KitchenAid KD-12 merges with a KD-14, does that make it a KD-13???
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rollermatic
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congrats on your "new kd-13"!!
i have always loved your window and lite you added, now it's even better with it's own little detergent dispensor and the brain of a kd-14!
you should have been working for hobart when they origionally designed all these classics! at least we could all see the action going on as i'm sure every model would have had a window! at least the suberbas!
so what is the purpose of the little device you added that sits next to the fill solonoid in the above pic? i'm gonna guess some type of timer motor delay to extend a wash. looking forward to the full explanation.
seeing this thread is making me eager to tear into the kd-14 i have now sitting in my living room! and i agree they are very good performers, i use my kd-12 almost everyday and love it!
beautiful dishwasher you have there! you should be proud!
i have always loved your window and lite you added, now it's even better with it's own little detergent dispensor and the brain of a kd-14!
you should have been working for hobart when they origionally designed all these classics! at least we could all see the action going on as i'm sure every model would have had a window! at least the suberbas!
so what is the purpose of the little device you added that sits next to the fill solonoid in the above pic? i'm gonna guess some type of timer motor delay to extend a wash. looking forward to the full explanation.
seeing this thread is making me eager to tear into the kd-14 i have now sitting in my living room! and i agree they are very good performers, i use my kd-12 almost everyday and love it!
beautiful dishwasher you have there! you should be proud!
Hi Guys, here is the answer:
This KD-12 is a gravity drain, I absoutely love gravity drain dishwashers. All three dishwashers in the kitchen are gravity drain. The KD-10 thru KD-12 gravity drain machines have a neutral drain meaning the pump is turned off during the drain cycle (at least one increment of it). I like the neutral drain because you can see all the water drop down the sump and down the drain and hear the big gurgle when its all gone in about six seconds. The KD-14 does not do that, it runs the pump during the entire drain cycle and the spray slowly comes to an end. So I put the relay in which is controlled by the drain solenoid circuit. When the drain solenoid is de-energized (to allow the machine to drain) the relay cuts the power to the motor and allows for a neutral drain. I could have simply wired the pump and drain solenoid in parallel together, but the problem is that if you open the door during any wash or rinse cycle the drain solenoid stays energized (so all the wash/rinse water doesn't all fall down the drain). If I did that it wouldn't cut the pump motor off when I opened the door which would be bad, I like my showers in the bathroom.
Everything else is original, btw.
This KD-12 is a gravity drain, I absoutely love gravity drain dishwashers. All three dishwashers in the kitchen are gravity drain. The KD-10 thru KD-12 gravity drain machines have a neutral drain meaning the pump is turned off during the drain cycle (at least one increment of it). I like the neutral drain because you can see all the water drop down the sump and down the drain and hear the big gurgle when its all gone in about six seconds. The KD-14 does not do that, it runs the pump during the entire drain cycle and the spray slowly comes to an end. So I put the relay in which is controlled by the drain solenoid circuit. When the drain solenoid is de-energized (to allow the machine to drain) the relay cuts the power to the motor and allows for a neutral drain. I could have simply wired the pump and drain solenoid in parallel together, but the problem is that if you open the door during any wash or rinse cycle the drain solenoid stays energized (so all the wash/rinse water doesn't all fall down the drain). If I did that it wouldn't cut the pump motor off when I opened the door which would be bad, I like my showers in the bathroom.
Everything else is original, btw.
mickeyd
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Oh God, no......you didn't ;>
You could have had a dishwasher that works with the door open. That would be heaven for me, watching the water show and showering in the kitchen during clean-up. Oh well, to each, his own. Thanks for the breakfast treats, esp. the 6 second gurgling gravity drain. Love it. You need a gravity draining wringer washer, Man ;'D
You could have had a dishwasher that works with the door open. That would be heaven for me, watching the water show and showering in the kitchen during clean-up. Oh well, to each, his own. Thanks for the breakfast treats, esp. the 6 second gurgling gravity drain. Love it. You need a gravity draining wringer washer, Man ;'D
mickeyd
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Hey Robert, I missed the thread from 2008 you linked in the
There is a video half-way down the thread, friends, of the pink KD 13 or 26 (12+14) with the glass door.
It's quite a show. You can see everything. Had no idea the iron arm moved so fast. You'd only need a shower once a week after that.
Thanks, again
There is a video half-way down the thread, friends, of the pink KD 13 or 26 (12+14) with the glass door.
