mrb627
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Anyone wanting a W48XX series should get one now!
Malcolm
Malcolm
Miele EXITS US Large Capacity Marketplace!
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mysteryclock
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Wow - didn't see that coming, especially after they just introduced the IntelliQ stuff north of the border. I wonder if this means they'll bring back the 240v machines? If they could run them off a "buddy" outlet on their electric dryer like Asko & Bosch do they'd get past the biggest hurdle most people have with them (rewiring) and they'd probably sell well...
washmeup
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Miele
I have these machines and they are great!!! I know they are expensive but they are the best machines I have ever owned! Too bad the US market did not work out for them.
I have these machines and they are great!!! I know they are expensive but they are the best machines I have ever owned! Too bad the US market did not work out for them.
The article said they would continue to sell the 24" machines and they do have a duplex outlet where one 30 dryer outlet will power the washer & dryer. The 24" machines have been available all along, but the US models are very dumbed down control & option wise.
From the article:
> What happened:
>
> Expense: Certainly the economy didn't help, but selling $3,000 laundry when
> Electrolux is selling a very good set at $1,500 does not drive many sales.
I agree with this one here. When I was looking at buying an IntelliQ 200 demo set, I was quoted $4000 for the washer and dryer.
Whereas, by purchasing Huebsch, I got machines which were just as reliable for nearly $1000 less.
Even though Miele machines are some of the best in the world, they just can't compete with Alliance.
Not to mention, most every other manufacturer (despite being not as good) is cheaper by a huge margin. Even LG's TOL washer/dryer set is still $1k cheaper.
Another problem is that I have a REAL big problem spending $4k on a washer/dryer set with a 1 year warranty.
>Outdated: Laundry now is bigger with more features and offers steam settings in
>both washer and dryer. The Miele is the same machine introduced in 2004.
This isn't as important to me, but I can see the typical American consumer wanting a lot of features and capabilities for the price.
My Huebsch machines are very basic machines and have about as many features as the near BOL models from the other manufacturers, but that's good enough for me. Quality matters to me more than having a "Beach Towels" cycle.
>Not Stackable: All front laundry is now stackable except Miele.
I personally don't see how a 5.0 cu.ft washer and a 9 cu.ft dryer could be used in a Stackable configuration unless you are 7 ft tall or don't mind using a ladder to load the dryer.
I can see why this would have prevented Miele from penetrating the market though.
As much as I hate to say it, In North American, especially Canada, Miele isn't exactly good value for the money. Huebsch/Speed Queen has much better value for the money.
Keep in mind that compared to the American Market, Miele machines are much more expensive up here and that really sucks.
I guess I'm not too surprised I guess. The sad part is, Large Appliances isn't where people usually splurge money, unless they are rich or something. They'd rather spend that money on a big TV, a nice computer or a nice car.
> What happened:
>
> Expense: Certainly the economy didn't help, but selling $3,000 laundry when
> Electrolux is selling a very good set at $1,500 does not drive many sales.
I agree with this one here. When I was looking at buying an IntelliQ 200 demo set, I was quoted $4000 for the washer and dryer.
Whereas, by purchasing Huebsch, I got machines which were just as reliable for nearly $1000 less.
Even though Miele machines are some of the best in the world, they just can't compete with Alliance.
Not to mention, most every other manufacturer (despite being not as good) is cheaper by a huge margin. Even LG's TOL washer/dryer set is still $1k cheaper.
Another problem is that I have a REAL big problem spending $4k on a washer/dryer set with a 1 year warranty.
>Outdated: Laundry now is bigger with more features and offers steam settings in
>both washer and dryer. The Miele is the same machine introduced in 2004.
This isn't as important to me, but I can see the typical American consumer wanting a lot of features and capabilities for the price.
My Huebsch machines are very basic machines and have about as many features as the near BOL models from the other manufacturers, but that's good enough for me. Quality matters to me more than having a "Beach Towels" cycle.
