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Popcorn. How that Eugene loves to tickle !

All we have to do is wait for big Al of Salt Lake. He runs a Habitat and is as rational as an equation; he'll give us the true scoop if there really is one.
 
Dishwashers haven't been built with brass water valves for ages, and nobody reuses the cut off sweated copper connections that supply the nylon valve in the first place.

Man, this one is honestly over-the-top. Sheesh.

Ben
 
You would probably not want the pollution found in China nor the wages. It's not just the lack of standards for their factories that sent American corporations over there. It is people working for teeny tiny wages who live in dorms that could double as prisons with so much lead in the air, soil and water around the battery plants that children cannot go near them. The cancer rates around and downriver from certain factories are sky high. You probably would not want family members or good friends subjected to that. You probably would not knowingly buy garlic grown in China in all of that pollution, but the garlic you find in stores with all of the roots cut off is probably from China. Buy locally grown or organic or stuff clearly labeled "California grown garlic" at Costco. Why the hell do we need to grow garlic in China? The poultry people are working on a deal to send frozen chicken parts to China to make chicken tenders to be shipped back to this country WITHOUT BEING LABELED "PROCESSED IN CHINA" or "PRODUCT OF CHINA" because the lax country of origin laws don't demand that and if you are worried about the food standards in a country that permitted milk to be adulterated with Melamine, just check the link below. Melamine is best used outside the body. They are still our enemy and if the only way they can beat us is to poison us, well that works for them, too. Part of the poison that is killing us is our unchecked greed.

 
An 'AutomaticWasher Party'

Would get my vote!!

I cannot imagine how preventing older dishwashers from being resold and reused is of any benefit to the environment... And lead in the machines? PLEASE! What about all the machines that were in use for the past 30-odd years?? Sorry, I just don't get it...
 
Lead In DWs ?

All DWs had a brass fitting that was part of the inlet vale until recently, and many still do. It is not illegal to use brass [ which contains lead ] in plumbing fittings [ California does require brass fittings and items that contain them to be labeled as a possible health risk however ].

I cannot imagine that the tiny bit of brass in the inlet fitting could ever leach a detectable amount of lead onto clean dishes that would be consumed when eating off the DW washed dishes.

John L.
 
Big Al

Is on his way with the scoop, and it's a doozy, but will make perfect sense when you think it through--nothing to do with lead, though.

 

Had a wonderful chat with him; he is an Aworg Treasure!
 
Eddie ...

I hate to break it to you but your Brita filters are NOT filtering out the fluoride.

Only one filtration system (aside from reverse osmosis) on the market can do that: the Berkey.
 
I was at the local Ace hardware looking to fix my vintage faucet and about 1/3 of the repair kits were pulled because of this, probably this law. He said it was because of possible lead. He didn't seem too happy about it. Of course my repair kit was one of the ones that went missing.
 
Dishwasher and ReStore

Hello everyone. Thank you to Mickey for such nice words! I need to clarify something first, however. I do not work for the ReStore; rather I volunteer there about 3 times/month (repairing/restoring/testing appliances, of course!). I have been volunteering there for about 4 years. I have not heard of this restriction on selling dishwashers and I just put a portable & a built in on the sales floor last Saturday. But very coincidentally the warehouse manager & I were discussing the subject of selling them. He was saying that if he had his preference he would not sell the dishwashers and that the only reason the store did was that there was a definite demand for them, and they brought in money. His issue/concern stems from the fact that, although we warrant all the appliances for 30 days, bringing a dishwasher back is not as easy as bringing back a washer, dryer, range, etc. The dishwasher removal is a more involved process and the experience makes for a fairly bad impression on the customer. Additionally, if the problem with the machine goes unnoticed for a number of days (e.g. a slow leak that goes behind the machine instead of in front) it can result in property damage and possible liability for the store (good lawyers can get around the "As-Is" wording). All this can translate into very bad P.R. and keep a customer from coming back for a future purchase. Since the vast majority of the revenue which the store generates goes towards addressing homelessness it is critical to keep revenue coming in. As much as I love keeping older machines running and in circulation, it's more important to keep customers. This thinking by store managers may be driving the decision to discontinue selling dishwashers in some locations? That would make more sense. John L. is correct...there is not enough "pipe" on these appliances to endanger anyone from an increased exposure to lead!! Do Federal officials think we're that dumb?

We don't sell many vintage machines, except for the occasional KDS 20, 21, 22,or 23. We don't sell anything else older than 10 years, and those are usually good condition Whirlpools, Kenmores, and Maytags. The other vintage machines (which I love!) are too hard to get parts for & there is not too much of a market for them (I know, what's wrong with these people? LOL)

I will ask the warehouse manager tomorrow about this to see what he's heard. My gut feeling is that this is a jurisdictional issue. Greg's post mentioned the law went into affect Jan 4, which was almost a month ago. If it were an issue we would have heard about it by now. Also, Joe's link takes you to the website for the New Castle, DE store. The website for my store mentions nothing about this. I will let everyone know what he says.

