Thanks John
You bring up good points. Can you tell us what models have the better pumps?
You bring up good points. Can you tell us what models have the better pumps?
Miele W1 disappointment
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Better whirlpool, Built Dishwashers
The models that do not have the removal bowl cylindrical filter, have the heavy duty motor with the self cleaning filter mesh system.
These are more common induction motors. They are not variable speed, and all that nonsense.
Whirlpool has certainly made a lot of dishwashers in the past decade or so that had problems they’ve experimented with all kinds of different motors and wash arm designs etc., some of which were not very successful. They also had a lot of leaks from the diverter shaft seals. They’ve change those designs. It looks like for the better.
John
The models that do not have the removal bowl cylindrical filter, have the heavy duty motor with the self cleaning filter mesh system.
These are more common induction motors. They are not variable speed, and all that nonsense.
Whirlpool has certainly made a lot of dishwashers in the past decade or so that had problems they’ve experimented with all kinds of different motors and wash arm designs etc., some of which were not very successful. They also had a lot of leaks from the diverter shaft seals. They’ve change those designs. It looks like for the better.
John
do not have the removal bowl cylindrical filter
Well, based upon that description, that is the higher end KitchenAids with the pretty much self leaning filter and all Maytags. Last time I looked, all Whirlpool branded machines have a filter requiring to be checked and/or cleaned.
Well, based upon that description, that is the higher end KitchenAids with the pretty much self leaning filter and all Maytags. Last time I looked, all Whirlpool branded machines have a filter requiring to be checked and/or cleaned.
iiijohnnymaciii
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Reply 17
I have to say, I think KitchenAid is putting themselves back on the map with their new dishwashers. I believe KitchenAid is using a different iteration of passive filter pump as well. Here’s a photo of my current Kitchenaid KDFE204. It looks much beefier than my old KA passive filter pump dishwasher. I’m a daily full loader, so I’ll let you know if I have issues with it, but this one looks much better engineered than my old one: bottom and middle stainless steel spray arms, the bottom basket rollers are built much better and are reminiscent to the Power Clean ones (albeit not quite as good), their seems to be tighter tolerances on the middle rack and third rack gliders, and the programming (particularly the ProWash cycle is absolutely superb. I’ve been using this machine for a full year (using only powder) and never had any red sauce stains.
I have to say, I think KitchenAid is putting themselves back on the map with their new dishwashers. I believe KitchenAid is using a different iteration of passive filter pump as well. Here’s a photo of my current Kitchenaid KDFE204. It looks much beefier than my old KA passive filter pump dishwasher. I’m a daily full loader, so I’ll let you know if I have issues with it, but this one looks much better engineered than my old one: bottom and middle stainless steel spray arms, the bottom basket rollers are built much better and are reminiscent to the Power Clean ones (albeit not quite as good), their seems to be tighter tolerances on the middle rack and third rack gliders, and the programming (particularly the ProWash cycle is absolutely superb. I’ve been using this machine for a full year (using only powder) and never had any red sauce stains.
"You can’t buy the bottom trim level and expect top trim features."
Except as you yourself say prior to W1 Miele only offered one version of washers sold in USA. They all were TOL so to speak, so how was OP or anyone else not up on things to assume or even know what Miele is up to nowadays..
Except as you yourself say prior to W1 Miele only offered one version of washers sold in USA. They all were TOL so to speak, so how was OP or anyone else not up on things to assume or even know what Miele is up to nowadays..
"But I am very surprised the machine said it could do Sanitize in 1:25 then!"
The MIELE W1
"All Miele W1 machines use mechanical action combined with temperature, detergency, and time to offer SUPERIOR cleaning results. To kill bacteria in a wash cycle, the “sanitize program” uses a temperature of 140ºF for over 40 minutes and a maximum wash temperature of 170ºF. This is a much higher temperature range than most other domestic washing machines."
https://uakc.net/blog/sanitizing-your-household-wash-with-the-miele-w1-washing-machine/
Now here's the payoff; as one has repeatedly stated "sanitize" is rather a nebulous term. From a healthcare science standpoint it basically means reduction of pathogens to levels not likely to cause illness. That's all...