>Not Stackable: All front laundry is now stackable except Miele.
I personally don't see how a 5.0 cu.ft washer and a 9 cu.ft dryer could be used in a Stackable configuration unless you are 7 ft tall or don't mind using a ladder to load the dryer.
I can see why this would have prevented Miele from penetrating the market though.
As much as I hate to say it, In North American, especially Canada, Miele isn't exactly good value for the money. Huebsch/Speed Queen has much better value for the money.
Keep in mind that compared to the American Market, Miele machines are much more expensive up here and that really sucks.
I guess I'm not too surprised I guess. The sad part is, Large Appliances isn't where people usually splurge money, unless they are rich or something. They'd rather spend that money on a big TV, a nice computer or a nice car.
"But it has worked out for them"
Perhaps it shows that their strategy worked, i.e. people who can afford to aspire to the Miele Brand have worked out that "Bigger isnt always Best" and that the W3000 machines @ 6kg are perfect for their present day laundry requirements for wash performance, design of use and total efficiency - job done....!!!
One needs to understand one Aspires to "Brand Miele" - I`m still aspiring, will let you know when I`m there...!!!
Perhaps it shows that their strategy worked, i.e. people who can afford to aspire to the Miele Brand have worked out that "Bigger isnt always Best" and that the W3000 machines @ 6kg are perfect for their present day laundry requirements for wash performance, design of use and total efficiency - job done....!!!
One needs to understand one Aspires to "Brand Miele" - I`m still aspiring, will let you know when I`m there...!!!
Mike, When one has a pair of V-ZUGs, might it be deduced that one has surpassed the stage of aspiring to own Mieles?
Nah....
Whats in a Brand...Lol
Now if I had a Schulthess in the line up that might be different!!
Whats in a Brand...Lol
Now if I had a Schulthess in the line up that might be different!!
jerrod6
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After seeing video's of the larger 4 series and comparing it to the 3033 that is being sold I decided that if I needed a new washer I would pick the 3033. Even though it is smaller it seems to be built better and even at it's small size it costs more than the 4 series. What does one make of the cost difference?
If they are going to continue to offer the smaller size I hope they will be the 220 Volt series.
Wonder if the new energy standards played any role in their plans to leave the large machine series. They no doubt know that trying to use 35% less water than they currently do is going to be a problem. Not worth it for them to even try.
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If they are going to continue to offer the smaller size I hope they will be the 220 Volt series.
Wonder if the new energy standards played any role in their plans to leave the large machine series. They no doubt know that trying to use 35% less water than they currently do is going to be a problem. Not worth it for them to even try.
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The 24" machines continue to be for 220 volt operation and have been available all along. I believe the larger machines were hecho en Mexico and maybe made for US consumption.
Mike, what is the story of the Schulthess? Is it even more expensive than the ZUGs? Where are they made? Thanks.
Mike, what is the story of the Schulthess? Is it even more expensive than the ZUGs? Where are they made? Thanks.
30XX vs 48XX
Most persons chose the 3033 series over the 4800 it seems because there seems to be an opinion that the former was built more as a "true Miele" from Germany than the latter. Then there was also the fact that the 48XX series was quite large, couldn't stack and for all that didn't hold *that* much more than the 3033. Suppose of one routinely laundered queen sized or above duvets and such the larger machine might have made sense, but most didn't see it that way.
Miele's other problem with the 48XX series is that it was basically a unique thing for the North American market, thus unlike their others costs cannot be spread over a worldwide market. It must have been a pain for Miele having to make a washer that can only be sold in their non-native market. Bosch tired it but moved production to the USA in order to cut costs. Miele refuses to build a plant in the USA.
Regarding 220v washers, our dealer told us that Miele no longer offers 220v machines for sale in the USA, will have to investigate.
