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I dropped into Habitat for Humanity last week to peruse the used dishwashers and to my surprise there were none!!  I was surprised because the previous week there were about 15 of them.  I asked the sales lady where they went and she said there was some new Federal law that prohibits them from selling the used dishwashers anymore.  She wasn't exactly sure what it was about but said it had something to do with Lead.

 

Does anyone know about any of this?  Has anyone else heard this?  In my area the old machines just don't turn up often on Craigslist so Habitat was a great resource for me.  I got my GE Potscrubber, my KUDS21 and my KDS20 there.  Each for $25 which is really cheap.
 
GASP!!  A sad day indeed.

 

I stopped at the Habitat ReStore downtown on Friday and there were also no dishwashers, not one.  Last week there were ten or more.  I didn't ask, just thought they may have consolidated them with the stock at their 2nd location out in the western part of the city.  

 

The lead content in pipes and fittings could be the culprit.  It doesn't appear dishwashers are exempt from new lead-content laws that went into effect Jan 4, 2014.

http://www.fwwebb.com/lead_free/index.php
 
Federal Law Prevents Reselling Used DWs?

Thats ridicules, someone badly misinterpreted something, ask the store owner to show you the law. Is your Habitat Store still accepting used DWs as donations?, if so call a news reporter and get them to film them destroying good used donations that people are righting off their federal and state taxes.

I suspect that Habitat just decided not to bother with used DWs any longer, they generally are hard to sell and bring little money for the store. The non-profir store I work with often has so many used built-in DWs that they sometimes sell them for $5 or even give them away and finally when I go in there every month or so I usually direct them to just scrap many of them. Last month I even had them scrap 3 older Mieles along with about a dozen other machines.

John L.
 
Not to Hi Jack but related to water,

Oh the EPA or whom ever is concerned about lead.

But it's OK to heavily chlorinate, add fluoride, add arsenic and raise levels of toxins to a higher percentage.

There is more crap in tap water to the point where I had to buy a Chlorine Filter for my shower, a water distiller, and 2 Brita Filters that I use for cooking and rinsing vegetables.
 
Not to Hi Jack but related to water,

Oh the EPA or whom ever is concerned about lead.

But it's OK to heavily chlorinate, add fluoride, add arsenic and raise levels of toxins to a higher percentage.

There is more crap in tap water to the point where I had to buy a Chlorine Filter for my shower, a water distiller, and 2 Brita Filters that I use for cooking and rinsing vegetables.
 
Doesn't matter who you vote for, unless there is the "AutomaticWasher Party," you'll still get the Eco/Health-Nazi's marching in on your parade, just to differing degrees, I guess. 

 

If this is true, all I have to say would appear in Symbols, Stars and Bleeps!
 
Was recently thinking I wouldnt be that surprised if we heard that the Feds pass "legislation" that citizens will be required to have energy effecient appliances no more than xx years old. It will fall to townships to enforce through local building codes. My first reaction to my thought was that could never happen. How could they dictate what appliances we can and cant have in our private homes. But Im not so sure anymore with all the new BS thats thrown at us every day.
 
The federal government can't legislate what you can put in your own home. What they can do is legislate what manufacturers can legally sell, which is how they dictate water usage of new appliances.

 

Local government has more power with regard to building codes but they can only enforce what new products are being initially installed. Believe me, no Building and Safety department I've ever dealt with, and that's quite a few, has the time, inclination or budget to go into an existing home and look at old appliances. Some cities do have inspections of rental properties and might check out appliances but they'll never get into owner-occupied housing.
 
Here is what the website says about the change:
Due to new federal regulations we can no longer accept plumbing items that deliver potable water. This restriction includes kitchen and bathroom sink faucets, dishwashers, and water heaters along with the plumbing fittings that lead to these items.

Without knowing the purpose of the new regulation, it is hard to guess if it is a good one or not.

http://www.habitatncc.org/restore/donations.php
 
If the regulators are that concerned about potable water, they should make dishwashers rinse better so that dishes, glasses etc. don't emerge from the machines with detergent film left by inadequate rinsing. As usual, they are gagging on gnats and swallowing camels.
 
From Joe's link

Are dishwashers considered devices that supply drinking water?
Dishwashers are not specifically listed as an exempt product and as such should be discussed with the Authority Having Jurisdiction.

Since they are concerned about lead in brass (according to this article), I guess the inlet valve is the part they are targeting.
 
in the FAQ.s on the website.......

Are dishwashers considered devices that supply drinking water?

Dishwashers are not specifically listed as an exempt product and as such should be discussed with the Authority Having Jurisdiction.
 
Popcorn. How that Eugene loves to tickle !

All we have to do is wait for big Al of Salt Lake. He runs a Habitat and is as rational as an equation; he'll give us the true scoop if there really is one.
 
Dishwashers haven't been built with brass water valves for ages, and nobody reuses the cut off sweated copper connections that supply the nylon valve in the first place.

Man, this one is honestly over-the-top. Sheesh.

Ben
 
You would probably not want the pollution found in China nor the wages. It's not just the lack of standards for their factories that sent American corporations over there. It is people working for teeny tiny wages who live in dorms that could double as prisons with so much lead in the air, soil and water around the battery plants that children cannot go near them. The cancer rates around and downriver from certain factories are sky high. You probably would not want family members or good friends subjected to that. You probably would not knowingly buy garlic grown in China in all of that pollution, but the garlic you find in stores with all of the roots cut off is probably from China. Buy locally grown or organic or stuff clearly labeled "California grown garlic" at Costco. Why the hell do we need to grow garlic in China? The poultry people are working on a deal to send frozen chicken parts to China to make chicken tenders to be shipped back to this country WITHOUT BEING LABELED "PROCESSED IN CHINA" or "PRODUCT OF CHINA" because the lax country of origin laws don't demand that and if you are worried about the food standards in a country that permitted milk to be adulterated with Melamine, just check the link below. Melamine is best used outside the body. They are still our enemy and if the only way they can beat us is to poison us, well that works for them, too. Part of the poison that is killing us is our unchecked greed.

http://thinkbusiness.nus.edu/articles/item/118-tainted-milk-unravelling-china’s-melamine-scandal
 
An 'AutomaticWasher Party'

Would get my vote!!

I cannot imagine how preventing older dishwashers from being resold and reused is of any benefit to the environment... And lead in the machines? PLEASE! What about all the machines that were in use for the past 30-odd years?? Sorry, I just don't get it...
 
Lead In DWs ?

All DWs had a brass fitting that was part of the inlet vale until recently, and many still do. It is not illegal to use brass [ which contains lead ] in plumbing fittings [ California does require brass fittings and items that contain them to be labeled as a possible health risk however ].

I cannot imagine that the tiny bit of brass in the inlet fitting could ever leach a detectable amount of lead onto clean dishes that would be consumed when eating off the DW washed dishes.

John L.
 
Big Al

Is on his way with the scoop, and it's a doozy, but will make perfect sense when you think it through--nothing to do with lead, though.

 

Had a wonderful chat with him; he is an Aworg Treasure!
 
Eddie ...

I hate to break it to you but your Brita filters are NOT filtering out the fluoride.

Only one filtration system (aside from reverse osmosis) on the market can do that: the Berkey.
 
I was at the local Ace hardware looking to fix my vintage faucet and about 1/3 of the repair kits were pulled because of this, probably this law. He said it was because of possible lead. He didn't seem too happy about it. Of course my repair kit was one of the ones that went missing.
 

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