LG Steam washer, Anyone tried it yet?
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I saw it at Home Depot today. But for about $400 less, you can get a perfectly good LG with Sanitize heating... which in my opinion is a much better deal.
And the GE is another $200 less, for a good machine also.
And the GE is another $200 less, for a good machine also.
FADING of darks anyone?
Is the steam cycle of any merit whatsoever?
Is the steam cycle of any merit whatsoever?
Is it me, or are F/L manufacturers obsessed with unreasonably extending cycle times by any method possible..........
Funny, Toggle, I was thinking the same thing about F/L cycle times. We know they can't make them [cycle times] shorter, or they would be poor performers (ala Speed Queen). Hey, here's an idea: How about a T/L with Heavy steam or perhaps virtual water?
cvillewasherbo
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time of cycles
I think the cycle time of most of the FL's today are entirely too long. Talk about wear and tear from TL's--an hour and a half (or more) in a FL with very little water seems like it would wear out clothes just as fast if not faster.
When a TL is used, the complete cycle time on a normal wash is around 30 minutes (different with variances on load size, wash time selected, etc.). Why isn't that long enough to clean a load in a FL, like SQ's which I hear are much shorter cycle times.
Just wondering
Courtney
I think the cycle time of most of the FL's today are entirely too long. Talk about wear and tear from TL's--an hour and a half (or more) in a FL with very little water seems like it would wear out clothes just as fast if not faster.
When a TL is used, the complete cycle time on a normal wash is around 30 minutes (different with variances on load size, wash time selected, etc.). Why isn't that long enough to clean a load in a FL, like SQ's which I hear are much shorter cycle times.
Just wondering
Courtney
c'villewasherbo
HERE!! HERE!! BRAVO!!!
Do you happen to own a Miele or Asko FL washer? You must have a machine with an powerful internal heater to deal with complex stains doncha know. Do not use some inferior supermarket brand of detergent either like Tide, it has to be Persil to get perfect results.
( Sorry, just had to throw a little sarcasm in there,too much THS lately.
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HERE!! HERE!! BRAVO!!!
Do you happen to own a Miele or Asko FL washer? You must have a machine with an powerful internal heater to deal with complex stains doncha know. Do not use some inferior supermarket brand of detergent either like Tide, it has to be Persil to get perfect results.
( Sorry, just had to throw a little sarcasm in there,too much THS lately.
)
Problem is American front loaders are wedded to using 120v power, hence those long cycle times for any cycle requiring the heater.
Personally think this whole "steam" washer is a gimmick, especially since the unit runs on 120v. V-Zug washers also offer "steam" cleaing but those babies run on 220v/240v single and IIRC even two/three (cannot remember which), phase power.
One can heat several gallons of water pretty quickly with that much power, even winter Swedish tap cold water.
SQ front loaders are based on their commercial laundromat washers where turn over is key. Unlike say European laundromat washers that can take just as long to complete a cycle as their domestic cousins, American laundromat washers are designed for fast turnover so more customers can use them, and the mat owner makes more money from less machines.
All things being equal, with the proper water temp and detergent chemistry, it should not take longer than 10 minutes to clean a wash load of of average soils. Since most laundromat washers almost always have a built in pre-wash by default, the short wash cycle is really a second wash, thus one has probably 12 minutes or so total wash time. For some strange reason, SQ's new front loaders omitted a pre-wash cycle.
L.
Personally think this whole "steam" washer is a gimmick, especially since the unit runs on 120v. V-Zug washers also offer "steam" cleaing but those babies run on 220v/240v single and IIRC even two/three (cannot remember which), phase power.
One can heat several gallons of water pretty quickly with that much power, even winter Swedish tap cold water.
SQ front loaders are based on their commercial laundromat washers where turn over is key. Unlike say European laundromat washers that can take just as long to complete a cycle as their domestic cousins, American laundromat washers are designed for fast turnover so more customers can use them, and the mat owner makes more money from less machines.
