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Smear tactics seem to work.Nixon invented them, and Karl Rove is a master at directing them. Plus the U.S. has a very rich history of racism. Throw that in to help out.

Perhaps the swing voters will save us from Mcsame. I hope so.
Heard a speach he was giving somewhere today, and he was going on about how strong the economy is. Later in the day, he changed it to, "we need to CHANGE"

I had over $100,000.00 invested with Merrill Lynch. Not retirement money either. Just money that I had saved over the years. Do not know where I stand, but I am not happy about this at all. I did without many things, to save this much. It fukking sucks! These are things that happen under the republicans watch.
 
> I have a feeling one day, maybe even in my lifetime, this is all going to come to a bloody end (and I do mean bloody) and we will be that 3rd world country that hopefully others will feel sorry for enough to send us aid.

I pray fervently for that day. Did you know, in terms of both total number and percentage of population, the 'Land of the Free' now has more people behind prison bars than any other country on Earth? That includes Communist China, North Korea and Iran. 35% of those in our federal prisons are there for non-violent drug offenses. For all practical purposes, the majority of these people are political prisoners.

So you're "free" to work your 12 hour days, but dare to enjoy a joint afterward and the DEA will break your front door down, confiscate your home and car and throw you in jail.

I feel compelled to rant, but I also think the faster we plunge into totalitarianism and eventual fascism, the faster the revolution will happen. We've already seen its roots planted: the L.A. riots. Philadelphia. South Chicago. Sooner or later one of these revolts against the state is going to spread nationally, and that's when it'll happen. It'll be chaotic, and I think a lot of people are going to die. But according to Thomas Jefferson this blood is simply fertilizer for the tree of liberty:

"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is a lethargy -- the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13 states independent 11 years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century and a half for each state. *** What country before ever existed a century and a half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure. ***
 
jumping back about a dozen responses...

It's amazing how things have gone up. I 'live' at the dollar tree now, and I notice that even when everything is a dollar, things are affected. The size of packaging has shrunk and it's a wonder its not the two dollar store.

While I am not in dire straights yet, I am nearing the one year anniversary of buying my 50's rancher and constantly feel the pinch. I find myself cutting corners whenever I can, buying generic everything trying to set money aside for a rainy day (and all these projects!). It's a really hard time for everyone, let alone when you are first setting out on your own. :[
 
Poll all you want babe, the numbers showing up for rallies and even the convention in St. Paul have been quite pathetic. Perhaps Don (jetaction) will give us some more insight, but a few days after the moronic "Drill Baby Drill" chanting died down, most of the restaurants and hotels in the Twin Cities were calling it a BUST for business that week.

The GOP may have a bump in the polling since they pulled the runner-up beauty queen out of her trailer park, but with the press she's getting and opinions changing despite her newly polished image, this should be a good horse race come November. Voter registration has been overwhelmingly Democratic and far beyond usual numbers. We'll see...

Shane, you can just roll that McCain sign back onto the spindle in the bathroom next to the toilet - no need to waste it!
 
We'll see is right...=)

Honestly though, I could really care less who wins anyway. The candidate I REALLY wanted is not running. So, once again, I am choosing the lesser of 2 evils. At least with McCain, we don't have to worry about a sick, racist, pastor advising him or opening the Lincoln bedroom to a domestic terrorist like Obama's buddy,William Ayers.

How sad that it always seems to come down to that in this country.

My life, or standard of living, isn't going to change much other than my taxes going up under an Obama Administration in order to fund free healthcare for illegal aliens from Mexico.

So, to all the kool aid drinkers who think Obama is going to change the world and solve everyone's problems, you are in for a major disappointment should he somehow manage to win the presidency. I shudder to think of Obama at the helm if god forbid there is another terrorist attack. Maybe with any luck, Obama could talk with the terrorists and somehow stop it from happening?
 
When Genius Failed -- (and continues to fail)

Attempting to attribute squirreliness in our financial markets to an administration suggests a myopic understanding of the subject. Refresh my recollection, whose watch was it when Long Term Capital Management rose to heady heights and fell in 1998? A 1998 quote:

"Some industry officials said that Federal Reserve Bank of New York involvement in the rescue, however benign, would encourage large financial institutions to assume more risk, in the belief that the Federal Reserve would intervene on their behalf in the event of trouble."

These problems may well be a failure of government but neither the Replican nor the Democrat majorities or presidencies escape blame if it is.

This site, and this thread, simply focuses, like a short term chart behind a news broadcaster's head, on events and lacks historical understanding and perspective.

There are lots of reasons to select a candidate, but the activity of our financial markets is a bit tenous. A little more study would be needed of you want to "put" this deal onto a president.
 
"Bush and a Republican congress let this mess unfold on their watch."

