Can anyone confirm of deny? I ordered 2 more cases of the Institutional product to be safe.
WK78
WK78
It looks like all Phosphated Cascade is ending
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What makes you think "it looks like" it's through? Did you read something somewhere?
Inquiring minds etc.
What evidence makes it "look like?" Is there something from the manufacturer, a news story or word from a distributor? Institutional users of DW detergent were exempted from the phosphate ban so there must be some story about why they would take this action.
What evidence makes it "look like?" Is there something from the manufacturer, a news story or word from a distributor? Institutional users of DW detergent were exempted from the phosphate ban so there must be some story about why they would take this action.
I base this off of.
The fact that I see WW Grainger closing it out, Restockit.com is down to 121 cases when they usually stock thousands and a post from Mich in a previous thread about the reformulation of Inst. Cascade. There is also at least one website selling the phosphate free version, many online sellers do not have it in stock and the original product is not listed ANYWHERE on PGpro.com.
While this evidence is circumstantial and may not be incontrovertible it points to a very sad state of affairs.
WK78
The fact that I see WW Grainger closing it out, Restockit.com is down to 121 cases when they usually stock thousands and a post from Mich in a previous thread about the reformulation of Inst. Cascade. There is also at least one website selling the phosphate free version, many online sellers do not have it in stock and the original product is not listed ANYWHERE on PGpro.com.
While this evidence is circumstantial and may not be incontrovertible it points to a very sad state of affairs.
WK78
One other indication
The smaller old school looking boxes of Cascade, which were phosphate are gone from both Restockit and Amazon. Restockit says nothing but Amazon says they do not know if or when the product will be in stock.
WK78
The smaller old school looking boxes of Cascade, which were phosphate are gone from both Restockit and Amazon. Restockit says nothing but Amazon says they do not know if or when the product will be in stock.
WK78
iheartmaytag
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Ending
Saints preserve us.
Saints preserve us.
That's a shame, as I don't believe any of the new phosphate-free powders are rated very well. It may be time for me to try Bubble Bandit, or see if Hytron is still phosphate-laden.
It has been convenient for me to pickup a few boxes of Institutional Cascade at GFS, as needed, when the pantry supply ran low.
It has been convenient for me to pickup a few boxes of Institutional Cascade at GFS, as needed, when the pantry supply ran low.
whirlcool
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Has anyone exhausted their supply of phosphated DW detergents yet? Several years ago a lot of us were really stocking up. We still have at least a 6 month supply of Cascade Action Packs, phosphated version. They are locked in an airtight container.
But we have been using Cascade complete without phosphates and for us it does a good job. So only when we get really heavy duty jobs do we bring out the old stuff.
But we have been using Cascade complete without phosphates and for us it does a good job. So only when we get really heavy duty jobs do we bring out the old stuff.
New York State Banned Commercial DW Detergents
With phosphates same time as domestic versions, though the commercial products were granted a bit longer time to comply.
Don't know how many states have followed similar actions but if the number is decent then P&G along with others has to rethink their game. With markets being cut off what is the point of producing a product?
While we here and other domestic users may love phosphates, commercial laundries and places that use industrial dishwashers have other concerns. The EPA and or local authorities probably aren't going to bust a housewife for using phosphate laden products, but a commercial establishment is another matter. IIRC "illegal dumping" can cover introducing banned substances into the sewage system.
With phosphates same time as domestic versions, though the commercial products were granted a bit longer time to comply.
Don't know how many states have followed similar actions but if the number is decent then P&G along with others has to rethink their game. With markets being cut off what is the point of producing a product?
While we here and other domestic users may love phosphates, commercial laundries and places that use industrial dishwashers have other concerns. The EPA and or local authorities probably aren't going to bust a housewife for using phosphate laden products, but a commercial establishment is another matter. IIRC "illegal dumping" can cover introducing banned substances into the sewage system.
Launderess:
If you are forbidden from using Phosphate-laden detergents in NY, does this mean it is also illegal to ship detergents across state lines into NY?
I suppose I make my question redundant by asking if you use STPP in your laundering practice?
If you are forbidden from using Phosphate-laden detergents in NY, does this mean it is also illegal to ship detergents across state lines into NY?
I suppose I make my question redundant by asking if you use STPP in your laundering practice?