All things being equal, with the proper water temp and detergent chemistry, it should not take longer than 10 minutes to clean a wash load of of average soils. Since most laundromat washers almost always have a built in pre-wash by default, the short wash cycle is really a second wash, thus one has probably 12 minutes or so total wash time. For some strange reason, SQ's new front loaders omitted a pre-wash cycle.
L.
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You can find Samsungs Steam washers on Fleabay, MIB.
You can find Samsungs Steam washers on Fleabay, MIB.
too long cycle times!
As a European user... I have to say, the FL'ers need more time to work on those stains cos they don't thrash the load round like TL's
I have not seen ANY wear and tear on my clothes, just perfectly clean results. That is something I never got when I used a Fridgidaire TL when livin in Mexico.
Pete flying the flag for us euro users!!!
As a European user... I have to say, the FL'ers need more time to work on those stains cos they don't thrash the load round like TL's
I have not seen ANY wear and tear on my clothes, just perfectly clean results. That is something I never got when I used a Fridgidaire TL when livin in Mexico.
Pete flying the flag for us euro users!!!
Tide,Zout and a KM 90 series TL ...perfectly clean clothes in under 40 minutes.
Pat flying the flag for all of us N.American TL users.
Pat flying the flag for all of us N.American TL users.
Coldpower Matic, Radiant Matic, Omo Matic, Surf Matic a 240v Miele and clean triple rinsed clothes with high level rinses washed at 60deg C 140def F in 50 minutes. Spun that dry that a load of towels is out of the dryer in 30 minutes.
Best of all, I dont have to replace my business shirts every 4 months because the collars dont fray anymore
No Chlorine Bleach, Oxygen Bleach or any other wash additives required.
LOL
Nathan
Best of all, I dont have to replace my business shirts every 4 months because the collars dont fray anymore
No Chlorine Bleach, Oxygen Bleach or any other wash additives required.
LOL
Nathan
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I dont use all those brands of detergent in one load, just an example of there being no Persil in sight.
I dont use all those brands of detergent in one load, just an example of there being no Persil in sight.
Maybe it depend on what you wash
IMHO the SQ's Short cycle time, should take care of clothing, towels and bedding from people that do not get truly grimey If you have a mechanic, farmer, or lots of kids in your family, really dirty or oily type laundry, maybe the long times are necessary? I have an amana T/L now that has served me well, but considering the SQ f/l one day. alr2903
IMHO the SQ's Short cycle time, should take care of clothing, towels and bedding from people that do not get truly grimey If you have a mechanic, farmer, or lots of kids in your family, really dirty or oily type laundry, maybe the long times are necessary? I have an amana T/L now that has served me well, but considering the SQ f/l one day. alr2903
When a TL is used, the complete cycle time on a normal wash is around 30 minutes
Why isn't that long enough to clean a load in a FL,
To be effectuve a front-loader (with so little water) MUST have multiple rinses. These take time
1 minute fill
2 minute tumble
1 minute drain
1 minute spin
so 5 minutes MINIMUM for each additional rinse.
SO an average 3-rinse machine takes a minimum of ten minutes longer.
PLUS the flush rinse after the wash water drains
PLUS time to balance
PLUS ramping-up the spin speed in increments to reach the 1,000+ mark.
THIS ASSUMES A HOT WATER FILL.
If the machine starts with cold water and heats it, ADD HOURS.
Why isn't that long enough to clean a load in a FL,
To be effectuve a front-loader (with so little water) MUST have multiple rinses. These take time
1 minute fill
2 minute tumble
1 minute drain
1 minute spin
so 5 minutes MINIMUM for each additional rinse.
SO an average 3-rinse machine takes a minimum of ten minutes longer.
PLUS the flush rinse after the wash water drains
PLUS time to balance
PLUS ramping-up the spin speed in increments to reach the 1,000+ mark.
THIS ASSUMES A HOT WATER FILL.
If the machine starts with cold water and heats it, ADD HOURS.
mrcleanjeans
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front loader follies
I LOVE the old front loaders and LOATHE modern front loaders for that very thing,they take WAY too long,especially on trying to balance themselves.It's maddening.
