last ~10 years, or they have posted on other threads praising the new machines they own? Make it make sense please.
Sorry but, people aren’t going to buy a machine to deliberately send their utility bills to the sky. It doesn’t matter what regulations there are or aren’t, consumers ultimately decide which way the markets go, and this will be no different than lightbulbs or cars. Light bulb manufacturers standardized LED bulbs on their lineup BEFORE any regulation came about to phase out incandescents because people actively wanted ways to reduce their energy bills. And people don’t drive down the road in their cars and think “Hmm, I think I’ll go buy a car that is less fuel efficient because I wanna stick it to the DOE by spending MORE per tank.”
Regardless of what anybody likes about it, the majority of people with modern appliances love them, or they work perfectly fine enough for them not to think about whether or not it’s using enough water. Only about 0.01 percent of the market would probably actually consider buying a water guzzling dishwasher, so why would companies waste R&D building antiquated and inferior products along with their current models?
Both “eco” dishwashers I’ve had worked flawlessly on their Normal cycles and frequently flipped plastic cups and containers in the top rack, and to be perfectly honest, did a more thorough job than the PowerClean in some regards. It just doesn’t take 15 HP motors and 30 gallons of water to wash dishes. Not that Dump has ever even seen a dishwasher in person, much less used one to know whether they work.
Sorry but, people aren’t going to buy a machine to deliberately send their utility bills to the sky. It doesn’t matter what regulations there are or aren’t, consumers ultimately decide which way the markets go, and this will be no different than lightbulbs or cars. Light bulb manufacturers standardized LED bulbs on their lineup BEFORE any regulation came about to phase out incandescents because people actively wanted ways to reduce their energy bills. And people don’t drive down the road in their cars and think “Hmm, I think I’ll go buy a car that is less fuel efficient because I wanna stick it to the DOE by spending MORE per tank.”
Regardless of what anybody likes about it, the majority of people with modern appliances love them, or they work perfectly fine enough for them not to think about whether or not it’s using enough water. Only about 0.01 percent of the market would probably actually consider buying a water guzzling dishwasher, so why would companies waste R&D building antiquated and inferior products along with their current models?
Both “eco” dishwashers I’ve had worked flawlessly on their Normal cycles and frequently flipped plastic cups and containers in the top rack, and to be perfectly honest, did a more thorough job than the PowerClean in some regards. It just doesn’t take 15 HP motors and 30 gallons of water to wash dishes. Not that Dump has ever even seen a dishwasher in person, much less used one to know whether they work.
vacerator
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Tht's the least of
our concerns. He does not act on anything, except ruining things. Yor kids will no longer be able to stay on your inmsurance until age 26, If you have any pre exhisting health issues, you will be redlined, or denied coverage. My sister works for the V.A. and social security is not currently being deducted from their pay. They will have to repay it, unless he bankrrupts it first. I will need what I have coming from over 34 years in. So will you. Thats my belief. Do what the eff you want. I've already voted. See how we are after 4 more years of his crap. It's already going to take quite some time to fix his mess. He's added to the national debt too, not that that matters now. Our health is more important so we can have a functioning productive society. Mental health also! he has nill of that.
our concerns. He does not act on anything, except ruining things. Yor kids will no longer be able to stay on your inmsurance until age 26, If you have any pre exhisting health issues, you will be redlined, or denied coverage. My sister works for the V.A. and social security is not currently being deducted from their pay. They will have to repay it, unless he bankrrupts it first. I will need what I have coming from over 34 years in. So will you. Thats my belief. Do what the eff you want. I've already voted. See how we are after 4 more years of his crap. It's already going to take quite some time to fix his mess. He's added to the national debt too, not that that matters now. Our health is more important so we can have a functioning productive society. Mental health also! he has nill of that.
jaums
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Forward or Backward?
I bought a highest rated dishwasher just prior to the government push on manufacturers and it worked great on the standard cycle. The same brand and level machine I bought after moving to another house 3 years ago, the standard cycle doesn't clean the dishes. So I experienced the before an after of the same brand and saw the impact of the government regulations.
Maybe I'm expecting too much, but I'm not satisfied with using my hard-earned money for "works perfectly fine enough" when it's not working as well as the older model.
I'm a newbie--are broad-based political pitches appropriate here?
I bought a highest rated dishwasher just prior to the government push on manufacturers and it worked great on the standard cycle. The same brand and level machine I bought after moving to another house 3 years ago, the standard cycle doesn't clean the dishes. So I experienced the before an after of the same brand and saw the impact of the government regulations.
