Lombardian... what is the price for the Miele washer?
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lombardian
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The w4800 is 1599.00 and the w4840 is 1799.00
Miele
I wish I could see a brochure. It sounds so interesting.
Nothing on the Miele website.
Peter
I wish I could see a brochure. It sounds so interesting.
Nothing on the Miele website.
Peter
Those prices do not make sense, IMHO.
Took a peek at ABT Appliance's website earlier and the Miele 1200 series washers run any where from about $1600 and up to over two grand. So how do new models, whihch are larger sell for less than their smaller cousins? If these prices are true, then Miele must be doing a "Mercedes-Benz/BMW" on the American consumer. For those that do not get that joke, there was a time when both German automobiles were at the top of their game. If one could afford one, it meant you truly had arrived. Today in order to capture market share, both Mercedes and BMW have in most cases cheapened models to bring price points down to sell more cars. One pretty much as to go up to the Mercedes AMG line to get anywhere near the old quality.
Am looking forward to seeing these new Miele machines in person, and kicking the tires. There simply is no free lunch, so either Miele is taking a financial hit by pricing these new units near or lower than domestic machines, with the hopes they will sell enough to make up the difference. Or, quite simply my previous statement is true.
L.
Took a peek at ABT Appliance's website earlier and the Miele 1200 series washers run any where from about $1600 and up to over two grand. So how do new models, whihch are larger sell for less than their smaller cousins? If these prices are true, then Miele must be doing a "Mercedes-Benz/BMW" on the American consumer. For those that do not get that joke, there was a time when both German automobiles were at the top of their game. If one could afford one, it meant you truly had arrived. Today in order to capture market share, both Mercedes and BMW have in most cases cheapened models to bring price points down to sell more cars. One pretty much as to go up to the Mercedes AMG line to get anywhere near the old quality.
Am looking forward to seeing these new Miele machines in person, and kicking the tires. There simply is no free lunch, so either Miele is taking a financial hit by pricing these new units near or lower than domestic machines, with the hopes they will sell enough to make up the difference. Or, quite simply my previous statement is true.
L.
Most stoves in the coutnry are electric. Doent' mean you
And, although New Yorkers may not be inclined to believe it, NYC doesn't equal the rest of the nation.
Ain't THAT a huge truth!
I am humbled. Thank you. Still with 8+/- million people there, it is probably not a market to ignore.
It made little sense to me that GE (or was it Maytag? OH MY) dropped their short-lived 24 inch wide top-loader years back when that is the largest size cabinet so many can use in their homes.
Am I correct in saying that Sears and WP were the only ones to have a "small cabinet" large-capacity 24 inch wide (60cm) machine for a long period of time?
And, although New Yorkers may not be inclined to believe it, NYC doesn't equal the rest of the nation.
Ain't THAT a huge truth!
I am humbled. Thank you. Still with 8+/- million people there, it is probably not a market to ignore.
It made little sense to me that GE (or was it Maytag? OH MY) dropped their short-lived 24 inch wide top-loader years back when that is the largest size cabinet so many can use in their homes.
Am I correct in saying that Sears and WP were the only ones to have a "small cabinet" large-capacity 24 inch wide (60cm) machine for a long period of time?
exploder3211
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From what i saw yeah... I think it was maytag because i seem to recall seeing a 24" maytag sometime ago
Really Have To Wonder About 150F "Sanitising" Cycl
Yes,the highest temp of 170F on the uber-Miele washers will "sanitise" but much would depend upon what germs one was trying to destroy, and how long the cycle held said temp. Nevermind little if anything sold in the way of modern linens or apparel in the United States,is labeled for washing above 40C (100F)anyway. Even when "hot" water is on the label, it usually means 120F, which is the common setting on most of today's American domestic hot water heaters.
The extreme hot to boiling wash temperatures found on older European washing machines was more a function of activating the oxygen bleaches used on that side of the pond, than anything else. Sure washing laundry at 200F for 30 minutes would kill lots of germs, but only under certian circumstances. Things such as how the machine was loaded, and again, if the temp was not only reached but held througout the cycle.
L.
Yes,the highest temp of 170F on the uber-Miele washers will "sanitise" but much would depend upon what germs one was trying to destroy, and how long the cycle held said temp. Nevermind little if anything sold in the way of modern linens or apparel in the United States,is labeled for washing above 40C (100F)anyway. Even when "hot" water is on the label, it usually means 120F, which is the common setting on most of today's American domestic hot water heaters.
