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Final dimensions

Your welcome Jet. After some testing, I ended up with a 2"X58" PVC tube to achieve the water level I want.

Works fine with all wash cycles as well as the rinse/spin only cycle.

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LG Pressure Sensor 6601ER1006E.

Pressure Sensor is Diagram A410 6601ER1006E.

The one I have here that I have taken apart has 3 terminals.

It has a coil/inductor across the outboard terminals.

The center terminal connects to two 22 nanoFarad film capacitors in series.

One has the coil in parallel with the two 22 nF Caps in series.

The diaphragm is just like a normal washer pressure sensor, but it connects to the Ferrite core/slug that is inside the coil.

When one measures across one capacitor with a B&K 875 LRC meter; it measures about 46nF at 1 Khz test freq, since it sees it really as two 22nF caps in paralle1.

to model it better I need to remove the two caps and just measure the coil by itself.

The unit I have is marked 5V, but it is totally a passive device.

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Interesting

#2 is going to measure the same frequency ,no matter the direction of current. Thats why its take off is between the two capacitors and why they are identical in capacitance.
SO the machine control board must be sending an AC signal through this circuit in order to see the tuning change = the frequency change as the core to the coil moves.

So 3belt, can you measure the frequency applied by the machine control board with the LRC meter?
 
"water level frequency".

The B&K 875 LCR meter here uses a fixed 1 Khz test signal.

To see what the WM2501 LG washer senses as the frequency, one pushes the CUSTOM and PRE-WASH buttons at the same time.

This gives off digits on the display of the washer.

One takes this number and multiplys by 0.1 and adds 20 to give the frequency in Khz.

Thus a reading of 42 on the display is = ( 42* 0.1 ) + 20 = 4.2 +20 = 24.2 Khz.

The jargon used by LG is "water level frequency", odd but it sticks.

FOR testing with no load in the washer; WASH/RINSE and SPIN SPEED buttons are pressed at the same time, along with POWER too. The START/PAUSE then cycles thru the test modes. The display reads in either rpm; water level frequency; or steam generator temp.
 
Manual is in error

The comment about the "Frequency by ... one pushes the CUSTOM and PRE-WASH buttons at the same time." is out of the offical LG service manual for the WM2501HV , thus it is in error.

Errors like this happen in manuals, they writers "cut and paste" and use an older manual as the template.

We will have to experiment to we what two buttons are required thus by experiment, it it probably a PRE-WASH button and another is my wild guess. I did this a few weeks back and did not even realize the manual is in error.
 
poor manual at best

The manual I got is a hodge podge of printed pages, a physical copy that cost about 55 bucks. It is printed on metric above 11x17, not sure if I can scan it. The page order is such all pages are there, but the order is scrambled, reversed, mixed.

Some of the older LG manuals are far better. This manual does not even have a parts list like in the Sears link up the thread. Thus if the diagram has say part S101 for the stator; there is no table with the LG part number like Sears has.

It is more of a thrown together partial manual at best, and a real expensive one.

Sears has the same manual cheaper; but they will not sell it to morals. One has to be in their inner service/click group to buy the manual.

I do not think the service manual exists on the web, I tried gobs of searches. To find a seller of the paper manual was tough too. I only found Sears as a vendor; then used the LG part number Sears had to find another seller
 
My added volume mod has failed. It worked fine for several weeks, then without warning started over-filling.

After removing the added mod, I removed the WLS and dissected it. I found that by simply turning the threaded cap on top clockwise, increasing spring pressure on the diaphram, the frequency would increase thus allowing for a higher water level.

Removal of the WLS is not needed, the threaded cap can be turned easily with a screwdriver in its current location. Simply turn the cap during the fill cycle but before the circulation pump begins.
 
Possible Button Sequence for Water Level Frequency

Last night during a wash with the WM2501HVA I tried many different combos of "pushing two buttons", sort of like a 2 year old or Monkey! :)

I found one set that may of may not be the "Water Level Frequency" number that is used in the calculation.

