jerrod6
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Cutlery tray:
Miele Excella II
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jerrod6
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clean cutlery tray
mrb627
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Artful Loading
Wow. There is an art to fully loading a dishwasher. I must not have that gene as when I attempt to load/overload I usually end up with something broken.
However, to place an item on the flip down shelf of either the middle or lower rack with another item directly underneath, has never effected results in the Miele or the Bosch I had prior.
Malcolm
Wow. There is an art to fully loading a dishwasher. I must not have that gene as when I attempt to load/overload I usually end up with something broken.
However, to place an item on the flip down shelf of either the middle or lower rack with another item directly underneath, has never effected results in the Miele or the Bosch I had prior.
Malcolm
Ah but if you notice that the "clean pic" of the tray in post 436804 was cut off. When I saw the ladle and where it was I thought there is no way that will get clean and its in the path of the wash arm for the tray. Its been my experience with my machine that anything tall in that area will block the arm.
One thing you may notice is that in the right front corner if you put small plates the very outer one closest to the wall will not wash right. Kinda like a dead zone. With mine I never put anything small there.
On dishwasher detergents...pass on the Somat 1 tabs...they are too pricey and dont clean in my opinion. The Miele tabs made by Claro do a fantastic job and you get more bang for your buck. I use Cascade in mine and get great results. Powder and the All in One tabs.
One thing you may notice is that in the right front corner if you put small plates the very outer one closest to the wall will not wash right. Kinda like a dead zone. With mine I never put anything small there.
On dishwasher detergents...pass on the Somat 1 tabs...they are too pricey and dont clean in my opinion. The Miele tabs made by Claro do a fantastic job and you get more bang for your buck. I use Cascade in mine and get great results. Powder and the All in One tabs.
jerrod6
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I know what you mean but I took many pictures and didn't include one of the clean ladle in the prior post. If you look at the upper wash arm on my DW you see that the arm doesn't cover the entire tray, but it does spray down and across all of it.
I used one Electrasol(now finish) 3-in-1 tab for this load.
I also get very good results with Miele tabs. Not sure how this would work out now that phosphate has been removed from DW detergents.
Here is a picture of the ladle. It has scratches on it since it is everyday ware, but it did get clean.
I used one Electrasol(now finish) 3-in-1 tab for this load.
I also get very good results with Miele tabs. Not sure how this would work out now that phosphate has been removed from DW detergents.
Here is a picture of the ladle. It has scratches on it since it is everyday ware, but it did get clean.
Yes, pack that Miele! Here are some more suggestions from the German forum. You can either go back and forth yourselves - or use the direct links.
Miele Pics One Miele Pics Two (scroll down) Miele Pics Three Miele Pics Four Bosch Pics One Bosch Pics Two
Miele Pics One Miele Pics Two (scroll down) Miele Pics Three Miele Pics Four Bosch Pics One Bosch Pics Two
aldspinboy
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Jerrod good to see you posting very nice dishwasher maybe i can see it someday.
Great racking!
Alexander your pics are way to cool.
Malcolm i found this in a Miele Magazine book and thought this was interesting for everybody here it says..........
Every dishwasher begins with the inner cabinet.
Miele has just invested in a new innovative and patented method for that section,
which goes by the name of cubic hydroforming .
It involves joining the sides, base, top and back to form a cube.
The entire inner cabinet is then shaped , or sculptured in a process called hydroforming , involving injecting water into the cube at high pressure.
The advantages of this method are that it avoids welding stress, improves the
stability of the inner cabinet and allows more scope for designing the interior walls.
Moreover, the improved shape also reduces water and power consumption.
That is pretty cool for the miele models that you guy's have here.
Darren k.
Great racking!
Alexander your pics are way to cool.
Malcolm i found this in a Miele Magazine book and thought this was interesting for everybody here it says..........
Every dishwasher begins with the inner cabinet.
Miele has just invested in a new innovative and patented method for that section,
which goes by the name of cubic hydroforming .
It involves joining the sides, base, top and back to form a cube.
The entire inner cabinet is then shaped , or sculptured in a process called hydroforming , involving injecting water into the cube at high pressure.
The advantages of this method are that it avoids welding stress, improves the
stability of the inner cabinet and allows more scope for designing the interior walls.
Moreover, the improved shape also reduces water and power consumption.
That is pretty cool for the miele models that you guy's have here.
Darren k.
mrb627
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Additional Programs
I ran the dw several times over the holiday weekend. The "Starch/Cheese" program really gets quite HOT! Did an amazing job. Washed a pan that had a baked egg breakfast prepared in it.
Also got to run the "Plastics" program. Performed well on both cycles.
