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Hi All,

This is a great video explaining why the Miele liquid detergent system is better than any other type of liquid detergent on the market for both white and coloured laundry

 
Rod

Nice to see you hear again. This is very nice, but how much do each one of those detergents cost.

Like this sytem and would like to try it. Like that machine too but both look like something that will never make it to the USA.
 
UltraPhase 1 & 2

Thanks Jerrod6 I do chime in from time to time. The UltraPhase 1 is essentially similar to UltraColor liquid which you can purchase from Miele. The UltraPhase 2 is essentially a colour safe bleach consisting of Hydrogen Peroxide and other ingredients. The way the machine operates with these detergents is that it mixes the ratios depending on whether white or coloured laundry is washed. For white laundry the ratio is 50/50. For coloured laundry its 66/34. So some bleach is added to coloured laundry but at a lower concentration.
The cartridges cost €11.95 each.

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Thanks. I have Miele ultra liquid for colors but I only use it when I have colors with oily stains. For whites I use either Miele white or Persil. I doubt this machine will make it to the USA, so if the the color liquid is the same could you get the same effect by using some oxygen bleach on colors near the end of the wash?

Funny though because I always avoid oxygen bleach on colors because I am afraid it will fade some of them.
 
Jerrod, the explanation I read about the color safe detergents is that they contain some hydrogen peroxide because it deactivates the chlorine in tap water and that protects dark colors. I don't know if this Miele product uses the oxygen bleach that way or if they are trying to get colors cleaner and remove stains safely.
 
UltraColor + oxi bleach

Hi,

Sometimes if I'm washing coloured shirts or items with UltraColor liquid which have some stains on them I add some Vanish Oxi action. This is similiar to UltraPhase 2 and it doesn't have a fading effect on the colours.

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Once Again

P&G used small amounts of oxygen bleach in Cheer "Colour Guard" detergent to protect colours. That was the "guard" part, as the sodium perborate was enough to cancel out some of the chlorine bleach found in most American tap water. Hobbling that substance supposedly helped keep colors from fading and so forth.

Sodium perborate in addition requires hot or above temperatures to really become active, thus chances of even the small amount used in Cheer causing bleach damage would be minimal. This is because most persons would not be laundering rich colored textiles in hot or boiling water. Even with that all oxygen bleaches normally will not remove colour fast dyes. Well if you apply them directly to fabric and use high heat they may, but that isn't something most persons would do.
 
Being as all this may, there are colours

and there are colours...

Using oxygen bleaches on light/pastel coloured items even in hot water probably should be fine. Once you start going into more richly coloured things long as water temps are kept to warm or even cold (86F) again things should be fine, but shouldn't make a habit of it. Dark blues, blacks, browns, etc... are another matter all together.

Much depends also on what type of oxygen bleach one is using. Sodium perborate long was considered the "colour safe bleach" because it requires temps >120F and really 140F or above to really get going. Since most persons aren't going to wash colours in hot or boiling water chances of damage would be minimal. This is one of the reasons why Colorx2, Biz and the host of other early such products used SPB.

Sodium percarbonate OTOH is known as the "cold water oxygen bleach" because it can and will become active even in cold water. Therefore even routine use with some colours even in cool to warm temps can cause fading over time.

Liquid hydrogen peroxide like sodium perborate requires hot to boiling water to become really effective. European laundries long have used pure highly concentrated LHP as a liquid bleach along with boil wash temps. Many prefer liquid hydrogen peroxide because it is near neutral since it is not based on alkaline substances (sodium carbonate/washing soda or borax) like dry oxygen bleaches. This means among other things you can use liquid hydrogen peroxide on protein fabrics such as silk or wool if you know what you are doing. Also since it is pure less rinsing is required when using liquid hydrogen peroxide. Much of the stuff simply breaks down into water when exposed to air, light and high temperatures. This is why LHP is always sold in dark bottles with warnings to keep tightly closed.

Forget the exact ratio but IIRC it is for ever ten degree increase in water temperature oxygen bleaches become twenty times stronger. Persons with knowledge of proper use can and do use oxygen bleaches on textiles ranging from fragile to deeply coloured by using their expertise to control the bleaching action strength. That is if you want to remove a tea stain from a blue shirt, it probably can be done and still keep the color.

Liquid oxygen bleaches are still sold here in the USA. Don't know about "Snowy", but Vivid and Colorx 2 are both still around. However even going back to the 1980's when Consumer Reports tested both powder and liquid oxygen bleaches the liquids came in dead last for stain removal, whitening, and so forth. Colorx 2 powder was first, then BIZ.