The two buttons were the small black Steam button and Giant Wash/Rinse button. One time the reading was 24, another 41 on the time readout. Sometimes no number appears; or there is a delay. The manual says the water level display number can is 25 to 65 in one place.

a reading of 24 would be 20 + (24 * 0.1 ) = 22.4 Khz

a reading of 41 would be 20 + (41 * 0.1 ) = 24.1 Khz

Next time I will note the part of the cycle in use.
 
That adjustment makes sense

Pullmyfinger, the spring pressure increases the force needed to send the iron plunger up the core, which translates to a higher head of water in the drum.

No one has spotted that screw before, can you photo it and post it?

I did the same Mod on my Speed Queen but that WLS has 5 screws so I had to tear it down to see which ones neede to be turned.
Thanks

jet
 
The screw on the sensor makes the sensor produceable at a lower cost. Each is probably adjusted when built and gooped.

I probably should have posted an image of the extra sensor I bought to show the top piece with the screw.

In some LG manuals/models the reading the LG machines "number" and just dviding by 10. With the WM2501HV the manual has that divide by 10 and add 20 equation.

The link below is a traing manual for another LG washer; it has a lot of cool info,

http://www.kirklandhouseforsale.com/pdfs/wm2496_training_manual.pdf
 
LG waterlevel screw adjustment

need ing a bit more water in my LG
After reading this post I put a ruler in my lg 1069 and measured the fill level. it measured just 5" at the back of the drum. It pumped out less than 5 gallons on drain cycle.
I turned the water level screw clockwise 1 full turn and re-measured, the drum filled to just under 7" at the back, about an inch up on the glass door.
It pumped out about 8.2 gallons on drain, at 8lbs a gallon thats an extra 25 lbs weight in the drum so backed the switch up 3/4 turn and filled again. filled to 5.5 inches just covering the door gasket not touching the glass, this time pumped out just under 6 gallons on drain.
So looks like 1/2 turn = 1" in water level, and roughly 1/4 turn = 1gallon or 8 extra LB in the drum, which loads up the suspension and bearings more, decreasing longevity exponentially with each additional gallon.

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waterlevel adjusting screw

Heres a pic of the waterlevel sw, its one of those frequency measuring jobs.
need large phillips, like a p3.
As I posted , 1turn = 2" clockwise to raise level
Also there is an adjustment in the programming presets but had already set that to "high" to get the original 5" level it started at.
At 1/4 turn should add about 3 to 4 gallons to the total cycle, will see how this does.

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Heres a pic with switch adjusted 1 full turn, you can see the water on the glass, about 8 gallons!
up from less than 5

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Samsung

Get yourself a Samsung front loader. A few turns and you will get all the water you want. Start out slow, then increase till you get the desired amount.
 
LG Top Loader

I never had sufficient water levels to consider enough water to do a proper wash -- had the water level sensor checked and replaced and the test was correct -- didn't fix the issue -- my "end run" is to wet the clothes - drain - and restart - I guess the added density fools it into giving a full drum of water which is necessary for bedding and towels

I would certainly welcome a permenant fix for this --
 
My LG ( model# WM2277HS ) also has the adjustable screw enabling you to adjust its water level. It also has a recirculating spray that has a wide spray of recirculating wash or rinse water onto the load. I truly love it and it's cousin ( model WM8000 ) that has a bit more activities going on inside and is gigantic in capacity.
 
why would you want more water?

lg machines are very good at cleaning and most of them have jets- preventing the need of much water, the waterlevels your presenting are quite high for any machines made over the past 10 years because companies have thought of ways to make them more economical, to me i dont really care about how much water they use because at the end of the day it goes back into the environment once done with, but even with low water levels they do good or even better jobs. machines have much higher wash ratings than they used to do with less water.

regards.
 
I Made The Water Level Adjustment On My LG WM8000

Today, I decided to make the water level adjustment by turning the screw about 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 turns. I am so glad I did. Sometimes, I felt my washer did not use enough water especially for larger loads. Usually, I ended up adding more water which can get a little irritating sometimes.

