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jerrod6
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Racks how different?
MieleRod
We've talked before a few years ago. I have the G2830sc. Looking at the pictures of your new DW the racks look very similar to my 2830. I know that with the newer models ones you can space items all the way across the bottom rack...and the center of the cutlery tray lowers. Other than that what are the differences in the racking between the 2830 and your new DW? From the pictures it seems that there is not much change and the 2830 has both the separator bar and the wine glass holder in middle rack. I almost never use either but still can get two rows of glasses in the left side- just skip the bar.
In the USA the racking system is different between the Miele models so in this thread are we comparing like models or different ones?
Who knows when the 5000 series comes to the USA but my 2830 is still working fine even with our Non phosphate detergents - so really won't be upgrading until I need a new machine. No it doesn't have turbo but it has water save and energy save programs which can clean a normal soil load in 1 hour and 35 minutes although it is probably using more water than the newer ones
MieleRod
We've talked before a few years ago. I have the G2830sc. Looking at the pictures of your new DW the racks look very similar to my 2830. I know that with the newer models ones you can space items all the way across the bottom rack...and the center of the cutlery tray lowers. Other than that what are the differences in the racking between the 2830 and your new DW? From the pictures it seems that there is not much change and the 2830 has both the separator bar and the wine glass holder in middle rack. I almost never use either but still can get two rows of glasses in the left side- just skip the bar.
In the USA the racking system is different between the Miele models so in this thread are we comparing like models or different ones?
Who knows when the 5000 series comes to the USA but my 2830 is still working fine even with our Non phosphate detergents - so really won't be upgrading until I need a new machine. No it doesn't have turbo but it has water save and energy save programs which can clean a normal soil load in 1 hour and 35 minutes although it is probably using more water than the newer ones
Sensor wash Turbo cycle running. Cycle time was 1h28 when started, but it increased to 1:38 due to heavy soiling.
Nathan; can you confirm that yours does a longer, heated first rinse on heavier soil loads on Sensor Wash too? Just curious as to whether it's intentional or whether it's a bug, doesn't seem quite right to me!
Jon
Nathan; can you confirm that yours does a longer, heated first rinse on heavier soil loads on Sensor Wash too? Just curious as to whether it's intentional or whether it's a bug, doesn't seem quite right to me!
Jon
And the clean load.
You can see what I mean about drying... plastics still come out with a few drops of water, and there are small pools of water on the underside of cups - something which you didn't get with the older drying system. Nothing too drastic, but still kind of annoying.
Jon
You can see what I mean about drying... plastics still come out with a few drops of water, and there are small pools of water on the underside of cups - something which you didn't get with the older drying system. Nothing too drastic, but still kind of annoying.
Jon
This is what our average load every 1.5 days looks like. Normally there'd be more pots in the bottom rack, but we had dinner out tonight.
By our normal standards thats lightly loaded with little nesting, yet more often than not stuff can still come out dirty.
By our normal standards thats lightly loaded with little nesting, yet more often than not stuff can still come out dirty.
The Middle shelf
The lightly loaded upper shelf
mielerod69
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New basket design
Hi Jerrod6,
The new baskets are a little different. Let's start with the bottom basket. There are 2 rows on both the left and right to hold plates and now you have a section on the side where you can place cutting boards, grease filters and trays. You can also stack plates in the middle, so it is more flexible. The front row of tines are in an east-west configuration and can be folded down. The tines in the front have different heights to accommodate bowls and the like. The middle basket has some minor changes. On the right the cup rack is no longer height adjustable, but depth adjustable to put larger cups. The plate rack is no longer removable. The tines on the left can be folded down and there is no glass rail. On the left you still have the split fold cup rack, but as Nathan mentioned it is lower than the previous model. You still have the stemware support. The cutlery tray is excellent, giving you the flexibility of lowering the middle section for cooking utensils. Previously I would put these in the middle section of the middle basket. Also the fact that you can move the tray across to put tall wine glasses in.
I think the G 5000 are starting to be displayed in the Miele showrooms in the US, so it may be an idea to give them a call to see if they have them on display.
Hi Jerrod6,
The new baskets are a little different. Let's start with the bottom basket. There are 2 rows on both the left and right to hold plates and now you have a section on the side where you can place cutting boards, grease filters and trays. You can also stack plates in the middle, so it is more flexible. The front row of tines are in an east-west configuration and can be folded down. The tines in the front have different heights to accommodate bowls and the like. The middle basket has some minor changes. On the right the cup rack is no longer height adjustable, but depth adjustable to put larger cups. The plate rack is no longer removable. The tines on the left can be folded down and there is no glass rail. On the left you still have the split fold cup rack, but as Nathan mentioned it is lower than the previous model. You still have the stemware support. The cutlery tray is excellent, giving you the flexibility of lowering the middle section for cooking utensils. Previously I would put these in the middle section of the middle basket. Also the fact that you can move the tray across to put tall wine glasses in.