Sorry for such a long post.
 
This whole thing is ridiculous. Thousands of tons of lead makes its way back into the environment from CRT televisions that are not recycled. And that doesn't include lead from solder in rejected electronics, especially from countries like China and others that don't follow the Rohs directive. It's just more b/s to aggravate people like us that that appreciate quality appliances and to force planned obsolescence on us. Makes me furious.
 
Thanks Alan,

I hope you're right. If I can't go to the ReStore to hopefully fine something of quality that I can't buy new I won't go at all.

B.
 
Now we have heard it all-the stupid regulation folks strike again-the folks making the laws on things end up being the most ignorant about the subject-brass parts in dishwashers and even plumbing fixtures that dispense water are NOT an issue-what negegilable amount of lead that is in brass parts gets covered by calcium and other mineral deposits from the water on the inside of plumbing,pipes,fixtures and such-There are older homes fed with LEAD pipes that aren't leaching lead into the water into that house or building becuase of the protective mineral deposits from the water.The Chicken Littles are at it again!!WHEN IS THIS NONESENSE GOING TO STOP!!!???It is so STUPID!!!Now perfectcally good dishwashers,plumbing fixtures go to the landfill or recycling when they can be recycled better by going to another owner that appreciates them.
 
Are you joking??

"Why on earth would anyone that still has their teeth want to remove Fluoride from their water supply, even at my advanced age I have yet to even have a crown let alone loose any teeth and I have been drinking Fluoridated water since the 50s."

Because fluoride is a neurotoxin, and is proven to cause:

-- damage to the male reproductive system, resulting in, at best, impotence and infertility, and at worst, testicular cancer.

-- From the National Research Council (2006): "It is apparent that fluorides have the ability to interfere with the functions of the brain.” The EPA classifies fluoride as a chemical for which there is “substantial evidence of developmental neurotoxicity.” This includes autism in children, and dementia and Alzheimer's in adults.

-- There have been 24 studies from China, Iran, India and Mexico that show an association between fluoride exposure and reduced IQ.

-- Fluoride also affects the pineal gland, triggering early puberty.

-- Fluoride negatively impacts thyroid function. The Department of Health and Human Services has pegged fluoride exposure in fluoridated communities to their increased instances to hypothyroidism (underactive thyroid). Not surprising, given the rampant and increasing problem of hypothyroidism in the United States and other fluoridated countries. Symptoms of hypothyroidism include depression, fatigue, weight gain, muscle and joint pains, increased cholesterol levels, and heart disease. In 2010, the second-most-prescribed drug of the year was Synthroid (sodium levothyroxine) which is a hormone replacement drug used to treat an underactive thyroid.

-- Fluoride causes symptoms of arthritis.

-- Fluoride damages bone, increasing instances of hip fractures in the elderly. One Chinese study looked at hip fractures in six Chinese villages, and found an increase in hip fractures as the concentration of fluoride rose from 1 ppm (parts per million) to 8 ppm.

As is often the case, other countries have wised up before the U.S. has (mostly because, of course, public policy in the U.S. is overwhelmingly slanted in favor of industrial interests, rather than the good of the public health). Water fluoridation has been banned in many countries, including China, Austria, Belgium, Finland, Germany, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, the Netherlands, Hungary, and Japan.

Nearly all of Europe’s water supply is now fluoride-free. And by the way, children aren't getting any more cavities in those countries than American children. Why? Because the whole premise of fluoridating the water supply -- even if fluoride had no negative health effects -- is flawed right from the start: its benefits to our teeth (marginal as they are) are only realized if the fluoride is physically on your teeth for AT LEAST three minutes at a time, not in micro-second bursts when you drink down glasses of water. Remember those old-school dental "fluoride treatments" where the dentist stuffed our mouths with molded sponges and left us sitting there for what felt like forever? THAT is how fluoride (marginally) benefits our teeth.

Not only do I filter out the fluoride from my water, I refuse to even use toothpaste containing fluoride.[this post was last edited: 1/29/2014-06:26]
 
Thinking back over the last month or so of my usual Friday stops at the Restore location(s) here, I recall now signs in the plumbing department selling off "sinks & lavatories with attached faucets" for $5, far less than their usual pricing of $35-50.  Not knowing the reason, I figured they were selling off inventory before the new year.   

 

I only noticed the dishwashers were all gone last week but thinking about it, there were also no kitchen or bath faucets, nor sinks with faucets attached - a normal sight at Habitat.

 

A couple of weeks ago, I grabbed a wall-hung lavatory I'd had my eye on for a while.  For only $5 instead of $50, how could I lose?  Imagine my good fortune!  Lol  I love these old Crane fixtures and thought it would make a cool replacement for the pedestrian, big-box white pedestal sink in the room now.  I'd been doing some reading and research on replacing and rebuilding the faucet & drain parts.  I guess I'd better order the parts I may need, who knows how far this "ban" will extend.  Ugh.

 

This is my sink (without the girl) but my sink is the jade-green color.


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