Commercial/Institutional Supply Places
Will not ship STPP laden laundry products to NYS. Ecolab has written clearly on packages of product (laundry detergent, bleaches, etc...)that contain phosphates it is not offered for sale in NY. Have not looked since the ban was announced regarding commercial dishwasher products.
Chemistry Store fills our orders for phosphates without any problems, so one assumes other sources for domestic use are fine.
As for using STPP, yes one does have a stash and uses phosphates though find myself tapering off.
First much of my stash of vintage laundry detergents are laden with phosphates. Dash, Gain, Burst, FAB, Punch, VIM, etc... all have more than enough of the stuff to get things done. Will add a bit of STPP when using modern liquid detergents, and of course when using soaps (P&G, Kirkman's, and Fels), and the NOS vintage Persil which is mainly washing soda, sodium perborate and soap.
Will not ship STPP laden laundry products to NYS. Ecolab has written clearly on packages of product (laundry detergent, bleaches, etc...)that contain phosphates it is not offered for sale in NY. Have not looked since the ban was announced regarding commercial dishwasher products.
Chemistry Store fills our orders for phosphates without any problems, so one assumes other sources for domestic use are fine.
As for using STPP, yes one does have a stash and uses phosphates though find myself tapering off.
First much of my stash of vintage laundry detergents are laden with phosphates. Dash, Gain, Burst, FAB, Punch, VIM, etc... all have more than enough of the stuff to get things done. Will add a bit of STPP when using modern liquid detergents, and of course when using soaps (P&G, Kirkman's, and Fels), and the NOS vintage Persil which is mainly washing soda, sodium perborate and soap.
I still have a stash of phosphated Cascade powder I picked up at Grocery Outlet a couple three years back. Recently I found some tubs of phosphated Cascade packets and I've been working through those as well. Easier to dose the DW with esp when the powder has grown some gravel that clogs the delivery chute.
Restock it
Looks as if their selling commercial grade Cacade.
I'm confused! The add it says that it "cleans with unbeatable tri sodium phosphate" ?
If in fact that's the difference, why not add a little to the new stuff?
Or if it's Sodium Tri Polyphosphate ( makes more sense to me) then add it?
I'm I over simplifying ?
Looks as if their selling commercial grade Cacade.
I'm confused! The add it says that it "cleans with unbeatable tri sodium phosphate" ?
If in fact that's the difference, why not add a little to the new stuff?
Or if it's Sodium Tri Polyphosphate ( makes more sense to me) then add it?
I'm I over simplifying ?
mich
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Confirmed...
Unfortunately, due to environmental laws passed in the state of NY, and expected legislature to follow in other states, Procter & Gamble has stopped production of all Phosphate fueled automatic dishwashing formulas, including Institutional Cascade, as of 8/31/2013. The remaining supply's are starting to become short due to demand, and once it's gone, it'll be gone
Unfortunately, due to environmental laws passed in the state of NY, and expected legislature to follow in other states, Procter & Gamble has stopped production of all Phosphate fueled automatic dishwashing formulas, including Institutional Cascade, as of 8/31/2013. The remaining supply's are starting to become short due to demand, and once it's gone, it'll be gone
Told Ya So
Once you start losing major markets like New York State consumer products have to consider carefully how to proceed. With other states added and or expected to follow not to mention constant snooping by tree huggers and the organic mother's brigade; is it really worth the hassle?
Will be interesting to see if other makers of institutional dishwasher products follow suit.
Once you start losing major markets like New York State consumer products have to consider carefully how to proceed. With other states added and or expected to follow not to mention constant snooping by tree huggers and the organic mother's brigade; is it really worth the hassle?
Will be interesting to see if other makers of institutional dishwasher products follow suit.
Saw the new non-phosphate version on the shelf at GFS last night. Doesn't appear to contain chlorine either. The new is probably just different packaging of one of their existing phosphate free products.
mich
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Did..
by chance, did they have any remaining stock of the good stuff?
alongside the new stuff.
by chance, did they have any remaining stock of the good stuff?
alongside the new stuff. No, in fact when I was there a week or so ago, they had no Cascade whatsoever.
mich
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Sad...
Looks like the demise of Phosphate Laden cleaning products is at full swing.
Looks like the demise of Phosphate Laden cleaning products is at full swing.
