MIELE programming Mode. Effects of settings.

[w5872]

Ok so we've all established that Mieles are obviously a better buy and not only that but customisable despite Miele not wanting you to.

The big one for most people is "MAX WATER LEVEL" we all know what that does.

Others include allergy... Effect? Does it increase temperature holding time?

Auto load detect? Can I switch it off and have my washer assume a full load all of the time therefore providing consistently excellent rinsing results? Cottons 40 Short + Water plus/+Extra Rinse on a FULL load exc 4kg performs 5 rinses. FIVE. I would like that to be the standard if I wash a smaller load. OLD SCHOOL.

 

[ronhic]

Robert

Before you start playing around with the cycles it's worth knowing that Mieles already rinse well with a full load even with their low water levels.

 

[servisslimline]

Miele rinsing

Ronhic with my WT2670 ive found rinsingnis acctually very poor without max level on, and even with max level on it still dosent rinse anywhere near as good as my tricity bendix
Phil.

 

[dj-gabriele]

rinsingnis acctually very poor

Yeah, in my experience too!
I really can't understand all this hype about Miele performance. They're built better than most of the stuff you can buy today for domestic use but performance wise they're just average. Nothing special and rinsing is very poor, on par to Whirlpool machines I used.

 

[hoover1100]

Welcome Robert!

I'm sorry I can't answer your question, but your thread has reminded me of something I've been meaning to ask for a while.

My parent's have a W3204, I was wondering if anyone knew how to access the programming mode on this model?

As for rinsing, set water plus to setting 4 and select it for higher water level and 3 rinses, if you are still finding rinsing results unsatisfactory you are either impossible to please or are doing something wrong!

Matt

 

[hotpoint9534]

Hi Matt,

On my W3985 you close the door with the machine switched off. Then whilst holding the start button in you switch the machine on with the on/off button. When the start button begins to flash you let go and press it quickly either 3 or 5 times (holding it in on the last press) depending on which service menu you want.

As yours is a W3xxx series I imagine it'll be similar to mine.

I have the maximum rinse water level setting on as the rinsing wasn't great before (certainly not as good as my two 1980s Zanussi machines anyway).

Tom.

 

[henene4]

Mieles rinse well indeed in my opinion, but realy, I thought there couldn't be more and better rinsing, but than the Panasonic came across... The only washers today here which does kind of Spray-Rinsing on Eco-Mode (Evn through I recognized the first softwarebugs).
Which are the options in Auto Load detect menu ? Just on and off? If yes, just turn it off and then see what happens
And on our previous Miele W3241 3 times pressig was the Service-cycle, 5 times the programming mode, but as it only got an numerical display, programming was not possible...
On our W961, there was the old way to get into service and programming mode with water plus, short and start button.
How high can yours spin? Some of the European models with FU-Motor are abled to spin with 2000 rpm. Insane!

 

[paulc]

Miele rinsing

I just don't get why people are saying the rinse performance is bad. Here in Edinburgh we have very soft water, I tend to use unit dosed detergent which can get very sudsy but my machine copes well with rinsing. I have had problems in the past with Bold powder/gels sending my machine into sudslock and making the machine add extra rinses (5 in total) however I stopped using Bold as the cleaning power was not great.

Most modern Miele machines have the capability to do five rinses on a cotton wash if you select water plus (extra rinse), a temp less than 60 deg and a spin speed below 700rpm however, I feel this is a waste of time as you get very good rinsing when leaving the machine at factory settings.

I am siding with Matt here but add if your Miele is not rinsing properly check the pump filter, if that fails change your detergent.

 

[hotpoint9534]

Rinsing

I never said rinsing was bad. It's just not as good as my older machines. I'm not using different detergent in my older machines either. Neither are my filters blocked!

Tom

 

[foraloysius]

Are you using the same amount of detergent in your Miele as in your Tricity Bendix? You might try using less detergent because the Miele probably uses less water in the main wash than the TB. With less detergent you might get a equal strong solution. Less detergent means better rinse results in that case.

 

[samsungfl]

Miele Rinsing...

Nice thread guys!