It's quite a show. You can see everything. Had no idea the iron arm moved so fast. You'd only need a shower once a week after that.
Thanks, again
redcarpetdrew
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I knew that...
I was just >playing< confused.. (Ducks and runs...)
RCD
I was just >playing< confused.. (Ducks and runs...)
RCD
Can you
Imagine the cast iron spray arm on full blast when you open the door?? I think you should have left it that way then you could mop the floor all in one cleaning operation.
Imagine the cast iron spray arm on full blast when you open the door?? I think you should have left it that way then you could mop the floor all in one cleaning operation.
may63
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Oh Dear
My apologies if I'm hijacking this thread a bit. I'm confused. I've been trying to figure out which Kitchenaid I grew up with. As I recall:
The outside basically looked like Robert's (except it had been painted brown).
The detergent dispenser was the little wire basket.
The cast iron washarm was gray.
The start switch started the fill with no purge and the motor off, then paused for about two seconds before launching into the wash.
The gravity drain always opened with the motor running.
The cycle was one wash with two rinses (then the forced air dry).
I had saved a rack wheel which Robert and I compared to his machine's. They were not a match. So we assumed I grew up with a KD-10 or KD-11, but I swear the motor ran during the gravity drains.
Thoughts?
My apologies if I'm hijacking this thread a bit. I'm confused. I've been trying to figure out which Kitchenaid I grew up with. As I recall:
The outside basically looked like Robert's (except it had been painted brown).
The detergent dispenser was the little wire basket.
The cast iron washarm was gray.
The start switch started the fill with no purge and the motor off, then paused for about two seconds before launching into the wash.
The gravity drain always opened with the motor running.
The cycle was one wash with two rinses (then the forced air dry).
I had saved a rack wheel which Robert and I compared to his machine's. They were not a match. So we assumed I grew up with a KD-10 or KD-11, but I swear the motor ran during the gravity drains.
Thoughts?
aldspinboy
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Very nice upgrade Robert, it is always amazing to see what you will do next.
I have to agree with Brent a computer controlled machine with TRUE infinite cycles like ---
Soak and spray cycle for a heavy duty load.
Is that possible for the future ?
Or a secret ...
Darren k.
I have to agree with Brent a computer controlled machine with TRUE infinite cycles like ---
Soak and spray cycle for a heavy duty load.
Is that possible for the future ?
Or a secret ...
Darren k.
kcleveland205
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Timer switch for a KD-12
I have a KD-12 that the timer has gone out on. Any idea where I can get a replacement? I have used the unit daily for 9 years. Thanks
D Cleveland
Birmingham, AL
I have a KD-12 that the timer has gone out on. Any idea where I can get a replacement? I have used the unit daily for 9 years. Thanks
D Cleveland
Birmingham, AL
Robert, when the dispenser opens, does the tablet slide completely out or is it held in place for a while until it dissolves a bit? Does the tablet dissolve in the 8 minute wash? How much of it is supposed to be left behind to provide the rinse agent for spot-free drying?
The dispenser in my 14 allowed the detergent for the main wash to be washed out during the prewash, leaving a less than optimal dose for the main wash. I wonder how many of these KitchenAids gave less than stellar wash performance because of insufficient detergent in the main wash. My 14's dispenser has a little metal piece near the bottom of the prewash chamber. After many attempts to correct the washing away of the main wash detergent, I finally was able to slip a section of rubber hose over that metal bar to deflect the water and save the main wash detergent. Also, the gel formulas did not dissolve away as fast as the powders.
The dispenser in my 14 allowed the detergent for the main wash to be washed out during the prewash, leaving a less than optimal dose for the main wash. I wonder how many of these KitchenAids gave less than stellar wash performance because of insufficient detergent in the main wash. My 14's dispenser has a little metal piece near the bottom of the prewash chamber. After many attempts to correct the washing away of the main wash detergent, I finally was able to slip a section of rubber hose over that metal bar to deflect the water and save the main wash detergent. Also, the gel formulas did not dissolve away as fast as the powders.
Good questions Tom, I was wondering the exact same thing. I've run three loads now where I've sat there and watched the dispenser door open. Two of the three times the tab dropped down, not far enough to fall out, but far enough that it was melted before the fill even stopped. The other time it was stuck up in there but the water spray flushed up into the dispenser and in less than 30 seconds I saw powder drop down and out of the dispenser as the wrapper melted. I think tabs in that dispenser is the way to go since it takes a bit more than residual water to get them to melt.
