KDI-17

[davey7]

Drain Hose Leak.....

So I had friends over for a solstice dinner and noticed that something didn't sound right. The gosh darn dang drain hose was leaking in the corner cabinet. I guess I have a fun Sunday project....

Will those ribbed drain hoses work? Like the ones from Menards or Home Despot?

 

[qsd-dan]

Will those ribbed drain hoses work?

I vaguely remember Stevet warning not to use a corrugated drain hose. I stick with heater hose myself. Not sure what the pre 18's use but the 18-20 series use a goofy 5/8" hose from the water valve nipple so you'll probably need to put an adaptor somewhere between there and the disposer/drain nipple.

 

[combo52]

Drain hose for a 17 series KitchenAid dishwasher

I've used the corrugated plastic ones on these machines they'll work fine as long as the inside diameter doesn't get below a half inch roughly, the 17 series only had a one minute drain. And restrictions in the drain line can cause performance problems.

On Thursday this week I pulled out a KDC 17 from 1973. It had finally reached the end of its life, the customer had wanted to replace years ago, but we always told her it would be impossible because she had put a granite countertop over it in the kitchen floor is built up a full inch in front of the feet of the dishwasher.

It was quite a job to remove. I had to take a Sawsaw and cut all four corner frames off and pull the dishwasher out Carefully without damaging the floor.

I put a new Chinese GEADA dishwasher in because you can put it in and run the legs up. It looked good and I'm sure it will outlast the customer, it's kind of neat because the new Chinese GE actually makes a fair amount of noise. it sounds a little bit like a KitchenAid and with its much smaller interior tub Than a tall tub dishwasher actually has a little bit of the field of the KitchenAid.

The house in Bethesda, Maryland that it's in is a really cool 1958 house still has the original kitchen with the horizontal Thermidor wall oven.

 

[qsd-dan]

Here's Stevet's replies about corrugated hose in Reply's 7 and 12:

"Funny you mentioned the corrugated hose. When we moved into our house there was a GE profile dishwasher that my wife absolutely hated. She only had to live with it for about a week before my Kitchenaids arrived from the old house back in NY. I put in the KDS18 and used the corrugated hose left from the GE and found that we always had water left in the sump. I even changed the drain valve just to be sure it wasn't the problem but it continued to leave the water. Stupid me! I changed the hose back to a 5/8" auto heater hose and the water drained batter than ever and worked like the machine had always worked. It is amazing how much resistance there is in those hoses."

"KA's always had the smooth walled hoses going all the way back. The drain period and rate of discharge are all figured in together and with the smooth hose and the time period given to hold open the drain valves, it should also be adequate to drain the machine properly."

https://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?59700

 

[combo52]

Using a corrugated drain hose on a KD 17 dishwasher

Will work just fine if it's a half inch inside diameter like a whirlpool or newer KitchenAid corrugated drain hose.

GE corrugated drain hoses were quite small in diameter and will not work on a KitchenAid. Nobody is suggesting using such.

Interestingly, Hobart built KitchenAid's never came with a drain hose. They always expected you to supply that when you installed it many KD 17 and earlier dishwashers had copper drain lines that you sweated together.

We used to find that the KD 17 and earlier dishwashers would not drain fully with some air gaps because the pipe was too small in diameter in the air gap bend.

John

 

[stevet]

Undercounter mounting bracket solution

With so many people replacing their counters with Granite or other materials, there is a bracket to secure the dishwasher in place that screws into the cabinets on either side of the opening.

I have used them a few times without a hitch, and they can even be bought at Home depot or Lowes or your own choice of vender

https://www.amazon.com/EZVentures-D...8442c:amzn1.sym.27b41115-b206-47c3-8621-71309

 

[combo52]

Under countertop mounting brackets for dishwashers

I'm glad you posted this Steve. I really like these a lot of countertop companies in our area put these in when they do granite or other solid surface countertops and with all the holes provided it's always been easy to get the dishwasher properly attached.

Even though better dishwashers today, have provisions for side, mounting the dishwasher. I still prefer to mount them at the top if possible sometimes it's not as easy to mount them to various different cabinet styles or the dishwashers against the wall. You might only have drywall on one side, for example.

John

 

[davey7]

I ended up buying the smooth hose because it seemed like it was better made than the corrugated hose. I was too worn out yesterday to do anything with the dishwasher, it'll be later this week.

I've watched a couple video's about disassembly/connecting and reassembling/disconnecting. Any instructions for the right way to do it online (like a Kitchenaid instruction manual)? I assume that I have to disconnect the electric rather than unplug and put a tray under the water after turning it off....

I'm hoping pulling it exposes the electrical box that feeds the fridge, bathroom and counter receptacles so I can pull new wire to all of them.

 

[davey7]

Welp, it came out fine, but the drain hose broke in several places so I was on majorly borrowed time. I also realized that they rain the hose all the way to the back behind the unit rather than through the side like the water line.

And the electric for the dishwasher was done right, but for the lights, counter and fridge, well... That's another crazy story. Metallic cable going down is dishwasher, "romex" going up is to counter and undercabinet lights and to the right is to the fridge...