Most persons chose the 3033 series over the 4800 it seems because there seems to be an opinion that the former was built more as a "true Miele" from Germany than the latter. Then there was also the fact that the 48XX series was quite large, couldn't stack and for all that didn't hold *that* much more than the 3033. Suppose of one routinely laundered queen sized or above duvets and such the larger machine might have made sense, but most didn't see it that way.
Miele's other problem with the 48XX series is that it was basically a unique thing for the North American market, thus unlike their others costs cannot be spread over a worldwide market. It must have been a pain for Miele having to make a washer that can only be sold in their non-native market. Bosch tired it but moved production to the USA in order to cut costs. Miele refuses to build a plant in the USA.
Regarding 220v washers, our dealer told us that Miele no longer offers 220v machines for sale in the USA, will have to investigate.
jerrod6
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I only see the 110 volt 3X series on the USA web site so that is why I was asking.
If they are not going to sell the 4X series I would like them to sell the 220V machine as an option along with the 110V version.
You can't beat the speed of 220V and the fact that it can start with a tap cold fill and quickly heat the water, then again I almost never wash anything over 120F but 190F is there when I need it.
If they are not going to sell the 4X series I would like them to sell the 220V machine as an option along with the 110V version.
You can't beat the speed of 220V and the fact that it can start with a tap cold fill and quickly heat the water, then again I almost never wash anything over 120F but 190F is there when I need it.
I can tell you first hand that my Miele 4800 washer and my Miele 9800 dryer are not made in Mexico...try Czechoslavakia . You would think that paying thru the nose for these two it would have been built in Germany. Alot of the components are made in Germany and Miele makes its own electronics and motors. One thing that they claim 4 cu ft for the washer and granted it does hold alot but that's only if it's packed. Now the dryer on the other hand falls short on handling whatever size load the washer holds. The dryer is rather noisy too since it pulls alot of air thru the load but it's fast. But only fast if the load is spun at high speed. I tried using my Maytag A613 with the dryer and my gawd it took forever to dry a load.
I can understand why Miele pulled out of the US market. They certainly didn't give the US market the incredible warranty that they have in Canada for the machines. The set I have in Maine isn't being used anymore and I am thinking of selling them. Nothing wrong with them and not used more than 4 months total.
I can understand why Miele pulled out of the US market. They certainly didn't give the US market the incredible warranty that they have in Canada for the machines. The set I have in Maine isn't being used anymore and I am thinking of selling them. Nothing wrong with them and not used more than 4 months total.
jerrod6
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I have the T9822 gas dryer. Did you get the revised lint screen? That makes a lot of difference in the air sound on the inside, not so much on the outside though.
Miele @ 220v Washers
That ship has sailed, and probably will not dock again on these shores.
For ages Miele stuck with the line it would *ever* offer 120v washers in the United States as 220v was vastly better on many front. However they soon learned that despite their huge price tag and quality not every Amercian home had, wanted or would install 220v service just for a washing machine. Most ever Miele dealer in NYC we have spoken with said that bit was often a deal breaker. It became more so once other brands of front loaders such as LG, Whirlpool, Samsung et al came on the USA market.
Despite recent efforts Miele is still a niche brand on these shores. While they do have some wonderful appliances, outside of the rotary ironer and a few other things they have nothing other appliance makers do not offer often for less.
Furthermore as another posteer mentioned, for the money Miele wants for it's laundry appliances they should come with more than a puny one year warranty. Especially given the really dear call out charges from Miele service.
That ship has sailed, and probably will not dock again on these shores.
For ages Miele stuck with the line it would *ever* offer 120v washers in the United States as 220v was vastly better on many front. However they soon learned that despite their huge price tag and quality not every Amercian home had, wanted or would install 220v service just for a washing machine. Most ever Miele dealer in NYC we have spoken with said that bit was often a deal breaker. It became more so once other brands of front loaders such as LG, Whirlpool, Samsung et al came on the USA market.
Despite recent efforts Miele is still a niche brand on these shores. While they do have some wonderful appliances, outside of the rotary ironer and a few other things they have nothing other appliance makers do not offer often for less.