Yes, they did, by doing nothing. I expect the market will take another hit tomorrow, between the news of Lehman's demise, and not a major downgrade of AIG by Moody's and other rating agencies. NOT GOOD!
 
Yes, Greed. Greed run amok.

Do any of you have any idea how the Bush and Cheney family holdings are doing in these "tough economic times" Does any reporter out there have the guts to do any investigative reporting on this topic?

Will you be surprised to learn that the Bush and Cheney family fortunes, heavily invested in "War Stocks"(i.e. Halliburton) and Oil money have done nothing but rise precipitously in the last 8 years? Will that really come as a shock?
 
Hmm,

It seems to me that there are two forms of guilt. Guilt of omission and guilt of commission.
No, we can not blame shrub & Co. for all aspects of this mess.
But it would be more than naive to assume that an administration which has run up the highest deficit in history (higher than all the deficits of all the administrations before them)...despite having begun with a nominally balanced budget is materially responsible for the enormous spikes and duration of these problems.
Or maybe the costs of these wars which are kept off the books are involved?
Or, perhaps, the lack of oversight?
Nah, it can't have anything to do with the administration, just as the trend towards a balanced budget can't possibly have anything to do with the hard work Regan began.
 
Since taking office in 2001, Cheney has been receiving $270,000 a year in "deferred" income from Halliburton, while he awarded his "ex" company multibillion dollar, no-bid government contracts. I wonder how many of us know that military targets were chosen in Iraq based on Halliburton's potential profit margins to rebuild them. No I'm not kidding.

Cheney's latest claim? He says he's not required to save the records of his office, because the office of VP is not part of the Executive Branch of our government. Who knew?

It's corruption, abuse of office and outright contempt for our Constitution unlike anything we've seen since Richard Nixon.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/07/AR2008090702260.html
 
Ah,

but that doesn't matter. The republicans can run roughshod over the constitution, commit war-profiteering as much as they like...the conservatives will still support them.
Weird.
 
Normally One Avoids Political Disucssions

As they are one of the two subjects one was brought up never have conversations about, but...

What is going on today with Lehman Bros, Merrill, and the rest of the financial markets are not the direct fault of the current administration, nor the previous, nor the one before that for that matter.

The whole mess is rather the creature of the obsession on behalf of the American government in home ownership.

No other western country puts so much resources, from their tax codes, to direct federal funds, to creating quasi and true government agencies all directed towards home ownership.

Mind you, home ownership is wonderful if persons can afford to do so, and treat a home for what it is, a very large investment, that one happens to live in. Like all investments, maybe it will appreciate in value, maybe not, but that is not the point. You purchase a home because you want something that you own to live in. This message has been corrupted over the past years to mean a home is something one buys, that will always increase in value, and one can use as a cash cow to finance a lifestyle one cannot afford otherwise.

Mr. Greenspan (though is keen to deny it) told Congress on many occasions, that persons need not be worried about not receiving pay rises, or their standard of living going down, as they can always pull equity out of their homes to pay for whatever, which is exactly what many people did.

As the pot of money got larger, more people entered the game, including the big banks, investment banks, and so on. Every time warnings were raised that this foolishness couldn't go on, they were called Agony Aunts, and told to stop ruining the party. Now as it turns out they were right, fingers cannot be pointed fast enough to assign blame.

Differences between Republicans and Democrats aren't that large lately, and a change in government results merely in the same song, only a different conductor,orchestra and chorus.

What the United States needs is persons in power who will sit them down and tell them the god's honest truth on how things really are.

You don't give people what they want because they ask for it, if it isn't good for them. Sadly elected officials are all about staying in power, and most all will do or say whatever it takes to get themselves re-elected.

The problem for the United States, is that so many persons are dependent upon various government subsides in one form or another, total removal is impossible. Persons who say get rid of all welfare, will fight to the death to maintain their mortgage and other tax deductions related to home ownership. Persons who have access to a good or even great health plan, aren't going to let that go easily for some sort of "socialised" medical care, and so forth.

Quite honestly neither candidate fills me with enthusiasm. However Obama has got to do better than trotting out the tired Democratic mandate of lowering taxes. Governments must be run, and cannot do so without funds. Lowering taxes for one group is fine and well, but those funds have to be replaced from somewhere. Either spending must be cut, and or taxes raised elsewhere to offset the difference. Part of the huge problem the United States faces is that it cuts taxes, and runs programs without solid means of paying for them. Congress can play with it's numbers all they want, but the rest of the world, the foreign governments that are financing the "American" lifestyle aren't easily fooled, and are beginning to get fed up. If the United States government does not start engaging in fiscal discipline, it may find that discipline enforced from elsewhere.

L.
 