Furthermore as linked Miele PR above notes there is not a standard anyone can point to for laundry sanitation far as residential laundry is concerned.
"While there are currently no industry defined standards for washing machine “sanitize” cycles in residential machines, Miele has strived to offer the best possible sanitizing options. While you must still use the appropriate settings for your clothing or laundry items, you can have confidence that the W1 will reduce at least 99.9 percent of microorganisms in your wash. So, whether you have concerns about the current pandemic or simply want to avoid the whole family becoming ill from the coughs and sniffles that circulate around your children’s school, the W1 is a serious tool in the fight to prevent the spreading of viruses and bacteria."
The MIELE W1
"All Miele W1 machines use mechanical action combined with temperature, detergency, and time to offer SUPERIOR cleaning results. To kill bacteria in a wash cycle, the “sanitize program” uses a temperature of 140ºF for over 40 minutes and a maximum wash temperature of 170ºF. This is a much higher temperature range than most other domestic washing machines."
https://uakc.net/blog/sanitizing-your-household-wash-with-the-miele-w1-washing-machine/
Now here's the payoff; as one has repeatedly stated "sanitize" is rather a nebulous term. From a healthcare science standpoint it basically means reduction of pathogens to levels not likely to cause illness. That's all...
Furthermore as linked Miele PR above notes there is not a standard anyone can point to for laundry sanitation far as residential laundry is concerned.
"While there are currently no industry defined standards for washing machine “sanitize” cycles in residential machines, Miele has strived to offer the best possible sanitizing options. While you must still use the appropriate settings for your clothing or laundry items, you can have confidence that the W1 will reduce at least 99.9 percent of microorganisms in your wash. So, whether you have concerns about the current pandemic or simply want to avoid the whole family becoming ill from the coughs and sniffles that circulate around your children’s school, the W1 is a serious tool in the fight to prevent the spreading of viruses and bacteria."
joe_in_philly
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NSF Protocol P172
I think Miele may be wrong about that. I believe the NSF protocol P172 would be considered a residential sanitary cycle standard.
https://www.nsf.org/consumer-resources/articles/washer-dryer-certification
I think Miele may be wrong about that. I believe the NSF protocol P172 would be considered a residential sanitary cycle standard.
https://www.nsf.org/consumer-resources/articles/washer-dryer-certification
So let me clarify my thoughts here.
First of all, I have a good experience with Miele since the whole family owns a Miele washer back in Europe (Grandmother, Mother, Sister, Me (one W3241 in Greece and my previous W3035) and Several Miele Dishwashers.
Miele forever offered low end or “Basic” models of their Series. For Example, my Washer in Greece was missing some fancy features like Drum Light or High Spin speed (most of the models back then used to go up to 1600 or even 1800 rpm).
My Grandmother’s Dishwasher for Example was lacking the 3rd Silverware rack.
But what’s the difference here? All of them were HARDWARE features that required Miele to add extra stuff on their machine (better drums, Better motors, Extra Screen, Extra Sensors etc).
Here we’re talking about absolutely easy SOFTWARE Features. We’re talking about EXTRA RINSE or PreWash. All of the hardware is there. Its only unavailable due to software restrictions.
Its not like Powerwash or Twin Dose.
I decided to get a Floor Model of a BASIC Miele washer which is supposed to perform BETTER that any other fancy washer. And yes I prefer to spend the money on a a nice trip somewhere around the world rather than giving Miele almost $2000 in order to get an Extra Rinse.
I was not upset about the lack of fancy touch screen or Powerwash or whatever requires hardware. But upset cause they decided to remove some cycles just to force you get the most expensive model. And don’t forget buys. “BASIC” Miele is over $1200 with taxes.
And when It’s time to look for a dishwasher first I will look for the build quality and then the features (and of course the price). If I can get a Dishwasher with good build quality but less features, I will prefer this over a fancy dishwasher which is gonna fail within a year.
That was the No1 reason I got the Miele. My decision will be made on the build quality and materials. Definitely I don’t wanna deal with a Plastic tub and the lack of 3rd Rack for silverware.