Been a while since I've posted on here so thought I'd have my say on this one

With regards to Miele's and rinsing I cant say I've had any issues with ours, I find it quite effective with the long spins in between to be honest. I must say though that extra water defiantly doesn't contribute to a better rinse on the whole, something I didn't really believe until a few years ago.

On the contrary to this though, I do have my Miele set to its Maximum water level and have done now for the last 3 years, but that is just purely my preference, visually I just find a deep rinse nicer to watch, before I had this option selected the water level would vary depending on what was sensed, and even with low water levels rinsing was never a problem. I believe that as long as there is enough water for the clothes to tumble around in like during the main wash, then that's enough for a good rinse without taking the other variables into consideration like the length of spins in between etc.

I've also found other machines to be good at rinsing too with low water levels, such as a few Beko machines I have used, and again they spend a fair bit of time spinning after the main wash and subsequent rinses.

But to tell you all the truth, I'm just a big water hog I think LOL!

Hope this helps

Rich

 

[w5872]

Thanks for the replies guys!

I notice a few of you are based outside the EU, and I'm not sure how your water use has been restricted. Rinsing is adequate on my Miele. Re: checking filters drawers pumps etc; it's three WEEKS old

She's great, sturdy, I do agree with some comments about performance. It's adequate at cleaning but I love her, good detergent should do most of the work anyway! Ariel Ariel Ariel. I do have gentle action programmed, I prefer the pauses between tumbles. I have Max Water Level programmed cause I like to use powder for my whites, We have very sensitive skin and it works.

I like sticking a full load of Cottons on 40, Short, 1200, Gentle Action, Water Plus/+Extra Rinse. Its a complete old fashioned wash, deep rinses. And a really good clean in a good time 2:06! It does 5 rinses total. Same as our old Electrolux circ 1992. I know SHORT is supposed to be a max 4kg load, but !@#$%^&* it...Bend me over and tell me I'm naughty.

 

[servisslimline]

Rinsing

I use around the same amount of powder as i did in the tb give or take 40 ml because of the bigger drum, but if i use any less i get poor results. I wash the same way as i did in the tb yet the tb gives better results. Ive been told its the powders im using but i used the same ones in the tb, bold, easy and daz and the tb would clean everything 1st time all the time, yet the miele seems to struggle. Its meant to be one of the best machines going, yet its clearly not as good.
Phil

 

[jerrod6]

WOW

Live in the USA.....and buy any current machine......then you will know what having a little water in a rinse is about!

 

[henene4]

The Panasonic is really good at rinsing, no matter if the waterlevel is high as on the normal or fast setting or if you set Eco with 50l (67l with us as we always use the extra rinse option). The spins are pretty ok between the rinses (unlike our AEG as it does no intermit spin between rinse 1 and 2 in 60% of the cycles), but if the load is not balanced, it does a maximum waterlevel rinse which adds about 30l of water ( I once washed a blanket on Curtains and it did 3 normal rinses and 3 rinses extra as it was never abled to balance the blanket what made the washer use ca. 200l of water only for 1 blanket XD) instead of the spin what works really good.
But again, the normal cycle tryes up to 5 times balancing, short only 3 times and eco always spins...

 

[hoover1100]

Hi Tom

How would the max rinse be selected then. I tried what you said and after pressing start 4 times the anti-crease/finish light came on but not much else!

Matt

 

[lavamat_jon]

Matt, unfortunately you would need the documentation to know which setting to turn to which will alter the maximum water level option.  To put it another way, you know how to access the safe but you need the right code to get into it.

 

On the machines with the display a menu just comes up (similarly to the extra programmes menu), unfortunately on the dial machines it is all to do with the dial.

 

Jon

 

[w5872]

Another load off my mind...

Going to do the next wash with a half load and auto load detect switched off. I'll post again in 3 hours or so and let y'all know my findings.