Maybe I'm expecting too much, but I'm not satisfied with using my hard-earned money for "works perfectly fine enough" when it's not working as well as the older model.
I'm a newbie--are broad-based political pitches appropriate here?
I'm a newbie--are broad-based political pitches appropriate
Hey guys, no please keep the political posts in the Dirty Laundry Forum or I'll have to move this thread into DL. Thanks everyone.
Hey guys, no please keep the political posts in the Dirty Laundry Forum or I'll have to move this thread into DL. Thanks everyone.
warmsecondrinse
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I've found the temperature of the hot water has a lot to do with how well a dishwasher works.
What temps are used for government tests? For any reviews?
What's the incoming hot water temp for the people satisfied with the machine's performance? For those UNsatisfied?
What % of satisfied people have water heating turned on? Of unsatisfied?
Separately from temperature...
How many unsatisfied people have hard water and clogged jets?
How much user error is occurring? Negative washer reviews, especially for combos, frequently reveal user error plays a role in customer dissatisfaction.
My point is that there's a lot more involved than just the design of the washer.
What temps are used for government tests? For any reviews?
What's the incoming hot water temp for the people satisfied with the machine's performance? For those UNsatisfied?
What % of satisfied people have water heating turned on? Of unsatisfied?
Separately from temperature...
How many unsatisfied people have hard water and clogged jets?
How much user error is occurring? Negative washer reviews, especially for combos, frequently reveal user error plays a role in customer dissatisfaction.
My point is that there's a lot more involved than just the design of the washer.
I have our hot water tank set just over 120 degs and run the kitchen faucet until it's hot (120) which is from anything I've read the minimum temperature required. The extra few degrees over is to compensate for the cooler water still in the line between the faucet and the dw, and because that initial input of hot water will lose some heat when it hits the tub itself. I've checked with a digital thermometer the temperature of the water while the machine is in the wash cycle and it's 120.
eurekastar
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I want to echo what IowaBear said. If there is a return to shorter cycles, then I suspect that detergents would need to be reformulated since they are designed to work effectively with longer cycles times.
I use the short cycle (1 hour) on my Maytag DW most of the time, and it cleans quite well. However, I used Cascade Fryer Boil Out (old school DW detergent with phosphates). That combo works really well.
I use the short cycle (1 hour) on my Maytag DW most of the time, and it cleans quite well. However, I used Cascade Fryer Boil Out (old school DW detergent with phosphates). That combo works really well.
good-shepherd
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standardized LED bulbs on their lineup BEFORE regulation
Oh really, in which country?
Residential LED bulbs and fixtures were practically nowhere to be found prior to the passing of the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007.
Thanks to that lighting in people's homes today has all the ambience of a bus station.
Oh really, in which country?
Residential LED bulbs and fixtures were practically nowhere to be found prior to the passing of the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007.
Thanks to that lighting in people's homes today has all the ambience of a bus station.
It's amazing to me how removed from reality it gets
All the ambiance of a bus station my ass.
Have you ever seen an LED bulb?
Even the cheapest of the cheap by now look basicly indistingushiable to an incadesent in most scenarios.
And don't dare to say expensive.
IKEA sells the basic LEDs for less than 1€ over here.
And if you dare to spend the bank breaking amount of like 3 bucks you get a close to perfect color rendering index - if you even notice the difference in that.
And the flicker is close to none.
Everything was better when it was this and that when it was old and wastefull when it was everything but...
There was a huuuuuge outcry when that legislation about regular bulbs was passed.
And by the time the second size of bulbs was banned here there wasn't even a word said cause suddenly everybody realized NOTHING changed.
Or rather did not realize anything.
Nobody went broke because of a new lightbulb.
Nobody couldn't stand their house lighting anymore.
Nobody ever died because a DW was takeing 3h.
Nobody ever lived cause it uses 30gal.
You'd be shocked how many people want to return laptops because they do not have disc drives anymore only to buy a USB disc drive and never use it.
And it is always the same demographic.
Same actually goes with other appliances.
"I would never buy a washer that does not reach 60C!" yet same person dosen't even use anything over 40C.
"I never knew my DW uses twice the energy and significantly more water when I use the speed option, the manufacturer should be mandated to tell me that!" and when you point them to the manual they say no one reads that.
"You are selling crap to me and how can it be that you refuse to pay for the repair on my washer that is half a year out of warranty!" even though they refused the extended warranty on their washer - which we have in writing.
"How could I know a washer which is such an expensive purchase would break that soon? They used to ladt much longer!"