Finally on both sides of the pond oxygen bleach powders (sodium percarbonate and sodium perborate) have long been combined with activators. Tide w Bleach, Oxydol, Persil, Ariel, etc.... all have such systems. Indeed P&G and Henkel have scores of patents on such systems and keep them closely guarded.

Because these activated bleaches will work in cooler wash temperatures (mainly for sodium perborate, but also sodium percarbonate), consumers are often advised to restrict their use on colors. Both Persil and TWB are known to fade some coloured textiles with routine use. Hence the need for "color" detergents that do not contain oxygen bleach activated or otherwise. To save having to stock two sorts of detergents many simply purchase a color version and add oxygen bleach when needed.
 
Snowy

Snowy Bleach, was a laundry bleach product advertised, years, and years ago. Notably by our very own Phyllis Diller.

It was a Sodium Phosphate, Sodium Perborate (later Sodium Percarbonate, in some formulas) Formulation. And it's advertising line, was that it wouldn't yellow fabrics, and could be safely used.

Really Good Formula, imho. Although, due to Phosphate Bans, and in general, booster products losing there grounds, it's not freely available anymore.
 
Adding Oxygen Bleach Later In Cycle

For some stains such as blood it is actually best to allow the detergent (with enzymes) to work first then follow with oxygen bleaching. My AEG-OKO Lavamat has a special "stain" cycle that when activated dispenses "stain remover" products at the proper time in the wash cycle while also extending. What the stain remover product is supposed to be one has not yet figured out. IMHO it would be either an enzyme and bleach combination product such as fleckensalz or simply oxygen bleach. Since this machine is cold water only connection one assumes it has something to do with oxygen bleach since that substance really does not get going until warm water temps are reached.
 
Launderess having joined the throng

of AEG users I too have a stain cycle which when used with Persil and separate wash stain booster I notice that it takes the wash powder and as its about to start heating the water it takes the booster powder, they work very well and I am pretty sure the machine holds the temp of the water at about 35-40c for 10 mins then carries on to what ever temp its set at.

I had forgotten how good AEG washing machines are....
 
Well Since Both Miele Ultra Color and the Unit Dose Liquid

Contain OBAs, won't be on my purchase list. Well if some came my way at a good price but otherwise wouldn't bother.

Looking over the ingredient lists from link above don't see anything remarkable about these products. The detergent is pretty much the standard TOL version what you would find in Persil, Ariel, or other European brands.
 
My current bottle and box powder of Miele Ultra Color do not contain OBA's, but they were not made by the same company this stuff is. If the new bottles and powders of Miele color detergents sold in the the USA have OBA's I won't be buying them either. I don't want OBA's on my colors or darks.
 
Detergents
UltraWhite
This highly concentrated, multi-purpose powder detergent has special whiteners formulated to remove stains and keep white or light-colored fabrics looking brilliant. A fresh, but subtle flowers and fruit fragrance accompanies the detergent’s high quality cleaning.

UltraColor
A unique concentrated formula with advanced brighteners that effectively remove stains, even at low temperatures. Protects vibrant colors and leaves clothing with a soft feel and a hint of citrus fruit and lavender scent.

Sensitive Skin
Like Miele’s other Ultra detergents, this too is a powerful, deep-cleaning formula -- only with special, mild fragrances that do not irritate sensitive skin or trigger allergic reactions from allergy sufferers.

 
Where are the OBAs?

As far as I know there are no OBAs in Miele detergents for coloureds. Can you point me in the direction where they are?
 
Laundress thanks for the link. I read the information on that page, but at the very bottom it says that it was taken from an article written in 2008. 2008 is about the time Miele was releasing their detergents to the USA, and I have bought a ton of ultra color and Miele for whites since then.

I wonder if the writer is misunderstanding the information on the labels of these products, or not understanding the information he has read about them. The labels say that the detergents feature a color Care system for bright colors. It doesn't say it will make anything bright, only that it will help keep them bright. I don't know that much about chemicals so I don't know if any of them listed in the post by Logixx contains oxygen bleach.

Here is a list of ingredients on the bottle of Ultra color I have:

15-30% nonionic surfactants, polycarboxylates, fragrance, enzymes.

I am out of the Miele detergent for whites, but it does state that it contains enzymes, oxygen bleach and I believe brightener. I am Ok with brightener on my whites, just not my colors.

I don't know if any of the ingredients listed on this bottle of Ultra Color is a brightener though. All of my Miele detergents were made by Kreussler...don't know if they are still making these USA detergents or not. I have less than a 1/4 bottle left so I will be able to tell everything the next time I order it.
 

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