Malcolm
I ran the dw several times over the holiday weekend. The "Starch/Cheese" program really gets quite HOT! Did an amazing job. Washed a pan that had a baked egg breakfast prepared in it.
Also got to run the "Plastics" program. Performed well on both cycles.
Malcolm
jerrod6
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I use the Cheese program when I have potatoes Au gratin.
Dirty Casserol:
Dirty Casserol:
jerrod6
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Dirty Casserol 2:
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Clean Casserol:
jerrod6
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This program can really handle stuck on, burned on crusty cheese.
mrb627
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Early Death?
Sadly, I think my Miele Excella has washed its final load. Been plagued by a series of fault codes over the past 10 days. F11/F85 and one other. Only issue found was the check ball in the pump was stuck. Removed and cleaned it and it's seal. Thought I had fixed it. Then a different error. Then another.
So what now? Back to Bosch?
Malcolm
Sadly, I think my Miele Excella has washed its final load. Been plagued by a series of fault codes over the past 10 days. F11/F85 and one other. Only issue found was the check ball in the pump was stuck. Removed and cleaned it and it's seal. Thought I had fixed it. Then a different error. Then another.
So what now? Back to Bosch?
Malcolm
What is the G model number? (I sent you an email.)
If it is a gen 5:
3.37 Fault Code F85: Slide Shutter Signal Change Fault
Symptom:
Even though the slide shutter has not been activated, a signal change has
been detected at the position switch.
If the fault is registered before the circulation pump has been activated for the
first time (or before program start), the program is interrupted and the drain
pump is operated.
If the fault is registered later, the fault message will be indicated in the display
at the end of the program.
Cause:
Position switch B3/12 defective; intermittent contact.
Remedy:
1. Check for dirty contacts; clean or replace circulation pump as necessary.
2. Check for pulses during operation at ST14 on the electronic, using a
multimeter set for low-voltage DC. If there are pulses every 30 seconds,
then replace the electronic (Section 100-4.5 or 100-4.6). If there are no
pulses, replace the circulation pump (Section 050-4.13).
Cause:
Electronic defective.
Remedy:
Replace the electronic. See Section 100-4.5 or 100-4.6.
3.11 Fault Code F11: Drainage Fault
Symptom:
Water present in appliance and is not being drained off.
Background information:
After each drain pump step, the circulation pump operates for 2 seconds and
heater pressure switch B1/13 checks the water level. See Figure 080-6. If it is
too high (large quantity of residual water remaining in the cabinet), the
drainage time is extended. If, after a further check, the water level is still too
high, then the program is interrupted, the fault code is saved and the drain
pump is activated.
Figure 080-6: Circuit Test Path for F11
Fault code F11 is also registered if heater relay 1K1 is not activated after the
fault code F51 register check; see Section 080-3.27.
Cause:
Drain hose kinked.
Remedy:
Check the drain hose for correct positioning.
Cause:
Drain blocked.
Remedy:
Check for proper water flow from the drain line by performing the following
procedure:
1. Disconnect drain line from drain trap, garbage disposal, or drain pipe and
place in bucket or large container.
2. Ensure that adequate water is in the dishwasher cabinet. Select and start
a new wash program (first step should be a 30-second drain). Ensure that
the drain hose is held in place within the bucket or container.
3. If water flows from the drain hose, the dishwasher is not the cause of the
blockage. Blockage is in the piping and should be checked by a
specialist.
If water does not flow from the drain hose, then check the filters.
1. Clean the on-site drain.
2. Check the sump drain.
3. Check the filters for blockage.
4. Check the heater pressure switch and replace it, if necessary. See
Section 050-4.16.
Cause:
Ball in non-return valve in sump has not opened (e.g., jammed).
Remedy:
Check the non-return valve for blockage; clean or replace as necessary.
Clean the non-return valve in the sump or replace it if necessary.
Cause:
Drain pump defective.
Remedy:
With the non-return valve removed, check the drain pump for proper
operation by performing the following steps:
1. Check the drain pump impeller blades for proper rotation. If stuck, look for
foreign objects blocking impeller blades. If impeller blades are jammed
and no foreign objects are found, proceed to the next step.
2. Remove the lower service door panel.
3. Operate the dishwasher in a drain step.
4. Check for power at the drain pump. If pump is receiving power, then
replace the drain pump. If not, check wiring from electronic to the drain
pump. Replace or repair as necessary (Section 050-4.17).
Cause:
Foreign objects in heater pressure switch.
Remedy:
Check the heater pressure switch for blockages and correct switching point.
Ensure that the contacts are in the correct position after a drain step. Replace
if necessary. See Section 050-4.16.
Cause:
Heater relay defective.
