Miele W3985WPS

[2drumsallergy]

Hi Folks,
Here are a few pictures for your viewing pleasure. Please excuse the quality I'm not the best photographer LOL.

David

 

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Navitronic Display

Cottons 95ºC with Pre-wash, Water plus and 1800RPM Spin.

 

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Control Panel

Washing

 

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Full View

Main Wash just under two hours left to run.

 

[lavamat_jon]

David, that's one neat machine! How are you finding it so far?

One tip I have - rather than using the prewash, if you use a biological detergent try using the Soak cycle. I've found that the soak cycle will shift stubborn dirt better than a prewash will, as it gives a lot of time for the enzymes to clean the laundry much like the bio cycles of yesteryear, though the prewash cycle is still good if there are loose bits of debris such as sand or mud on the laundry.

The Express programme is also fantastic - we must use that for 50% of our clothing and it washes and rinses well in only 37 minutes... does a fast 1600rpm spin too and it's the only quick wash cycle I've used personally that works pretty well for the time it takes. Plus the fast spin means the dryer often finishes within 2 or 3 minutes of the washer finishing the express cycle!

Best of luck anyway!

Jon

 

[thor]

Hot + cold water

David, I thought Miele washers sold in England had valves both for cold and hot water supply. I saw this at all the Miele sold in Harrod's a few years ago. I noticed your machine is only connected to the cold water supply. Was this your choice or this model has just one water valve for cold water?

Emilio

 

[lavamat_jon]

Emilio - for the last 10 years at least Miele machines in the UK have only had a cold fill connection. I'm not sure about pre W800 and W900 models, but from 1997 onwards Miele's in the UK have been exclusively cold fill only.

Jon

 

[brisnat81]

In AU

The 2 high end models are Hot and Cold Fill.

The low end models are cold fill only.

My W2888 is hot and cold fill

The W2515 and W1511 are both cold fill only.

I can only assume that hot fill is directed to countries that expect faster wash times. A Cottons Wash at 60deg with no options selected, takes between 37 to 42 minutes on the W2888 depending on how the load sensing figures things out. With intensive selected, a small load takes about 1:20, a large load 1:54.

The same cycle on the W2515 takes 44 minutes usually. With intensive it always takes 2:05.

 

[thor]

Thank you Jon for clearing this up. I now realise I am mistaking what I have seen during different trips to London. I have been to London many, many times through the years, and now that I think of it I recall having seen older Mieles with two water valves, mainly at Harrod's. Funny, but the concept just stuck to me and to this day I was sure I had seen this in newer Miele washers. Oh, tricks middle age can do!

Emilio

 

[2drumsallergy]

I'm very pleased

Hi Jon,
I am absolutely delighted with the Navitronic, excellent wash, rinse and spin performance. I have done three loads so far, a load of my white T-shirts, a load of towels and a load of darks and everything has come out perfect, and the towels are soft again too. I am highly impressed with the machines quietness even at top 1800RPM spin it is barely audible. The 1800RPM spin is held for 3 minutes, in fact this is the only machine I have found that can match the Dyson’s excellent spin performance.

Hi Emilio,
You will only find cold fill machines in Europe these days, the UK did favour hot and cold fill for many years but has now gone cold fill only like the rest of Europe. Both my Dyson’s are hot and cold fill, but Dyson washers destined for sale in continental Europe were cold fill only. The idea is that only the water needed is heated within the machine which saves energy also heating from cold helps to remove protein based stains such as blood and egg.

Hi Nathan,
Your cycle times are indeed shorter than European models, is that the norm on Australian front loaders?

David

 

[foraloysius]

David,

That's a wonderful machine! Congratulations! And I'm happy for you that the performance is excellent. My older Miele W715 has a max. speed of 1400rpm which was then the topspeed. It also keeps that speed for 3 minutes. In that way a topspeed is really effective.

Happy washing!

Louis

 

[2drumsallergy]

Spin Performance

Hi Louis,
Yes spin duration is vital to spin performance, although my Dyson’s spin at 1400RPM the large drum diameter and the 6 minutes at top speed make for outstanding spin performance.
I remember the early fast spin Hotpoint's and others that claimed 1400RPM spin speeds but they just peaked at 1400RPM and then stopped, because the claimed spin speed was reached it was legal under The Trade Descriptions Act 1968. Thankfully the EU energy labels put an end to that nonsense.

