Life with the GE Profile DW, 2016

[johnb300m]

Alternate Wash Arm load

Ok. Here's what I got set up.
A very grimy Heavy load. I've put a tall and short glass in each upper left corner with the standard wash arm for the top rack.

Here's what I found, and you can see this in pictures. The standard wash arm looks to be about a half-inch longer on both ends then the X-shaped arm.
I'm not exactly sure why they did it that way, but the standard arm looks like it gets more Jets directly under glasses placed in the corners.
Visually, anyway.
We'll see how the load comes out.

I've been listening to the modes in the prewash and I don't hear any cavitation when the top runs. So the alternate arm seems to be accepted so far by the system!
There is a slightly different rotational sound since the Jets aren't distributed across four ways up top. But it sounds very similar.

 

[murando531]

Honestly the S-shaped arm looks to have more even coverage. I wonder why they made the X-shaped arm so short and stubby.

I'm glad Whirlpool hasn't changed the upper arm in any of their WP or KitchenAid machines. Don't fix what isn't broken, haha. I've never known of a Whirlpool designed machine to have trouble in corners at all. I was sure this one would break the record but I was delightfully surprised with the pb test and the camera.

What does the manifold look like on the lower arm assembly with the arm removed? I've been curious as to how they change water passages with the same port and arm.

 

[johnb300m]

Morning results were pretty damm good I must say!
That DISGUSTING stainless pan came out 90% clean. Which still impressed me.
There were just a few small pieces of chicken still stuck on, which I can now scrape off pretty quickly by hand.
The bottom rack cleaning of this machine has really left me impressed.

The top rack with the 500 series S-arm, was also pretty darn clean! Maybe a hair cleaner than with the x-arm!
Though that's not empirical data.
The tall glass I had in the corner was completely clean, with no grit blown into it. Three cheers for that!
The short, smaller glass in the other corner had some very fine crud stuck to one side of the inside still. But it's mouth was still narrow to barely catch 1 of the jets of the longer S-arm.
Otherwise, everything else on the top was perfectly clean!

The coverage between the jet layouts on the S and X arms seems very similar, just spread out over 4 arms. However, I did notice that the X arm has 2 additional angled jets on the ends, probably to help drive it due to the larger size. It's possible these angled jets don't get as far up directly into cups and glasses as such. Especially in the corners. And it's shorter length certainly doesn't help it.

I'm inclined to just keep the S-arm installed up there and see how it does on more loads. And if anything, now I got 2 style arms to swap out on certain whims.
HA!
The X-arm certainly looks cooler. But the S-arm is neat looking too. And so far it's done a tad better.

Andrew, here's a link showing the main distribution manifold.
For the lower wash arm, there are two ports leading to two concentric ports that feed the reversing wash arm. These feed two chambers in the lower arm that go to separate jet sets for either direction.
The other two ports feed the conduit to the top rack, but it does NOT look divided.

https://www.geapplianceparts.com/store/parts/spec/WD18X20202

https://www.geapplianceparts.com/store/parts/spec/WD22X20181

https://www.geapplianceparts.com/store/parts/spec/WD35X20598

 

[logixx]

Oh that peanut butter...

http://pressroom.geappliances.com/n...id=692754116569747460&adbpl=tw&adbpr=70718986

 

[murando531]

John and Frigilux, do your machines have the dedicated silverware spray bar?

 

[johnb300m]

WE GOT VIDEO FOLKS!

I finally did it, it's kinda crappy; low res, through a pyrex container and my iphone wrapped in a bag. But I finally, FINALLY got video of the inside of the PDT720.
The struggle was real.

But this will clear up a lot of questions we had, especially with the upper rack and the bottle jet.
They do indeed, run the whole time, as you'll see.
And they're very fine and small, so I doubt they cause much of a pressure loss at all. The pump is quite powerful in this thing.

Anyways, enjoy!



Andrew, I speak for myself, but 99% for Frigilux too; our machines do NOT have a dedicated silverware jets bar. It looks like that's something new for 2016. And that's super cool!
They're clearly following Whirlpool on this one. And they're putting up much higher in price point that Whirlpool does as well.
However....these current GE machines do have the drive jets for the upper wash arm decently aimed at most silverware locations.
Of all the early issues I had, silverware was almost never one of them. Except for user error, the silverware has been the cleanest items to come out of my machine thus far.