Heater relay (coil or contacts) becomes defective during the drainage step
(after fault code F51 register check).
Remedy:
Replace the heater relay. See Section 050-4.10.
If it is a gen 5:
3.37 Fault Code F85: Slide Shutter Signal Change Fault
Symptom:
Even though the slide shutter has not been activated, a signal change has
been detected at the position switch.
If the fault is registered before the circulation pump has been activated for the
first time (or before program start), the program is interrupted and the drain
pump is operated.
If the fault is registered later, the fault message will be indicated in the display
at the end of the program.
Cause:
Position switch B3/12 defective; intermittent contact.
Remedy:
1. Check for dirty contacts; clean or replace circulation pump as necessary.
2. Check for pulses during operation at ST14 on the electronic, using a
multimeter set for low-voltage DC. If there are pulses every 30 seconds,
then replace the electronic (Section 100-4.5 or 100-4.6). If there are no
pulses, replace the circulation pump (Section 050-4.13).
Cause:
Electronic defective.
Remedy:
Replace the electronic. See Section 100-4.5 or 100-4.6.
3.11 Fault Code F11: Drainage Fault
Symptom:
Water present in appliance and is not being drained off.
Background information:
After each drain pump step, the circulation pump operates for 2 seconds and
heater pressure switch B1/13 checks the water level. See Figure 080-6. If it is
too high (large quantity of residual water remaining in the cabinet), the
drainage time is extended. If, after a further check, the water level is still too
high, then the program is interrupted, the fault code is saved and the drain
pump is activated.
Figure 080-6: Circuit Test Path for F11
Fault code F11 is also registered if heater relay 1K1 is not activated after the
fault code F51 register check; see Section 080-3.27.
Cause:
Drain hose kinked.
Remedy:
Check the drain hose for correct positioning.
Cause:
Drain blocked.
Remedy:
Check for proper water flow from the drain line by performing the following
procedure:
1. Disconnect drain line from drain trap, garbage disposal, or drain pipe and
place in bucket or large container.
2. Ensure that adequate water is in the dishwasher cabinet. Select and start
a new wash program (first step should be a 30-second drain). Ensure that
the drain hose is held in place within the bucket or container.
3. If water flows from the drain hose, the dishwasher is not the cause of the
blockage. Blockage is in the piping and should be checked by a
specialist.
If water does not flow from the drain hose, then check the filters.
1. Clean the on-site drain.
2. Check the sump drain.
3. Check the filters for blockage.
4. Check the heater pressure switch and replace it, if necessary. See
Section 050-4.16.
Cause:
Ball in non-return valve in sump has not opened (e.g., jammed).
Remedy:
Check the non-return valve for blockage; clean or replace as necessary.
Clean the non-return valve in the sump or replace it if necessary.
Cause:
Drain pump defective.
Remedy:
With the non-return valve removed, check the drain pump for proper
operation by performing the following steps:
1. Check the drain pump impeller blades for proper rotation. If stuck, look for
foreign objects blocking impeller blades. If impeller blades are jammed
and no foreign objects are found, proceed to the next step.
2. Remove the lower service door panel.
3. Operate the dishwasher in a drain step.
4. Check for power at the drain pump. If pump is receiving power, then
replace the drain pump. If not, check wiring from electronic to the drain
pump. Replace or repair as necessary (Section 050-4.17).
Cause:
Foreign objects in heater pressure switch.
Remedy:
Check the heater pressure switch for blockages and correct switching point.
Ensure that the contacts are in the correct position after a drain step. Replace
if necessary. See Section 050-4.16.
Cause:
Heater relay defective.
Heater relay (coil or contacts) becomes defective during the drainage step
(after fault code F51 register check).
Remedy:
Replace the heater relay. See Section 050-4.10.
mrb627
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I don't have the model number handy, but can post it this evening.
Malcolm
I don't have the model number handy, but can post it this evening.
Malcolm
mrb627
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Update
So last night I emptied the machine of all dishware, cleaned the filters, cleaned the check valve, reassembled, then ran an empty 'Sensor Wash' program.
It completed without an error. I will repeat the empty run at least two more times over the weekend. If successful, I will bless it as a fluke.
Perhaps I dislodged some grit from the check valve from the first F-11 fault and it is making its way through the water path. I hope that is all it is.
Malcolm
So last night I emptied the machine of all dishware, cleaned the filters, cleaned the check valve, reassembled, then ran an empty 'Sensor Wash' program.
It completed without an error. I will repeat the empty run at least two more times over the weekend. If successful, I will bless it as a fluke.
Perhaps I dislodged some grit from the check valve from the first F-11 fault and it is making its way through the water path. I hope that is all it is.
Malcolm