The extreme hot to boiling wash temperatures found on older European washing machines was more a function of activating the oxygen bleaches used on that side of the pond, than anything else. Sure washing laundry at 200F for 30 minutes would kill lots of germs, but only under certian circumstances. Things such as how the machine was loaded, and again, if the temp was not only reached but held througout the cycle.
L.
L, from what I understand, on the Bosch that heats to 170, it only holds that tmep for 3 minutes, then begins to temper the water temp down.
When You've Got Non Metal
Outer tubs, there is only but so much heat one can have.
L.
Outer tubs, there is only but so much heat one can have.
L.
Still with 8+/- million people there, it is probably not a m
As it should be hard to ignore the 7+ million in the San Francisco Bay Area. We may not be as compact as NYC, but we have breathtaking views just the same.
And Kenmore didn't ignore it when it chose this area to introduce their somewhat historic HE3T front loader back in 2002.
What's wrong with using a euro-size combo machine in NYC apartments? Just roll it up to the kitchen sink, hook up the combination fill/drain, and then hide it when the super knocks. For big loads, use the building's coin op.
As it should be hard to ignore the 7+ million in the San Francisco Bay Area. We may not be as compact as NYC, but we have breathtaking views just the same.
And Kenmore didn't ignore it when it chose this area to introduce their somewhat historic HE3T front loader back in 2002.
What's wrong with using a euro-size combo machine in NYC apartments? Just roll it up to the kitchen sink, hook up the combination fill/drain, and then hide it when the super knocks. For big loads, use the building's coin op.
You would be surprised how many NYC apartment/co-op/condo buildings do not permit laundry appliances and or even dishwashers.
Problems lie on several fronts:
One, as previously discussed, electrical wiring. Though that may only be a problem when using 220v appliances.
Next, one must remember NYC has some of the oldest housing stock in the country, this includes many of the highly desired brownstone and pre-war buildings. Plumbing simply cannot handle all that drain water from washing machines. Maybe one person's might get away with it, but not a majority of the building.
Remember also apartment buildings in NYC are not metered for the most part. That means either landlords or the building as whole pays the water bill. It wouldn't be fair for those not having laundry appliances subsidise those who do.
Finally there is the problem of what happens if the laundry overflows, who is going to pay for the damages? In co-op/condo buildings that allow laundry appliances, it usually is written somewhere to cover this area, and or the household must carry some sort of insurance.
The above not withstanding, many people do have washing machines and or dryers in their NYC apartments. Both our appliance dealer and repair person will ask customers the common question before making a delivery/repair call "does the building allow washing machines"? If not they will try to disguise the appliance(s) in another box, and or for making service calls, say they are there for another reason. Sometimes this works, sometimes not. Our appliance dealer says more than once delivery people will be stopped and asked to open a box to show the building service people/landlord what is inside.
Oh yes, the final problem is that NYC has one of the largest population of nosey and or whinging people on the planet. If that washing machine or dryer annoys your neighboor(and for some that does not take much), plan on hearing from your building/landlord the next day.
L.
Problems lie on several fronts:
One, as previously discussed, electrical wiring. Though that may only be a problem when using 220v appliances.
Next, one must remember NYC has some of the oldest housing stock in the country, this includes many of the highly desired brownstone and pre-war buildings. Plumbing simply cannot handle all that drain water from washing machines. Maybe one person's might get away with it, but not a majority of the building.
Remember also apartment buildings in NYC are not metered for the most part. That means either landlords or the building as whole pays the water bill. It wouldn't be fair for those not having laundry appliances subsidise those who do.
Finally there is the problem of what happens if the laundry overflows, who is going to pay for the damages? In co-op/condo buildings that allow laundry appliances, it usually is written somewhere to cover this area, and or the household must carry some sort of insurance.
The above not withstanding, many people do have washing machines and or dryers in their NYC apartments. Both our appliance dealer and repair person will ask customers the common question before making a delivery/repair call "does the building allow washing machines"? If not they will try to disguise the appliance(s) in another box, and or for making service calls, say they are there for another reason. Sometimes this works, sometimes not. Our appliance dealer says more than once delivery people will be stopped and asked to open a box to show the building service people/landlord what is inside.
Oh yes, the final problem is that NYC has one of the largest population of nosey and or whinging people on the planet. If that washing machine or dryer annoys your neighboor(and for some that does not take much), plan on hearing from your building/landlord the next day.
L.