Hi Jon,
I will try the soak cycle next time, soaking is a highly effective way of removing stains.
David

 

[matchboxpaul]

Hi David

Congratulations on the new machine.

Have never had much experience of Miele machines, but it looks absolutely stunning and I bet the 1800rpm is impressive.

Enjoy your expensive new toy.
Cheers
Paul

 

[brisnat81]

It doesnt seem to be the norm here. Most modern machines seem to run around 50-70 minutes on a normal cycle. I find it quite annoying that it is as quick as it is. I'd like a cottons cycle that runs to about an hour. The intensive option is too long for the soil level of most of my clothes but the normal option is a bit short.

It is a selling point to a degree. Michaels mother crows over her neighbours with their cheaper machine. They replaced a Hoover FL machine from the early 80's and are very dismayed at it now taking 80 mins for a normal cycle. She just keeps reminding them, that if they'd bought a proper machine it could be done in 40 I'm not sure how they keep talking to her.

After years of always adding a third rinse, I've banned water plus and make do with the standard two rinses. There hasnt been any real change in rinsing performance, I just now save another bucket of water per load. I like that the new machines can do a third rinse by default on cycles under 60deg and still use around the same amount of water.

 

[2drumsallergy]

Miele

Hi Paul,
Thank you for your good wishes, yes I'm very impressed with the machine and yes the spin performance is outstanding.

Hi Nathan,
50-70 minutes used to be the norm for most machines sold here in the 1970s - 80s and they always washed well. I like the Express cycle on the Miele its great for a small load of lightly soiled items, most laundry is not really dirty these days.
Two rinses are usually more than adequate especially when the laundry is well spun after the main wash, also if you live in a hard water area it greatly helps with rinsing. I use water plus myself as our water is from the Silent Valley reservoir in the Mourne Mountains, the Mournes are 100% Granite which is a very stable rock and does not leech minerals into the water. Also the high rainfall in Northern Ireland means water is plentiful so deep rinses don't cause any real issues.

David

http://www.mournemountains.com/

 

[robm]

Distribution and stableness

Hi David

That's looks like a beautiful machine, I'm quite jealous.

Given that many makes now take ages to distribute the clothes before spin, how does this machine fair? I know you've had the Insight and own an Aqualtis like me, which tends to take ages to distribute sometimes, how do they compare? Also how would you rate their stability during spin? And also how do they compare on noise?

Sorry for so many questions.

Rob

BTW that's a beautiful part of the world you seem to live in there.

 

[2drumsallergy]

Distribution & Stability

Hi Rob,
Yes the Miele is very good at distributing the load and does not seem bothered if its not perfect, the tub suspension is quite elastic and well able to cope with a less than perfectly balanced load. I would definitely say the Miele is the smoothest and quietest of the three during spin, the Insight and Aqualtis are about the same.
The Electrolux was very good at balancing with no messing about, it was a fantastic machine except for its poor rinsing ability.
I no longer have the Aqualtis as it was returned due to discoloured paintwork. I really liked the Aqualtis and it washed, rinsed and spun brilliantly. The Aqualtis was a bit more fussy about an imbalanced load but not too bad really, it would drop momentarily back to tumble speed and then up to distribution speed again, this would continue till it was satisfied the load was in balance. I would honestly recommend an Aqualtis to anyone they are great machines for the money, and very quiet even during spin. I am surprised your Aqualtis is so fussy maybe Indesit Company have revised the balance algorithm on the latest models, you Aqualtis can be updated with the latest Software but it would have to be done by a Hotpoint Engineer.

David

 

[tomturbomatic]

Funny, I can't think of any time I have had raw egg soil on any item in the laundry; nothing even similar.

David, Congratulations and thanks for sharing. Is this Miele's newest offering in the UK? It looks like it has wonderful features, but the linear readout and the colors on the panel, both the lights and the dark colored border give it a very warm look that makes me think of a radio from the pre war period.

 

[2drumsallergy]

Raw Egg

Hi Tom,
LOL I only mention Egg as it is very good for explaining set in stains as Egg setts almost instantly when exposed to hot water.

The Miele W3985WPS Navitronic is their current top of the line model, it has their fastest spin at 1800RPM.

Yes it does look a bit like an old radio; I used to have a 1940s radio by Pye Radio Limited London, unfortunately the cabinet was eaten away by woodworm and the poor thing fell apart. The sound quality of that radio was amazing, warmer and purer than any modern electronics can produce.

David