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Jons.. There are a few things you should know about this series of dishwashers.
First and foremost, they were built by Hobart and were built like tanks and it weighs nearly 200 lbs so get a buddy to help you move it around and into place.

It was probably made around 1980-81.

It will probably last a good many more years and some parts are still available for it.
It used many of the same parts as the 15 thru 20 series like the washarms and the 18 thru 20 washarm supports. These are still available as well as the pump motors either from whirlpool or other parts dealers, or guys like some of us on here who cant deal with getting rid of old machines or various parts of them.
Like the blower unit..I should have a few of them hanging around if you want one. I converted mine to dry with hot air since the unit was in my garage and during the winter would not do a good job of drying with the cold garage air. What a drying machine it became.. no water at all left on the dishes and super hot to the touch.

The KDS19, in fact all the 19 series machines were the first of the energy savers that Hobart marketed where they recommended turning down the water heater thermostat to 120 degrees and have the dishwasher do the work of heating the water. Like all the machines out there today that do the same thing, it makes for a very long cycle if the incoming water isn't hot when it gets to the machine. I would strongly recommend that you insulate the hot water line from your supply source to the machine if you can and definitely wrap some additional unfaced insulation around the machine and inside the door itself to increase the efficiency of the machine. It will also help quiet it down. Just make sure to use unfaced insulation and in the door, make sure you clear the detergent dispenser and the bimetal heaters. You will see what I mean when you remove the door panel. Remember the unit has only ambient room temperature air plus the residual heat left in the dishes themselves to dry with and if the area it is located in is very cold like on an outside wall it will affect the drying performance. The insulation will help as well as using a rinse agent to sheet the water off the dishes.

You won't be disappointed with the performance of the machine and once you find a detergent that works for you, it will clean the pants off many newer units. If you need racks for it, go to Ebay and buy them there and know that any rack from the 19 thru the 23 series will fit the machine.

Send a note to Kitchenaid and ask them to send you a copy of the use and care guide if your seller doesn't have his. They should still be able to photocopy one for you.

Let me know if there is anything I can help you out with and good luck. Post some pics of it when you get it installed.
 
Steve,

WOW! You guys really do know your stuff! Another member (Patrick) of the club is GIVING me this dishwasher and I couldn't be more excited about it. He's going to help me check the machine over and maybe fix the drying fan that he says is no longer working. I think otherwise he said the machine works just fine. Insulation is a very good idea and I'll definetly add some when installing since it will be up next to an exterior wall of a very old house. :-)

Tony, my partner, was really wanting all new appliances and i think he liked GE stuff. I stomach kind of churned a little bit at the thought of a plastic GE. Everything has to be black too (no problem there). Luckily, this Hobart appeared and spared me from spending money on a piece of crap!!!

It will be nice to actually hear water spraying really hard again! Who cares if it's a little louder right?

Jon
 
Hi Jon and SteveT

Jon,

The KD19 works like what has been described above. It seems in good shape and runs through the cycle with it's rapid advance timer and does all it's supposed to as far as I can tell. The motor is louder than what I have heard before so am not sure if this means it could fail in the future or just needs a little oiling. It may even run quieter with the machine installed and the front lower panel in place.

The only thing that doesn't work is the little fan that is supposed to blow non-heated air into the tub for drying. The squirrel cage barely turns by hand so I think the fan motor bearings are in bad shape. This is an easy replacement and if the wiring supports it, I suppose you could replace it with a heated fan. Maybe someone else can elaborate on whether any additional wiring is necessary on the heated versus the non heated fans and if the timer plays a role in telling the heater when to turn on and off.

I took the pump impeller apart from inside the machine and cleaned it out and everything seems to run well although I didn't wash any dirty dishes in it so can't give a performance report.

Anyway I'm sure you'll have fun with it and will learn a lot along the way.

Feel free to ask any other questions you may have.

Patrick
 
Thanks Patrick,

I think it'll be great! I actually don't use heated dry in my current dishwasher so I'm not too concerned about having heated dry in this one. I can find another drying fan for this one and swap them out I'm sure. I may try to find a replacement motor for it just in case sometime in the future it needs it. Never hurts to have parts on hand.

So...do you really have a 1-18 you need to cut loose? hehe

Jon
 
Patrick and the heated fan..

Just for the record, I have a few of those white plastic housing blowers in a box in my garage if you cant find one and

NO... the wiring is not capable of handling a heated blower assy which uses 800 watts of power. The wiring is like number 16 or 18 which will melt under that load.

I am not saying it cannot be done as I did the conversion myself but here is what you need to do:

REMOVE THE MACHINE FROM UNDER THE COUNTER.. ITS ALOT EASIER TO DO THAT WAY!

You will need to get a blower assembly with the mounting bracket from a 23 series dishwasher as well as the diffuser assy that goes in the right back corner of the machine.This is the only machine that has the right parts that will fit myour machine. It has a smaller diameter outlet on the metal blower housing to fit the diffuser.
You remove the white diffuser and the plastic fan from the old machine but reinstall the single screw and washer that goes thru the bottom of the tank so it won't leak.

Then you mount the new diffuser,gasket and locknut assy nice and tight so it won't leak any water and then install the blower into that housing under the machine.

You will also need a 2 pole contactor with a 115/120 volt coil.
To that contactor, you will connect the old wires from the fan to the coil terminals of the contactor. Where your power wires are connected(white and black wires that go to the right front of the machine, you will bring a new white and black wire of # 14 gauge stranded wire to one side of the contactor, attaching one black wire to one pole and one white wire to the other pole of the contactor. Then run 2 wires of the same gauge to the new heated blower assy. Run a black wire o one side of the hi limit thermostat on the housing which will also power one side of the blower motor and then run a white wire to the other side of the heating coil and the other side of the blower motor.

The unit will energize the contactor and send power to the fan and heating element whenever it would have normally turned the blower on before. You WON'T be able to turn off the heated air once you do this change. But it will dry the dishes rather well. All other aspects of the cycle and thier operations will remain the same.

I know it sounds like alot of work but you may want to try it.
let me know what you decide.
Steve
 
Steve/Patrick,

Personally, I like the idea of just replacing the blower with one that works or repairing it. I don't use heated drying in my current dishwasher and I probably won't use it in this one. I've found, at least in my Kenmore, that the heated drying damages plastic parts such as the flatware basket, etc. However, the idea having the drying fan is very nice. So basically...having the machine function as it would normally. Would probably be easier that way too.

Steve, do you have those non-heated fans for the KDS19? If so, perhaps I could buy one from you?

Jon
 

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