Before making the adjustment, I measured about 2" of the water at the back of drum. I did as you guys instructed and I noticed there was considerably more water. I didn't want alot more. Just enough to really wet and clean the clothes. The water now reaches the front of the drum. I didn't want it coming up to the glass. I thought that would be too much.

I can see the water now. I can hear the difference in the sloshing when the clothes are tumbling. The rinse cycles uses more water as well. This is really good for me since I have skin allergies.

I fell in love with my machine all over again.
 
LG low water levels

"Also there is an adjustment in the programming presets but had already set that to "high" to get the original 5" level it started at. "

What adjustment are you referring to here? (I have a WM2250) I looked at the water level sensor and it does have the philips adjusment screw but appears glued down, so I am looking to be sure I am getting as much water as possible.
 
Does the Permanent Press cycle use more water than Cotton/Normal? I think mine uses a little bit more water but I don't have enough data to be certain of my observations. It seems to use the same tumbling motion as Cotton/Normal, but with a couple more seconds pause between each ~5 second tumbling cycle.
 
PP fills up to the bottom of the window, somewhere between 4&5 gallons. I thought mine slowed down the tumbling a bit toward the end of the wash cycle,  but it could have been an illusion, a flashback to the reduced speeds in the vintage toploader permanent press cycles.

 

I would really appreciate learning if the wash speeds ARE indeed variable, because I honestly can't tell. For sure there are some slow half turns on the hand wash cycle, and some rapid hurling spins, and half turn whirls on others, but when the machine is simply tumbling regularly, it all looks the same to me on any of the cycles.  Is that the case?  The stingy manual says nothing about speed except for spinning. 
 
A while back -

I tried to make the adjustment on my Duet per instructions on the net......but I could NOT get it right. It was so strange.......I would turn the screw just a little bit....Nothing would happen.....same water level.......then I would continue doing the same thing in VERY small intervals..and it was is I was doing absolutely nothing.......until all of the sudden it wouldn't stop filling with water.....it got SCARY high before it stopped filling...There was no slight increase each time. It just went from one extreme to the other...So I turned the screw back and said to hell with it......because in all honestly, it seems to use an OK amount of water anyway......If I could change anything I would want it to add only a couple of more gallons, that's it....but I got scared of messing with it.
 
To the poster with the LG WM2250, just turn it with enough force and the screw will turn despite the modest application of glue. I've verified that it has the intended effect. I found two full 360 degree turns (that's 4 half turns) added a lot more water, way more than necessary, to the point where it certainly doesn't wash as well as default settings because the abundant water creates a cushion for the clothes and there's much less effective agitation. I really think this adjustment presents dubious benefits as after a point, all you're really doing is soaking the clothes and they're not really turning over, absorbing, and then expelling water when they go splat back down to the bottom of the basket. I didn't test any other settings, since it's not my washer (I have an LG WM3470 which might not need as much water since the recirculating jets function so well) and I didn't have enough time. Wish I could have stayed to see how much water was used in the rinse cycle, that would have been entertaining, but I had to leave.

At some point in the future I'll try this adjustment on my WM3470, perhaps half a turn is all I'll use, as I feel that LG got it relatively close to the mark with default settings, though I must admit to being a touch more comfortable with the slightly more water generous Permanent Press cycle.
 
I know someting about LG Machines

On The Perm Press, Delicate & Hand Wash, the water level sensor is deactivated. 

 

If one desires, lots & lots, of H20. One Finds, hitting the tub clean button, after, turning off the machine, and turning it back on, fills it 1/3 way up the door. It's mix of Both the Hot & Cold lines (although you could turn either off if you wanted). Once Complete, just press the power button, and turn it back on again. And select a cycle (without a water level sensor) and proceed from there. 

 

I'm starting to become more kind to the thought, of LG Machines. This the most simplest, water level control I've ever encountered. 
 
I forgot to add...

LG Machines, do calculate the amount of water in the drum, and once measured, use the same amount of water for the rinses as it did with the main wash. So, once you've got it filled to your desired amount your good. 
 

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