You point them to their purchase price of not even 300€ and that maybe they should have listened to the sales persons who for sure talked to them about te brand they were buying.
"They never told me!"
Sure, they never do...
Or stuff like:
"I want you to cancel this cable tv contract that I just signed up for cause I suddenly realised I don't like that company!" even though you are told TWICE that you can not cancel the contract if you sign up in store in accordance to german law.
"How can my phone bill be that high? You are trying to rip me off!" only for the to blush when they realize that you are telling them that either a) those are "premium" phone number charges or b) in game purchases they or their kids have been doing.
Just unsetteling...
It is amazing to me how different such stuff, such discussions look if you spent just a year on the other side of the customer-company relationship.
It is really just unnerving and depressing that customers will with no fault, day in and day out find ANYTHING to complain over.
Trying to think ahead of what they could be throwing at you next isn't even worth it, they will always find a way to surprise you with new ways to put the blame on anyone and anything but them.
You could give them everything for free and they would still find a way to make you bend over backwards because they still aren't happy.
Sorry for the rant, rough day.
But honestly, get real ya'll.
All the ambiance of a bus station my ass.
Have you ever seen an LED bulb?
Even the cheapest of the cheap by now look basicly indistingushiable to an incadesent in most scenarios.
And don't dare to say expensive.
IKEA sells the basic LEDs for less than 1€ over here.
And if you dare to spend the bank breaking amount of like 3 bucks you get a close to perfect color rendering index - if you even notice the difference in that.
And the flicker is close to none.
Everything was better when it was this and that when it was old and wastefull when it was everything but...
There was a huuuuuge outcry when that legislation about regular bulbs was passed.
And by the time the second size of bulbs was banned here there wasn't even a word said cause suddenly everybody realized NOTHING changed.
Or rather did not realize anything.
Nobody went broke because of a new lightbulb.
Nobody couldn't stand their house lighting anymore.
Nobody ever died because a DW was takeing 3h.
Nobody ever lived cause it uses 30gal.
You'd be shocked how many people want to return laptops because they do not have disc drives anymore only to buy a USB disc drive and never use it.
And it is always the same demographic.
Same actually goes with other appliances.
"I would never buy a washer that does not reach 60C!" yet same person dosen't even use anything over 40C.
"I never knew my DW uses twice the energy and significantly more water when I use the speed option, the manufacturer should be mandated to tell me that!" and when you point them to the manual they say no one reads that.
"You are selling crap to me and how can it be that you refuse to pay for the repair on my washer that is half a year out of warranty!" even though they refused the extended warranty on their washer - which we have in writing.
"How could I know a washer which is such an expensive purchase would break that soon? They used to ladt much longer!"
You point them to their purchase price of not even 300€ and that maybe they should have listened to the sales persons who for sure talked to them about te brand they were buying.
"They never told me!"
Sure, they never do...
Or stuff like:
"I want you to cancel this cable tv contract that I just signed up for cause I suddenly realised I don't like that company!" even though you are told TWICE that you can not cancel the contract if you sign up in store in accordance to german law.
"How can my phone bill be that high? You are trying to rip me off!" only for the to blush when they realize that you are telling them that either a) those are "premium" phone number charges or b) in game purchases they or their kids have been doing.
Just unsetteling...
It is amazing to me how different such stuff, such discussions look if you spent just a year on the other side of the customer-company relationship.
It is really just unnerving and depressing that customers will with no fault, day in and day out find ANYTHING to complain over.
Trying to think ahead of what they could be throwing at you next isn't even worth it, they will always find a way to surprise you with new ways to put the blame on anyone and anything but them.
You could give them everything for free and they would still find a way to make you bend over backwards because they still aren't happy.
Sorry for the rant, rough day.
But honestly, get real ya'll.
That glass of wine tonight was just enough to make me spit out laughing at how ignorant "bus station ambiance" sounded in the year of our lord 2020 when LEDs have been well established and perfected to be, as henene put perfectly, Indistinguishable from incandescent bulbs. There's only one reason anyone thinks of LEDs as having a "doctor's office florescent color" and that's because Boomers pick up a box of bulbs with the word DAYLIGHT on them and think "ooo the sun! I want that in my house!" without paying any attention to the fact that 5000K color temperature, the light color of DAYLIGHT bulbs, is BLUE.
Every. Single. Light. Bulb. in our house is LED. Every one. Since we moved here in July I've single handedly replaced every mix-matched incandescent and CFL and daylight LED bulb in this house (seriously, the previous owners had to be mental to look around and think "yeah this looks nice") with proper soft white or bright white LED bulbs, depending on what room needs what.