Nosey apartment house neighbors-He is then upset that YOU have a washer,dishwasher and he does not-jealous!Kinda like in one of the college dorms students used to smuggle Hoover washers into the building-that dorm had kitchenettes in each room.They did not allow the students to have washers-but the Hoover ones were used anyway-Students disguised them as tables,desks,etc when not in use.It was the older dorm building on campus-I was in the newer dorm-no kitenchnette.
Maybe not as much jealous as there are some people who belive in living by the rules or at least as they perceive them to be. NYC apartments are usually NOT very good on sound insulation, so can see if someone was doing laundry at odd hours, how it would bug someone.
For co-op or condo buildings they pay water as part of their common charges, so it is in everyone's interest to save where they can.
Again, there are allot of appliance stores selling laundry appliances in NYC, so someone must be buying them. Generally unless someone sneaks on you, once the appliances are inside your apartment, things are fine. Think the main problem is many NYC apartments are just too small for anything laundry wise.
L
For co-op or condo buildings they pay water as part of their common charges, so it is in everyone's interest to save where they can.
Again, there are allot of appliance stores selling laundry appliances in NYC, so someone must be buying them. Generally unless someone sneaks on you, once the appliances are inside your apartment, things are fine. Think the main problem is many NYC apartments are just too small for anything laundry wise.
L
Since I have been working shift work-I had to give up on apartment living-Try sleeping in one of those after you have worked a mid shift-It wasn't neighbors that was a problem-but the LANDLORD-mowing the house grounds,maintenance,also the building I was in they had LOUD disco parties!!Too bad about the sound insulation-would see that WD and other machines could be a problem-how bout vacuum cleaners there-when I did live in an apartment-I did have a small collection of vacuums-the neighbor below me would always come up after a vacuuming session-knock on my door-and then yell-"THERE MUST NOT BE A SPECK OF DUST ON YOUR FLOORS!"Laughed her off-she moved.But glad I got out-NYC would be a problem for folks that do shifts-how would they get sleep?
As one who used to work in nursing, shift work isn't so bad, nor sleeping. Night masks, dark drapes and ear plugs do the trick quite well. Of course during the warmer months there is the option of closing the windows and putting on the AC, which keeps things not only cool, but quiet.
These days however, there are so many people working from home, apartment buildings are not as quiet as they once were. That coupled with the baby boom can make the daylight hours quite loud. Oh yes, there are many elderly staying put in their apartments these days with a home help coming in,instead of going to a nursing home. This means televisions going full sound all day long. Surely in this day and age there must be a better way for our seniors to hear telly than having the sound turned so loud it can be heard in the next block.
These days however, there are so many people working from home, apartment buildings are not as quiet as they once were. That coupled with the baby boom can make the daylight hours quite loud. Oh yes, there are many elderly staying put in their apartments these days with a home help coming in,instead of going to a nursing home. This means televisions going full sound all day long. Surely in this day and age there must be a better way for our seniors to hear telly than having the sound turned so loud it can be heard in the next block.
Also the problem of one of the fair housings acts of opening adult apartments to families.That also contributed to the noise-kids running up and down the halls,playing with the elevators,etc.One thing on the TV's Hi-Fi's-when I lived in an apartment-the most useful thing was a good pair of headphones to listen to the stereo or TV.Others living there used them as well-that would help.I sleep very soundly in my house-that is no longer a problem.And if the neighbors do make noise-can find another room in the house to sleep in.Apartments didn't always give you that choice.
Many NYC apartment/co-op/condo buildings do not permit laund
All the more reason not to let NYC preferences dictate washer design for the rest of the country...
All the more reason not to let NYC preferences dictate washer design for the rest of the country...
oxydolfan1
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Now, now, the flyover states have had too much influence in the design of our appliances for too long! Lol!
Well, OK...
So the next great thing in American washer design will be a hand carry unit that can fit in a broom closet, that looks like a bookcase filled with old New Yorker magazines, which uses a maximum of one liter of water per load, and which spins at a maximum of 75 rpm so as not to annoy off the people downstairs.
Have I got that right?
So the next great thing in American washer design will be a hand carry unit that can fit in a broom closet, that looks like a bookcase filled with old New Yorker magazines, which uses a maximum of one liter of water per load, and which spins at a maximum of 75 rpm so as not to annoy off the people downstairs.
Have I got that right?
oxydolfan1
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No, it must also accomplish all this in 1.575 minutes per load.
AND do the windows, in its down time!
We are VERY busy people, you know!!!
LOL!!
AND do the windows, in its down time!
We are VERY busy people, you know!!!
LOL!!