 

[johnb300m]

Ok....I broke down and got a GoPro 'style' waterproof cam. HAHA!
I couldn't resist.

So here's more footage.
I am frustrated though.....the lighting is still crap.
And Youtube will not, for the life of me, upload my videos in HD!!!
Very frustrating.
Does anyone have any tips?
I edit the movies in iMovie and try to export them in the highest HD quality, but when I put them on Youtube they look like shite.
Any ideas?

Enjoy.

http://https//youtu.be/oqst2I-MTpI

 

[logixx]

Thanks for the upload. So I knew I hadn't dreamt that I read in a service manual that the side jets were used to fill the dishwasher.

Is the finished file from iMovie in HD? Do you save the file and then upload it to YT or do you upload it through iMovie (if there is such a feature)?

 

[gelaundry4ever]

If I were you...

I would use normal and temp boost for most everyday loads. Have you ever used power dry before? How did it perform?

 

[johnb300m]

Heated Dry works great on this machine.

Logixx, I'm pretty sure it's rendered in HD. The final video looked good on my machine. (Sans the native lighting issues).

 

[murando531]

iMovie can be finicky with exporting. There should be advanced settings when you go to export/share that have options for uploading in higher quality, but if I recall correctly, it's not worded in a way that really sticks out. Try reexporting it again and make sure everything is set to maximum quality and no compression. The first upload I did of my dishwasher video came out pixelated despite thinking I had it set for 1080p. When I backtracked, I had overlooked one little setting that "optimized" it for sharing across social media/email. Could be something like that that just needs a tweak.

 

[johnb300m]

Videos

Thanks Andrew!
I'll give it a shot!
I'm pretty determined to get a Reviewed.com video posted.
Hehe

 

[joeypete]

I hate iMovie to be honest. I used to work fine but the last few videos I edited on there didn't upload to YouTube. It went through the process said it was done and the videos never showed up.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

Can you upload a video of...

what's going on inside, please? Thank you.

 

[johnb300m]

Reading. Comprehension.

WHAT do you think I've been doing?!

 

[gelaundry4ever]

I have looked...

I have been looking for a youtube video of what goes on inside these new GE's.

 

[johnb300m]

Wow.....
Then there's apparently no way I can help you.

 

[murando531]

Reply #106 my dear. Scroll up.

 

[johnb300m]

I just don't know if there are enough spoons in the world ;-P

 

[combo52]

Reviews Of A New GE X Arm DW

I have had one of these in my kitchen for about 4 months now and I surly hope it is not in my kitchen another 4 months.

 

Major gripes, The racks are terribly designed, in the upper rack things slide around fall over, fall through etc and the rack has so many different levels it is a real challenge to load, after you get it more than 1/2 full the dishes can start to hold on to each other however, LOL.

 

The lower rack not any better, the spacing of the tines again are all over the place and the openings in the rear area of the lower rack are so large that small cutting boards 6"X 7" actually fall partly through and stop the lower wash arm from turning. To make matters worse the almost black color of both racks makes it very hard to see them for loading, this dark color is probably meant to hide the rust that I am sure will soon develop.

 

Cleaning ability is very spotty at best, I have some loads emerge where almost everything looks clean and others where only 1/4 of the items were clean enough to put away, but even when they look clean they really are not. If you have one of these DWs [ or another modern filter style DW ] take the filter out of the bottom after a cycle and take a small measuring cup etc and scoop enough water out to fill a drinking glass and look at the water and tell me if you would drink it.

 

Drying ability is fair if you use heated dry, absolutely none exsistant if no heat dry is used, my 1987 WP DW drys far better on no heat dry that this DW does on heated dry when both are left overnight with the doors closed.

 

Noise level is very low except the the annoying drain pump that cycles on and off over and over again, you can even hear it in my office in a completly different room and it is really annoying.

 

Overall this DW is fairly built like most upper line GE DWs have been over the last 10-15 years but it is not nearly as good overall in performance or repairablity as the DWs that WP is building. I have already done service calls on these new style GE DWs and they are not well designed for repair. One common problem that is emerging is a blockage in the sump area that completely blocks the water getting to the drain pump, but it makes for a good $100 service call.