Now the fact that Miele was defective this is not a basic model or floor model thing. The Machine had an issue on what Miele used to call “WCS” unit on the back of the Machine. I’m sorry but I was not willing to wait almost a month for a part (This is what I got told. The Machine was still in Warranty).
Also what I’ve learned so far in the US is to try to buy local. I was always an AUDI and BMW fan but here Maintenance and Parts are incredibly expensive, so I switched to a FORD and I’m quite happy with it.
I knew even when I got my Heatpump dryer and the W3035 that I was alone in case something goes wrong But I didn’t expect something to go wrong SO fast.
That’s why I switched to LG. Yes is not local (I was looking for a Speed Queen but I’m not willing to spend so much money for a washer that is lacking internal heater and EXTRA HOT setting). but everyone supports and willing to service an LG. Its piece of cake to find Parts.
BTW I don’t use the Sanitize Cycle to kill germs but wash my white Sheets and Towels and keep them White. In Europe we wash our whites on 95c so Cotton Sheets and towels stay white forever without Bleach.
The “Sanitize” Wash temp in W3035 was enough to get my Kitchen towels White and Stain-free without the need of OXY or Bleach.
First of all, I have a good experience with Miele since the whole family owns a Miele washer back in Europe (Grandmother, Mother, Sister, Me (one W3241 in Greece and my previous W3035) and Several Miele Dishwashers.
Miele forever offered low end or “Basic” models of their Series. For Example, my Washer in Greece was missing some fancy features like Drum Light or High Spin speed (most of the models back then used to go up to 1600 or even 1800 rpm).
My Grandmother’s Dishwasher for Example was lacking the 3rd Silverware rack.
But what’s the difference here? All of them were HARDWARE features that required Miele to add extra stuff on their machine (better drums, Better motors, Extra Screen, Extra Sensors etc).
Here we’re talking about absolutely easy SOFTWARE Features. We’re talking about EXTRA RINSE or PreWash. All of the hardware is there. Its only unavailable due to software restrictions.
Its not like Powerwash or Twin Dose.
I decided to get a Floor Model of a BASIC Miele washer which is supposed to perform BETTER that any other fancy washer. And yes I prefer to spend the money on a a nice trip somewhere around the world rather than giving Miele almost $2000 in order to get an Extra Rinse.
I was not upset about the lack of fancy touch screen or Powerwash or whatever requires hardware. But upset cause they decided to remove some cycles just to force you get the most expensive model. And don’t forget buys. “BASIC” Miele is over $1200 with taxes.
And when It’s time to look for a dishwasher first I will look for the build quality and then the features (and of course the price). If I can get a Dishwasher with good build quality but less features, I will prefer this over a fancy dishwasher which is gonna fail within a year.
That was the No1 reason I got the Miele. My decision will be made on the build quality and materials. Definitely I don’t wanna deal with a Plastic tub and the lack of 3rd Rack for silverware.
Now the fact that Miele was defective this is not a basic model or floor model thing. The Machine had an issue on what Miele used to call “WCS” unit on the back of the Machine. I’m sorry but I was not willing to wait almost a month for a part (This is what I got told. The Machine was still in Warranty).
Also what I’ve learned so far in the US is to try to buy local. I was always an AUDI and BMW fan but here Maintenance and Parts are incredibly expensive, so I switched to a FORD and I’m quite happy with it.
I knew even when I got my Heatpump dryer and the W3035 that I was alone in case something goes wrong But I didn’t expect something to go wrong SO fast.
That’s why I switched to LG. Yes is not local (I was looking for a Speed Queen but I’m not willing to spend so much money for a washer that is lacking internal heater and EXTRA HOT setting). but everyone supports and willing to service an LG. Its piece of cake to find Parts.
BTW I don’t use the Sanitize Cycle to kill germs but wash my white Sheets and Towels and keep them White. In Europe we wash our whites on 95c so Cotton Sheets and towels stay white forever without Bleach.
The “Sanitize” Wash temp in W3035 was enough to get my Kitchen towels White and Stain-free without the need of OXY or Bleach.
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