So, I snapped some quick candid photos of the kitchen and laundry room hall, plus a couple from earlier today. The only light fixture with a kelvin rating of higher than 2700K-3000K (normal living space lighting), is the laundry room light, which is a bright white bulb at 3200K. Kindly explain to me how any of this gives off fluorescent "bus stop" lighting?
I used to actually have daylight bulbs only in the laundry room because of how easy it makes seeing stains on white clothing show up, but I got sick of how tiring it is to the eyes and replaced it with something warmer yet still white enough to show the stains.
Seriously though, stop buying the d*mn daylight bulbs and then complaining about "bad" LED lighting. Once again, the general mood of this thread is people griping and moaning like old men screaming in their yards because "new is bad" and yet none of you have actually owned any of what you're complaining about.
Let Whirlpool replace their dishwasher and laundry lineups with machines that use more water and energy than their current models and they'll lose a life long customer. Plus many many more when people notice the extra $ on their utility bills. We're quoting out a kitchen remodel right now in fact, and it's a specific goal that each appliance and fixture to be installed is as efficient as possible. Love the PowerClean, but it's going to be installed as a sort of "museum" piece in the butler's pantry strictly for sentimental reasons, but most assuredly not as a daily or even weekly driver. What will go in the kitchen will be either KitchenAid or Miele, or a mix of both. Should Miele beat the current lineup of WP/KitchenAids in energy and water usage by a considerable margin, a Miele dishwasher will absolutely sit alongside a mix-match KitchenAid kitchen.
To those with modern dishwashers who aren't getting good results, have you tried reading the manuals and using the machines properly with good quality detergent and rinse aid? That's always a good place to start.
Every time I come back to this site I remember why I forget about it for such long periods and why compared to years ago it's practically a ghost town because so many have abandoned it. If yall are so inseparable from your 20 gallon power meter spinning dishwashers, why are you here on a Modern Appliance thread and not over on Imperial dancing around an old Potscrubber?
Every. Single. Light. Bulb. in our house is LED. Every one. Since we moved here in July I've single handedly replaced every mix-matched incandescent and CFL and daylight LED bulb in this house (seriously, the previous owners had to be mental to look around and think "yeah this looks nice") with proper soft white or bright white LED bulbs, depending on what room needs what.
So, I snapped some quick candid photos of the kitchen and laundry room hall, plus a couple from earlier today. The only light fixture with a kelvin rating of higher than 2700K-3000K (normal living space lighting), is the laundry room light, which is a bright white bulb at 3200K. Kindly explain to me how any of this gives off fluorescent "bus stop" lighting?
I used to actually have daylight bulbs only in the laundry room because of how easy it makes seeing stains on white clothing show up, but I got sick of how tiring it is to the eyes and replaced it with something warmer yet still white enough to show the stains.
Seriously though, stop buying the d*mn daylight bulbs and then complaining about "bad" LED lighting. Once again, the general mood of this thread is people griping and moaning like old men screaming in their yards because "new is bad" and yet none of you have actually owned any of what you're complaining about.
Let Whirlpool replace their dishwasher and laundry lineups with machines that use more water and energy than their current models and they'll lose a life long customer. Plus many many more when people notice the extra $ on their utility bills. We're quoting out a kitchen remodel right now in fact, and it's a specific goal that each appliance and fixture to be installed is as efficient as possible. Love the PowerClean, but it's going to be installed as a sort of "museum" piece in the butler's pantry strictly for sentimental reasons, but most assuredly not as a daily or even weekly driver. What will go in the kitchen will be either KitchenAid or Miele, or a mix of both. Should Miele beat the current lineup of WP/KitchenAids in energy and water usage by a considerable margin, a Miele dishwasher will absolutely sit alongside a mix-match KitchenAid kitchen.
To those with modern dishwashers who aren't getting good results, have you tried reading the manuals and using the machines properly with good quality detergent and rinse aid? That's always a good place to start.
Every time I come back to this site I remember why I forget about it for such long periods and why compared to years ago it's practically a ghost town because so many have abandoned it. If yall are so inseparable from your 20 gallon power meter spinning dishwashers, why are you here on a Modern Appliance thread and not over on Imperial dancing around an old Potscrubber?
good-shepherd
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Indistinguishable from incandescent bulbs.
Driving around my area at night I can spot LED equipped homes a mile away.
Interiors look like operating rooms, outside are lit up like prison yards.
Driving around my area at night I can spot LED equipped homes a mile away.
Interiors look like operating rooms, outside are lit up like prison yards.