I shudder to think of Obama at the helm if god forbid there is another terrorist attack. Maybe with any luck, Obama could talk with the terrorists and somehow stop it from happening?


Perhaps Obama could read "My little pony" like McBush did during the attack. Now McBush was on it... What year did we capture Bin Laden again? And how many national security warnings did the McBush administration ignore prior to 9/11?
 
Well Rick~

I am not going to argue that point with you. I agree.

But... I will always believe if McCain was the nominee in 2000, instead of Bush, and he won the presidency then, and 9/11 still happened, I think McCain would have risen to the occasion better than Bush did.

I remember thinking on the eve after the attacks, OMG, we have this inexperienced idiot for a President and now we are at war. Boy, how I wished Clinton was still president!
 
Obama: March 27 , Cooper Union

“Under Republican and Democratic Administrations, we failed to guard against practices that all too often rewarded financial manipulation instead of productivity and sound business practices.” (Obama, March 27)

We are in a global economy big time now in a way in which there are no historical precedents. And globalization of markets inexorable. LTCM was perhaps an early glimmer (1998) of how small the world is now and how big the markets are. And Obama's recognition (at least last March, who knows how things will be spun, for political purposes today)that neither 'side' was dealing adequately might give him credibility instead of a knee jerk blame of the other side which is so popular here.
 
Stock futures are WAY down again, the Asian markets got slammed last night. I hope today is not as bad as yesterday, that would be a disaster, but its not looking good for the opening.
 
Two types of conservatism

I agree, Mark, that Obama is gaining credence with those among the conservatives who still think.
Once upon a time, republicans actually believed in experience and were, quite frankly, elitist.
The know-nothing faction of the party gained ground rapidly twice in the last fifty some-odd years. First, the democrat's insistence that Negroes are human beings and entitled to full civil and human rights infuriated an awful lot of Dixiecrats. They were, after all, only democrats because it was the republicans throughout the last third of the nineteenth century who thought Sherman hadn't gone far enough in Atlanta...and did their best to finish the damage he'd done.
The second, and I think fatal blow, came after Nixon's disgrace. So many of the fiscally conservative but socially liberal Eisenhower republicans, all the Goldwater thinkers jumped ship. Who could blame them? Rove studied his filthy tricks at the feet of Tricky Dicky...
This left a vacuum which was gladly filled by the christianists.
However much Obama specifically and today's democrats in general may be distasteful to liberals, independents and progressives, we have to send the republicans back into the wilderness. If they lose this presidential and the congressional elections, there is a chance the know-nothings will be driven back into their dark corner.
The link is a wonderful way to start your day...remind me again why it is a good idea to have an inexperienced person running the US?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/16/opinion/16lewitt.html
 
lol!! Well, we agree on something anyway Shane. I think Mcsame would be the next runner up to McBush though.
 
Some gallow's humor

Do watch this video to the end. Watch closely, don't just listen to it.
I'm glad somebody on Wall street has kept their sense of humor.

 
Some gallow's humor

Do watch this video to the end. Watch closely, don't just listen to it.
I'm glad somebody on Wall street has kept their sense of humor.

 
Jeff, I've been saying what you said above for quite some time, like about 8 years now. This country is headed for a revolution. Our democratic system has devolved into a feudal system with haves & have nots, and pretty much nobody left in the middle to keep things running.
 
lol!! Well, we agree on something anyway Shane

Well, Rick..I can think of many things we probably agree on. but, we have just allowed ourselves to become too focused on this presidential race or defending our candidate of choice.
 
Washington Mutual...

Man, their stock is down to $2.00 a share! I don't see how this bank can survive this.
 
Where is Bush during all of this???

He is over getting the lipstick off his collar from kissing the pig!
 
Ah, the joys of republicans

Had to move my partner's Cadillac this morning, the folks working on the street (yes, we are still coping with the flood damage) needed her moved.
Parked her up by the la-di-da condos down the street.
Ms. Thang came out again to tell me the republican senator is still quite upset about my parking my car in front of their property.
The car is properly licensed and tagged.
The insurance is paid.
The street is public property and parking is legal.
Who the fcuk do you republicans think you are?
This is not your fcuking kingdom, it's a constitutional republic.
Anyway, if Ms. Thang thinks she can threaten me she's got something else coming. Two weeks ago (when the city had to replace all the new concrete work because we got 2 inches of rain in 90 minutes) I parked my car in front of their place; had to call the cops because they threatened to have her towed!
Guess I don't need to mention that Darth Cheney is from here and republicans think they really are endowed with special rights.
Fcuk them.
 
I know the Republicans are to blame for everything

But could you please clarify for us slow people here exactally how VP Cheney is reponsible for the way a woman acts to you on a public street? Did he personally call this woman and tell her to be mean to you? I am just having problems making the connection.
 
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