 

[w5872]

Re: Servisslimline

When you say TB? Do you mean Tricity Bendix? My expierence of them over the years was that they were quite !@#$%^&*. Tiny drum, badly programmed, the belts constantly came off..
And the results were anything but exceptional. I have to say I find the Miele to be just as good at cleaning as my Zanussi Jetsystem and far superior at rinsing and textile care. No matter what the Zanussi wash action was too rough and left colthes feeling very tough. Not the case with my Miele. And the Miele is so much quieter.

 

[henene4]

@hoover1100
You have to press it three times and then hold it (Its quiet confusing). That means you press twice, then, at the 3rd time, you hold it pushed in.
Wich modell have you? Because, 3 times pressing is normaly the service cycle. Testing the components etc. If I know your modell, I can tell you a bit about it.
5 times pressing then is the programming mode. But DO NOT USE THIS MODE! You would more or less probably need the service to reconfigure the board as long as you dont have the coresponding manuals and a text-display(I know it as it happend to me earlier )

 

[w5872]

Auto load detection

So it's switched off and the wash proceeded as if a full load. No other differences to note. Clothes got a great rinsing, it's amazing how much fresher well rinsed clothes feel. Bouncier.

 

[servisslimline]

Tricity bendix

Yea i did mean tricity bendix, mines been reliable from day 1 never broke down and has done upto 12 loads a week, yes i agree the drum is quite small but other than that ive found it to be the best machine ive ever used performance wise, theres no issues with thr belt. If anything my zanussi fla1002 is the bad one, that gives bad results and yes the belt disintegrated after only 8 years. I like th programming of the tb over the zanussi as it dosent waste time like the zanussi does with antisuds tumbles or whatever they are. Also the tb is much quieter than the zanussi and alot quicker
Phil

 

[servisslimline]

Miele fault

Another thing. Not sure if its happened to anyone else's but i know its happened to a friend of mines machine, not on here but on youtube, the problem is that the machine will freeze mid cycle, still washes away but the time dosent count down, its happened on the main wash and rinses so far, was just wondering why it does it as everytime it happens i have to cancel the programme to make it work properly again
Phil

 

[Unimatic1140]

There that's much better.

 

[liberatordeluxe]

PaulC I have no problem with you AT all.

I am basing my experiences with modern machines that I have personally come across so don't side with that lot based on that.

I may not be an engineer or overly experienced but I am far from stupid as some would like to make out. I have changed modules and timers on a friends old 95 series so I do know a little about washers but there am always willing to learn more.

Thanks to your recommendation of Halo Non Bio Paul I am going to buy that for the whites only as you are rightly so it being easy rinsing. The guy at HALO was really informative and said that the likes of Ariel and Persil deliberately add foam boosters because the public like to see foam but he added that it made rinsing difficult and also a reflection of modern machines using less water. His words NOT mine.

 

[aquacycle]

I'm noticing a pattern here with threads about machines turning into threads about detergent.

Of course the guy from Halo will say that. He's in competition with P&G and unilever, so he'll say anything he can to make the Halo product look better. That's marketing for you. I've never used Halo, so can't say anything, but Persil and Ariel haven't got 50+ years of glowing reputation (Persil power aside) for nothing.

Now, back to the Miele?

 

[liberatordeluxe]

What would you like say about Mr Miele then dear?

 

[paulc]

Chris

I just have to say to Liberatordeluxe, Halo is a good detergent but you'll need oxygen bleach added for whites.

As for Miele pausing mid cycle....mine does that too if the fuzzy logic determines wash temp has not been reached or excess suds in the rinse.

 

[w5872]

Indeed, Back to the Miele

So...I'm glad you liek your Tricity Bendix. After the 1992 models though I found them quite boring. But if they float your boat, they float your boat.

I certainly wouldn't be trading in my Miele for a Tricity Bendix.

Does anyone have an idea what "Allergy" does when switched on? It was switched off on factory settings. I switched it on. I wonder if it affects the tempeeraure holding times in regular cycles? I know the hygeine programme hold the temp for the majority of the main wash (I did a 90c Hygeine cycle full of towels there was SOME heat off the machine for 2 hours followed by a very deep cooldown)

 

[aquacycle]

I wouldn't say anything to Mr. Miele, seeing as Miele have their own detergent....

Back on topic, please?