KDS-60 Wash Cycles Too Short

[beekeyknee]

My new to me KDS-60 wash cycles are too short and the pause to heat the water is also very short. My w/h is very close to my kitchen and is set on the highest setting. The incoming water temp. is 130 and that's before the burner kicks on. I just checked it after the burner has been on. It goes to a bit over 140. Could this be causing wash cycles to be too short in my KA?

The machine's working perfectly other than this. The pump has been rebuilt and it has all the typical KitchenAid sounds. It runs through it's cycles much faster than my Mothers. Her w/h is at the opposite end of the house. Anyone have ideas?

B.

 

[bigalsf]

Hi, what is the equivalent under-counter model?

 

[rp2813]

KDS20

 

[tomturbomatic]

What do you mean by "too short?" Are the dishes not being cleaned? The 20 series did not do heating to temperature while the water was circulating so heating would not extend the wash water recirculating times.

 

[rp2813]

Brian --

New responses to this issue have been posted in the "water heater temp" thread, so check there if you haven't revisited it lately.

 

[eronie]

short cycle

Ok where is the water heater temp thread?

 

[washdaddy]

water temp heat thread is #54483

the thread about water temps is under the SUPER forum on this site. It was posted by Revvinkevin.

 

[chachp]

Try this link.

To the other thread.

http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?54483_31~1

 

[beekeyknee]

Back and Forth

OK, now that we're in the proper forum and thread, here goes.

I read the service manual for the 20 series and the machine is operating as it should. It pauses to heat the water on the first fill with 1400 watts and after that it heats the water during pre-wash and wash cycles with 700 watts but doesn't pause the timer. This is proper operation according to the s/m.

The problem I've had was with smoothie glasses not coming clean (strawberries blended with Chobani yogurt). I didn't rinse out the glass. I just put it in the machine. Also, egg not coming off of spatulas. The egg thing doesn't bother me as I just take another spatula and scrape it off. The bottom and sides of a glass not coming clean is another matter. I'm going to try putting these glasses in the bottom rack directly over the jets on the hydro-sweep and see what happens. Otherwise I will rinse the glass out before I put it in the machine.

Ralph (Chach)- You're right. The water temps don't adjust the actual time of the cycle, but the heating element does run with the 700 watts while washing.

I have examined the rubber supply tube (#14) and it is perfect. In fact everything about this machine is perfect except for a couple of small things that wouldn't effect cleaning ability. It remains to be seen if I'll get these small things fixed.

Leslie- I had noticed the bottom wash arm wasn't fully seated on the wash arm shaft. I took the arm off, replaced it, turned it a bit and it suddenly dropped into place. The support shaft and bushing in the hydro-sweep are tight, as this machine has seen very little use. It turns smoothly but there is no play at all between the two. Thanks for noticing and causing me to investigate further.

 

[launderess]

With older Short Cycle Dishwashers

Probably is best to pre rinse and or wash items with egg/protein and or starch soils, especially if you are going to let them sit awhile before running the machine.

In theory chlorine bleach breaks down protein soils but enzyme based automatic dishwasher detergents do a better job. Also the enzyme products can start will cooler water to avoid "cooking" on the protein as well.

If this is one of the "one arm bandit" KitchenAid dishwashers there are several posts in the archives about loading and washing results. Some members loved theirs, others found it not to their liking. What does seem important is that water must be able to reach everywhere from below. It seems obvious yes I know but guess sometimes what we think won't block spray from reaching above in practice does.

 

[beekeyknee]

Hi Laundress,

The machine has two wash arms and the detergent I have been using is this. I have two boxes of it left.

 

[beekeyknee]

And I have three boxes of this.

 

[beekeyknee]

And three boxes of this.

 

[bigalsf]

Short wash cycles

Hi Brian, there is nothing wrong with your machine. The wash portions of all full wash cycles are only about 4 1/2 to 5 min long each. KitchenAid's instruction manual always suggests using two detergent washes (giving you a combined total of about 10 min wash time). Powder detergents (which I see you are using) will work best in these machines since a detergent pod/pack would not dissolve in time to allow the detergents/enzymes to work (and you'd have to use two).

That said the machine should have done a better job at cleaning those glasses. The only thing I can think of is that these machines did not clean tall things well if they were in the outer corners. Try putting them closer to the center. Hope that helps.

I had a KDP 20 as a daily driver and thought it worked very well, but it did have issues with dried on foods (again not enough actual washing time). Good luck!

 

[chachp]

I must have a good one.

When I found my KDS-20 at Habitat it looked like it had been "rode hard and put away wet."  That poor thing had a piece of plywood as the front panel, the inside was literally orange from the rust in the water, the drain valve leaked like crazy and the water feed tube to the upper wash arm had a huge gash on the underside.

 

I cleaned her up, repaired the other two issues and that thing has been running like a champ ever since.   I don't pre-rinse for the most part.  The only pre-rinsing done at my house is by my little helper below.  LOL.  As I was looking through my pictures I found this one where one of my smoothie glasses was in the corner and came out clean.  I wonder if maybe the way I had it loaded, it was getting washing power from the lower wash arm?

 

 

[tomturbomatic]

If you are going to put unrinsed smoothie containers in and let them sit before washing, you probably should use the soak cycle on the machine to give the water action and the chemicals in the detergent time to work on the tough dried-on soil. I would rather use a bit of cold water to rinse foods like that away before stacking the item in the dishwasher, but that's just me.