I LOVE the old front loaders and LOATHE modern front loaders for that very thing,they take WAY too long,especially on trying to balance themselves.It's maddening.
OK, I've said this before and I'll say it again (and gansky1 has even said this to me on the phone) One needs to alter one's laundry habits with with modern front laoders. Europeans do it without thinking,t hey adjsuted long ago. Do a load of some sort every day or so--don't wait utnil you have piles and piles of Bob loads to do. Yes, it will take all day.
And another point, cmbo washer/dryers, except for Bendix, took at least 1.5 hours to wash & dry. the Lady Kenmore Combo owner next door did two to four loads daily for her family. There were many a time the washer was going after everyone had had their nightly baths/showers. Get with the program and stop b**ching. If ya can't dael with it, go bacfk to your shredding top loaders.
I"m like barpeter. I'm very sick & tiered of hunting down stains and pretreating them. I want the machine to deal effectively with the various stains automatically.
And another point, cmbo washer/dryers, except for Bendix, took at least 1.5 hours to wash & dry. the Lady Kenmore Combo owner next door did two to four loads daily for her family. There were many a time the washer was going after everyone had had their nightly baths/showers. Get with the program and stop b**ching. If ya can't dael with it, go bacfk to your shredding top loaders.
I"m like barpeter. I'm very sick & tiered of hunting down stains and pretreating them. I want the machine to deal effectively with the various stains automatically.
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I'm a die-hard TL user...
And I will say this again: Modern top-loaders DON'T shred! Bob, perhaps there's some sort of defect in your '86 Lady K that you've overlooked, like a jagged portion in the tub/agitator? I've never had any problem or complaints with the '98 Kenmore or '03 Maytag Dependable Care, and there has been many a huge load stuffed into both machines. I want to see this question answered: If modern front-loaders have to have long cycle times for clean clothes, then how do the Westinghouse two-vane design and commercial double-loaders do it in a cycle comparable to that of a top-loader?
While I would love to forget about pre-treating stains, I'd just assume spray it, scrub it, throw it into the Frigidaire and get it done quickly!! Not really something I'd sacrifice an extra 1 1/2 hours for; I've pre-treated plenty of stains and it takes hardly any effort at all, so I don't really see any reason to bitch & whine about that. And while I know FL owners will get used to doing a load or two every day, the idea doesn't strike me as particularly convenient and to me, laundry would start to become more of a chore and less fun; saving up for a week and getting it all done in just a few hours is better, thank you very much! Considering that the modern front-loaders use hardly any water to begin with, I would much rather watch the rhythmic back-and-forth twisting of an agitator or the sloshing of a commercial or vintage FL.
--Austin
And I will say this again: Modern top-loaders DON'T shred! Bob, perhaps there's some sort of defect in your '86 Lady K that you've overlooked, like a jagged portion in the tub/agitator? I've never had any problem or complaints with the '98 Kenmore or '03 Maytag Dependable Care, and there has been many a huge load stuffed into both machines. I want to see this question answered: If modern front-loaders have to have long cycle times for clean clothes, then how do the Westinghouse two-vane design and commercial double-loaders do it in a cycle comparable to that of a top-loader?
While I would love to forget about pre-treating stains, I'd just assume spray it, scrub it, throw it into the Frigidaire and get it done quickly!! Not really something I'd sacrifice an extra 1 1/2 hours for; I've pre-treated plenty of stains and it takes hardly any effort at all, so I don't really see any reason to bitch & whine about that. And while I know FL owners will get used to doing a load or two every day, the idea doesn't strike me as particularly convenient and to me, laundry would start to become more of a chore and less fun; saving up for a week and getting it all done in just a few hours is better, thank you very much! Considering that the modern front-loaders use hardly any water to begin with, I would much rather watch the rhythmic back-and-forth twisting of an agitator or the sloshing of a commercial or vintage FL.
--Austin