Furthermore as another posteer mentioned, for the money Miele wants for it's laundry appliances they should come with more than a puny one year warranty. Especially given the really dear call out charges from Miele service.
whirlcool
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Didn't Bosch do the same thing about a year ago (exited the large FL market)?
Yes
Bosch had the "Nexxt" or some such line of large unstackable frontloaders (made in their USA plant), but they were discontinued early this or last year.
IIRC the first models had problems (bearings?) that caused some machines to fail way eariler than they should, not sure how subsequent models held up.
We liked the looks and idea of the machine, even thought about purchasing one when they first came upon the scene, but cycles were limited and IIRC was another case of preprogramed wash/rinse temps via cycles. Also none of the machines had separate rinse and spin offerings.
Bosch had the "Nexxt" or some such line of large unstackable frontloaders (made in their USA plant), but they were discontinued early this or last year.
IIRC the first models had problems (bearings?) that caused some machines to fail way eariler than they should, not sure how subsequent models held up.
We liked the looks and idea of the machine, even thought about purchasing one when they first came upon the scene, but cycles were limited and IIRC was another case of preprogramed wash/rinse temps via cycles. Also none of the machines had separate rinse and spin offerings.
The redesigned fullsized Bosches were stackable -- I looked into buying a pair late in 2010 and they would have had to be stackable to fit in the space I had. The tops were plastic, which was a bit of a surprise, and didn't look too good unstacked. Not too long after they announced production was being discontinued.
Their initial fullsize offerings (also sold as Siemens at Best Buy for a time) were probably the ones that didn't stack. They had a tilted drum and I vaguely remember hearing about it causing some kind of problem.
Their initial fullsize offerings (also sold as Siemens at Best Buy for a time) were probably the ones that didn't stack. They had a tilted drum and I vaguely remember hearing about it causing some kind of problem.
I think that if I lived in Europe, I'd rather have a Miele instead of an Alliance machine..
Up here, the 3033 washer isn't all that much cheaper than the IntelliQ 100. Actually, it's slightly more.
I guess what Miele isn't taking into account is that a lot of homes have an electric dryer outlet, their machines should be flexible enough to run on 110 v sans heater or 230 volt w/ heater enabled. (Should just be a software option or something, after all, you don't need 230 volts to run the motor or the electronics.)
I think not having a factory in the US or in Canada could hurt Miele, only because they could use it as a major distribution center for North America and Mexico. Imagine all of the jobs it would create if they built machines here.
I would certainly have considered Miele if they offered a large capacity machine which was competitively priced with a small premium, a decent warranty and could run off of 230 volts.
I mean, if they came in about maybe $250-$500 more than an equivalent Huebsch/SQ set, I would have probably considered them instead. Especially if the warranty was comparable.
Besides, if Miele is supposed to be so great, why the short warranty? If the machines are supposed to last 20 years, why not have a 10 year warranty?
Just ranting a little...
Up here, the 3033 washer isn't all that much cheaper than the IntelliQ 100. Actually, it's slightly more.
I guess what Miele isn't taking into account is that a lot of homes have an electric dryer outlet, their machines should be flexible enough to run on 110 v sans heater or 230 volt w/ heater enabled. (Should just be a software option or something, after all, you don't need 230 volts to run the motor or the electronics.)
I think not having a factory in the US or in Canada could hurt Miele, only because they could use it as a major distribution center for North America and Mexico. Imagine all of the jobs it would create if they built machines here.
I would certainly have considered Miele if they offered a large capacity machine which was competitively priced with a small premium, a decent warranty and could run off of 230 volts.
I mean, if they came in about maybe $250-$500 more than an equivalent Huebsch/SQ set, I would have probably considered them instead. Especially if the warranty was comparable.
Besides, if Miele is supposed to be so great, why the short warranty? If the machines are supposed to last 20 years, why not have a 10 year warranty?
Just ranting a little...