I think the G 5000 are starting to be displayed in the Miele showrooms in the US, so it may be an idea to give them a call to see if they have them on display.
jerrod6
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From the pictures I think I see the issue with the bowls on the right side.
The older design in the 28XX series and older had pins on the left side so that you could place bowls in them and they would face downward if you spaced them poperly. This design looks like it has the same type of support as the right side which works with plates but is not good for bowls. I don't even think you can get them to face downward.
Probably not going to work well the USA at all where many folks didn't particularly like the design of the OLD racks because they had trouble getting bowls to fit properly.
The older design in the 28XX series and older had pins on the left side so that you could place bowls in them and they would face downward if you spaced them poperly. This design looks like it has the same type of support as the right side which works with plates but is not good for bowls. I don't even think you can get them to face downward.
Probably not going to work well the USA at all where many folks didn't particularly like the design of the OLD racks because they had trouble getting bowls to fit properly.
jerrod6
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Brochure in Canada
Brisnat81
I went to the Canadian Miele web site and downloaded the G5915 the user manual. Not surprised to see it no where in sight in the USA.
Anyway....
I load my bowls in my G2830 on the right side of the lower basket because it has tines that can slant the bowls better than the plate racks. The Manual for the G5915 which looks similar to the 2830 seems to have tines across the front of the machine so perhaps you will have better bowl results trying to load them in the front.
Brisnat81
I went to the Canadian Miele web site and downloaded the G5915 the user manual. Not surprised to see it no where in sight in the USA.
Anyway....
I load my bowls in my G2830 on the right side of the lower basket because it has tines that can slant the bowls better than the plate racks. The Manual for the G5915 which looks similar to the 2830 seems to have tines across the front of the machine so perhaps you will have better bowl results trying to load them in the front.
Hi Jerrod,
The tines along the front have about 4 long tines on the outsides and then the rest are really short. So I can put about 3 bowls on either side but the middle tines are too low.
Then I have no space at the front for Pans and the new very tall tines along the sides, limit the size of roasting trays that can lean without hitting the spray arm.
I've increased the water level to Max fill for all portions of the cycle which seems to have fixed the cleaning problems, the bowls however I have to use the Champage glass holders to try and hold them in place where they are precariously perched. I've bought a few different types of bowls with a view of getting a new dinner set, and unless they are really small or have a really wide rim, they just dont seem to fit and wash properly in the lower rack. If the tines accross the front were all long, it probably wouldnt be an issue.
I'm still very unhappy with the left side of the upper rack, I tried swapping the cups to the right (Good cuprack) and glasses to the left and it makes the problem worse as the glasses hit the cup rack and then stick out about 2cm further than they need to. This stops me fitting a second row along the left hand side.
Miele's suggestion was to put cups on top of the rack and the tupperware underneath, all that gave me was dirty cups as the water couldnt get up there.
I've almost gotten to the stage now, where I'll just swap the top rack out of my old G2220 and make it Mum's problem to live with.
I would love to know what the supposed benefits are of making the left hand cup rack so low. Because unless you use Hotel style cups, nothing fits under it.
The tines along the front have about 4 long tines on the outsides and then the rest are really short. So I can put about 3 bowls on either side but the middle tines are too low.
Then I have no space at the front for Pans and the new very tall tines along the sides, limit the size of roasting trays that can lean without hitting the spray arm.
I've increased the water level to Max fill for all portions of the cycle which seems to have fixed the cleaning problems, the bowls however I have to use the Champage glass holders to try and hold them in place where they are precariously perched. I've bought a few different types of bowls with a view of getting a new dinner set, and unless they are really small or have a really wide rim, they just dont seem to fit and wash properly in the lower rack. If the tines accross the front were all long, it probably wouldnt be an issue.
I'm still very unhappy with the left side of the upper rack, I tried swapping the cups to the right (Good cuprack) and glasses to the left and it makes the problem worse as the glasses hit the cup rack and then stick out about 2cm further than they need to. This stops me fitting a second row along the left hand side.
Miele's suggestion was to put cups on top of the rack and the tupperware underneath, all that gave me was dirty cups as the water couldnt get up there.
I've almost gotten to the stage now, where I'll just swap the top rack out of my old G2220 and make it Mum's problem to live with.
I would love to know what the supposed benefits are of making the left hand cup rack so low. Because unless you use Hotel style cups, nothing fits under it.
jerrod6
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Wow
Sounds like a mess. A lot of folks in the USA have bowls like yours and some even deeper so now I am sure this configuration won't go over in the USA especially since the prior configurations were not really popular.
Can you order racks with other configurations?
Sounds like a mess. A lot of folks in the USA have bowls like yours and some even deeper so now I am sure this configuration won't go over in the USA especially since the prior configurations were not really popular.
Can you order racks with other configurations?