Thanks, Robert. So this is not one of those things that has the lump of detergent around the bead of stuff that serves as the rinse aid? I must have this confused with what are called tablets or something. Have you tried the tablet things yet in any of your machines? Did you try these packets when the machine just had the warm-up spray? If so, was the spray enough to dissolve the wrapper so that you lost detergent?
magic clean
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Tom
the hard compressed tablets are not recommended for short dishwashing cycles. There is a chance that it would not fully dissolve. The "pac" type with the water soluble starch film seems to go into solution faster.
Neat dispenser there Robert!
the hard compressed tablets are not recommended for short dishwashing cycles. There is a chance that it would not fully dissolve. The "pac" type with the water soluble starch film seems to go into solution faster.
Neat dispenser there Robert!
detergent lumps
Leslie, Thanks. I kinda figured they would not dissolve fast enough for older machines.
Leslie, Thanks. I kinda figured they would not dissolve fast enough for older machines.
I like the Cascade Complete...
It works really well in my newer Bosch and the KDS-17A. But let's face it, at close to $9 a big box it gets a little pricy. Kroger has them on sale this week for $5.99. That's a steel so I stocked up. So boys, if you have a Kroger close by check it out and see if it's on sale in your locale as well.
Robert, love your dishwasher BTW. I, too, am surprised by how fast that washarm turns. I sure would love to have one of those in my kitchen!!
It works really well in my newer Bosch and the KDS-17A. But let's face it, at close to $9 a big box it gets a little pricy. Kroger has them on sale this week for $5.99. That's a steel so I stocked up. So boys, if you have a Kroger close by check it out and see if it's on sale in your locale as well.
Robert, love your dishwasher BTW. I, too, am surprised by how fast that washarm turns. I sure would love to have one of those in my kitchen!!
dnastrau
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kcleveland205: timer repair
I would try the company in the link below. Please post your results as this is a "new" vendor that no one here has used yet.
Good luck!
Andrew S.
I would try the company in the link below. Please post your results as this is a "new" vendor that no one here has used yet.
Good luck!
Andrew S.
Appliance Timer and Stove Clock Repair and Replacement - Ranges, Washers, Dryers, Dishwashers
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austinado16
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Very cool upgrades Robert!
I'm pretty sure my '59 KD12 runs the pump during the drain. As the water falls away, the pump looses pressure and the arm stops spinning. I'll pay attention when it runs tonight. I made a clear lexan "door" for mine so I could watch it run with the entire door open. Very fun!
I've got my dispenser basket over on the far front right corner, and I don't believe it gets partially rinsed out during the pre-fill. I've seen some manuals that suggest placing a drinking glass over it to protect it until the wash arm starts spinning and blasts the detergent out of it.
I'm pretty sure my '59 KD12 runs the pump during the drain. As the water falls away, the pump looses pressure and the arm stops spinning. I'll pay attention when it runs tonight. I made a clear lexan "door" for mine so I could watch it run with the entire door open. Very fun!
I've got my dispenser basket over on the far front right corner, and I don't believe it gets partially rinsed out during the pre-fill. I've seen some manuals that suggest placing a drinking glass over it to protect it until the wash arm starts spinning and blasts the detergent out of it.
Robert hows it running?
Hey Robert,
Just curious about your KDS-13...
I am sure it was fun to hear the change of the different cycles and such, not to mention having a dispenser.
Do you find that it is a better performer cleaning wise with the added cycles? Or was the older timer cycles just as good?
I am sure that after you finish with the website changes you will be working on a computer program to run it with. You can then call it your "Digital Controlled KDS-13".
Brent
Hey Robert,
Just curious about your KDS-13...
I am sure it was fun to hear the change of the different cycles and such, not to mention having a dispenser.
Do you find that it is a better performer cleaning wise with the added cycles? Or was the older timer cycles just as good?
I am sure that after you finish with the website changes you will be working on a computer program to run it with. You can then call it your "Digital Controlled KDS-13".
Brent
I'm pretty sure my '59 KD12 runs the pump during the drain.
Mine had the gravity drain timer in it, in all three 2-increment (45 seconds each increment) drain cycles it turned the pump off the 2nd increment. The five drain cycles on the KD-14 timer are only 1 45 second increment, so I like moment of silence.
Mine had the gravity drain timer in it, in all three 2-increment (45 seconds each increment) drain cycles it turned the pump off the 2nd increment. The five drain cycles on the KD-14 timer are only 1 45 second increment, so I like moment of silence.
