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How does the WP/KM dishwasher change which holes the water shoots out of on the bottom spray arm? Is there another valve in there?
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The Miele doesn't alternate wash arms? Looks a lot more powerful than the others. Even with alternating, I bet it's more powerful.
 
I actually put this new Maytag on my parents' dishwasher short list.
The pressure actually looks good for modern day machines, and both racks at a time.
Honestly, if it can wash the whole load at once?
It really DOES have the most powerful motor on the current market.
Not that many dishwashers can wash both racks at a time anymore.
 
whirlpool vs maytag

I actually compared this video of this Maytag dishwasher to a Whirlpool dishwasher with the hard food disposer. I have to say that the Whirlpool sounded much more powerful than the Maytag! The video is called inside whirlpool dishwasher with camera! Boy was that dishwasher powerful!
 
Sorry Jerry, if you want a dishwasher built TOUGH, you're going to have to go to pre-2005 or pay more for a Bosch or Miele.
 
correction and marketing...

Stainless steel, period. Maybe Maytag uses pure marketing ploys to get us to believe that Maytags are built tough. I'd go for a pre 2000 Whirlpool powerClean or post-2000 point voyager. Do the older point voyagers and new maytags have cooling fans on the motor? I tend to hear the cooling fans on the older whirlpool point voyagers. Who knows how the new Maytags will holdup?
 
What difference does it make whether the motors have fans or not. Many motors have not had fans on them in years. They're just open chassis designs for convection cooling. Some might have little fins on their rotors, but that's it. The Point Voyagers have no real fans in them to my knowledge.
The DC magnet motors you so scorn as not tough, in new GE and Frigidaire machines, DO have little cooling fans in them.
The WP Durawash plastic housed motors are the only induction type dishwasher motor with a true cooling fan.
So I have no idea what you think you're hearing.

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What would you guys

consider a satisfactory amount of time to own a dishwasher before it dies? If you buy a dishwasher, and it lasts 9 years with no problems, then it suddenly dies, would you feel you got your money's worth? Or does it need to last longer than that? My last dishwasher was a Whirlpool 2005 point voyager. It lived for 9 years and 2 months and then died a horrible death. You should have heard it. It sounded TERRIBLE! Just before it died, it drained out all of the water (thank God!) I hope my current Maytag lasts at least that long. If it does, I will be happy.....Would I like them to last even longer? Sure! But with today's appliances, I'm not holding my breath - but so far, this Maytag is the best dishwasher I've ever had.
 
Rule of thumb for us here in my household for things like washer, dryer, DW etc:
100€ investment = 1 year.
That includes warranty, price of the new item, service actions, parts etc.
Though not actually in any relation to any real life factors, it seems to be what we feel as good value.
 
10 years and counting on our Quiet Series 300 Maytag. Pretty impressive considering their reputation to be junk. Never once had a part replaced. If anything goes now I'll check parts availability and price it out, if it's reasonable enough I'll repair it. If not then it's new Maytag or Bosch time! (Or perhaps vintage time)
 
Hey I like that 100$/£ = 1 year.
Seems fair to me!

Jerome it doesn't really matter. What in heaven sake will you do when dishwasher motors no longer have fans period?
Motors with fans mean they need cooling. Which means energy is being converted to heat, which is waste.
I would figure any motor not needing a fan would be more efficient.
 
Mark,

That used to be 7 years on average, when used every day.
But now Consumer reports doesn't know everything.
I am sure a DW ran every day on the super hot long cycle fries the board sooner if nothing else. Heat and humidity are enemies of microchips, and motors.
 
I know for a fact...

I know for a fact that the whirlpool point voyagers have a cooling fan because I have seen the back of the main pump that had a vent on the back. I still have the whirlpool which is running. Here's an example. The spray maybe weak, but you maybe able to hear the whirring of the main wash pump from the cooling fan. I have heard a durawash and a point voyager and know that they both have a cooling fan.

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I just watched that video again

at the top of this post. A couple of things that suck really bad about that video.....they way they seem to show it in progress at regular speed while it's still filling with water, flashing back n forth between the top and bottom rack while it's still filling with water, then when it's finally done filling, they speed it up.....To me, it's so stupid to make a video inside a dishwasher, then alter it. I mean, the whole point is so that we can see what really goes on, not sped up.
 
@mark - THANK YOU!!! I love that they are even doing videos like that, but people that actually care about seeing them DO NOT want them sped up. The whole point is being able to accurately see what's going on, to be able to see the exact spray patterns and how the jets are aimed and what speed the arms rotate at.

Also, I think the question of "what is a reasonable lifetime for an appliance" is an excellent question that I feel can be different for each person. In my way of thinking, I think an excellent appliance would run flawlessly or near flawlessly (with minor repairs, like maybe a wash arm bearing) for 10-15 years. Some people may argue more, but my reasoning for that timeframe relies on a few factors. I think my aunt's WP PowerClean is the best example I have; excellent machine, excellent performance, build quality, design, etc. It is a MOL model bought in 2003 when the house was built, and has been running nearly every single day, sometimes twice daily, and has had no issues to speak of until very recently that it's begun making a horrible rumbling and sometimes failing to drain. My assumption is that the drain impeller may be chipped or broken or that something is caught in the chamber preventing the check ball from opening, etc. That's basically 13 years with no problem. Now, of course the machine can be easily repaired and can last for another 5, maybe 10 years, but at the same time, the design is showing its age. It's a magnificent dishwasher still to this day, but it was also designed alongside detergents at the time that had phosphates and worked properly with a 10-12 minute main wash. Detergents aren't designed for that now. All of us here know very well how to make a "vintage" machine do its job just as well as a modern designed one, but 99% of the rest of society don't care, my aunt being one of them. So in my honest opinion for her, it may be time to let the beast rest because she could care less about making sure to use heavier cycles or options to compensate for the time the detergent needs to work. That said, in 13 years, will my current modern WP still be "designed" to work with whatever chemicals we're using in 2029?

The other factor that comes to mind is that most people, myself included, get the itch for a "new" gadget even if the one they have works perfectly fine. If I have my dishwasher or washing machine for 10-15 years before a malfunction, I'll probably be MORE than ready to have something new and up to date regardless of how much I loved the previous appliance.[this post was last edited: 3/6/2016-00:54]
 

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