Mile 1215 worth it in the end? Hello new W1

[uncledave]

I say goodbye to my old friend the Miele W1215 and make room for a new W1.

I have mixed emotions about this.

I did NOT get 20 years out of the unit, it's leaving not quite at just under 14 years so significantly less.
I DID get approx 11K cycles out of it or approx 11K hours of use.

I had it serviced at 10,250 cycles a while back and its developed a mystery spin problem along with a torn boot and I'm just not going to invest any more service in a platform with so many spin cycles on it.

If it were a car driving at 60 MPH that'd be 660,000 Miles - a lot of miles to be certain.

It laundered a family of 4 w 2 teenage boys, 3 beds, 3 dogs and their bedding, towels for the pool, and a sanitize load per day for 5 years for my wife's pet grooming business - it had a hard hard life.

Good bye old friend.....

Uncle Dave

 

[richnz]

Don't throw it out so quickly

20 years with 365 days with 1 x 1 hour cycle of washing. 11K hours seems pretty good.
With your household needs it seems very good (perhaps excellent?)
But don't throw that baby away just yet.

I have a W1 (WKB130) and it lasted 1 week. I found the cycles are too long and it only seemed to shave 10 minutes when it was in the mood.

I hope you have more joy with your machine and the programming is more suited to your laundering time-frames.

 

[uncledave]

Already gone.

I'm happy to see some capabilities and bummed others seem to be gone. I knew with only 110V and like 20 amps I wouldn't be getting really hot water really fast.

Just spinning full speed will speed up my whole scenario dramatically- I was coming out of the washer with a full load of wet towels nightly that were taking 2.5 hours to dry.

The machine was also adding a rinse mysteriously every "x" wash pushing out the wash times to about 1:20

UD

 

[richimaor]

W1

I’ll be thrilled to hear about the performance of the 110V Miele!

 

[henene4]

Miele machines were always designed for about 10k hours of operation since the 90s, so you did get out of it what it was supposed to do.

Your issues were clearly "just" the shock absorbers.
The spin issue is a balancing issue, the torn boot is from the tub swinging to much and the "randomly" added rinse was executed when ever the interim spins couldn't be executed properly.

The W1 will be a capable machine with better wash and rinse performance then this machine. Hope you got one with the PowerWash 2.0 system.
Proper dosing and using the programming functions will be your friend!

 

[uncledave]

Hello Henene4.

I don't feel I got gypped, some might calculate that Im not really saving much, but I value the performance.
My pw6065 is supposed to be more industrial and last to 15K but well see about that.

It wasn't the shock absorbers, as all were replaced approx 700 cycles ago, as were the carbon brushes.
Perhaps I should have replaced the springs as well??

The torn boot was from a shoe that ripped the lip off the top- it was still sealing, but underneath the torn "lip" was an aggressive surface (stiff ribs) that quickly took out anything that rubbed against it.

The logic had begun randomly adding rinses as well.

It was simply time.

So far the W1 has had 7 or 8 loads through it already and it's been a gem- more aggressive in the washing a more aggressive ladle set in the drum. Ive run mostly twindos and so far I like it.

The detergent tray is a bit different with a "liquid" insert in what was the powder tray, I removed for the persil powder I have 100's of "Waschen" left that I really like.

UD

 

[uncledave]

Henenen - Yes I believe I have the power wash 2.0 -that the secondary recirculator and filter right?
(Miele has an excellent filter)

W1 - Im awaiting delivery of the plinth which is a few weeks out so I reassembled the area and started at it the laundry right away. .

Old unit was really quiet.
The new machine is even quieter.

I found what I needed in terms of matching my old 1215 - " Normal +Hot(60C)+Max Spin=59 min".
W1 Quickintense + Hot+=59 min.

Note the new definitions - old "hot" was 60C. Which is now defined as "HOT+"

That said

The machine is equal or FASTER in my daily 60C wash than the 220V machine ( ?!??! shouldn't be but it is)
while having better balance logic in the spin, a more aggressive wash, and the recirculation pump.

Its a better washer, the higher speed powerwash agitates more than the older machine did in its limited range of fixed speeds.

So far I'm pretty damm impressed.

Note suitcase full of laundry the "adult" offspring units show up with every Saturday.
They are more than happy to avoid the 4.00 per cycle (4 wash +4 dry x 4 loads a week) + soap charge to do it at their apartment and slowly end the life of my machines.....remaining firmly clamped onto the teat of the parental hardware, water, energy, and soap for what must be the worlds longest duration.

I digress-

TWiNDOS currently set at 22 ML phase 1 and 15 Ml phase 2.
End up with just a few suds in the wash and rise.

Perhaps unsurprisingly the oxygen bleach works (which is why we use sodium percarbonate at times) produces very slightly crisper whites than white Persil alone. It's a nice feature that isn't marketing hype.

Its a bit Kafkaesque to have to override twindos every time you want to use regular soap but retaining the powder, handling, (while improving the liquid dosing drawer) had to "default" some standard - and unsurprisingly they made Twindos the default. Thats said it works great and is dead easy to use.

I/we likes the Twindos smell - I was worried about that.

UD

 

[littlegreeny]

Congratulations!

That's a wonderful machine. If you want, you can change it to display the actual temp and spin speed. Just turn the program knob to "More Programs", then scroll to "Settings", then to "Unit" to change it.

 

[uncledave]

Thanks, I'll check that out

I pretty much just check up using the app now through the phone- bit of a pain setting it up but finally got it.

Thrilled with it so far.

In retrospect, I don't think 1215 had much if any balance logic.

This machine had a tricky 2 large rug load and spent 3-4 minutes before getting the balance just right

UD

 

[jerrod6]

I think you can change the words 'Hot" "Warm" in the display to the actual temperature numbers. Check the user manual under settings. I think you can also change the spin speed words to numbers like the previous models too.

 

[uncledave]

Thanks, Jerrod, I'm having a bit of trouble finding that, but it's not really a big deal.

Ok so this thing is pretty awesome -

I've had it filled to the brim twice now with 17.5 pounds of rugs, 17.5 pounds of mixed towels plus 2 full-size cotton chaise lounge covers (i put a basket on the bathroom scale) and each time it found really good balance and spun up to full RPM.

One time it took 4 minutes extra to balance itself - which I vastly prefer to an abort or slow speed spin giving me hours in the dryer.

Even at its own relative max weight, my 1215 got flummoxed by the same mix of large and small items failing to reach full RPM spin quite often in its latter days.

It rightfully used some water - 78 Litres per cycle -but the final rinse was super clear.
I've seen some cycles use VERY little water 13L in some modes, but Ive got all kinds of adjustability to tweak whatever I want vs the 1215's limited programmability.

Ive now cut 4 loads down to 2 and shaved tons of time and energy from my drying cycles.

 

[henene4]

Page 87

Of this manual (Unit setting):

https://www.mieleusa.com/pmedia/ZGA/TX2070/11009340-000-00_11009340-00.pdf

 

[dbv]

Congrats on your purchase. We are also looking at the W1/T1 and there are few reviews on it so far in the US, so glad to have found your input. Curious on how the vibration is at high speed? Did you consider the pedestals or is it acceptable at the level it is at.

Are Miele T9822 gas dryer went bad and no parts are available, so time for a new set. Somewhat, nervous about buying a heat pump dryer and hoping that it will not take too much longer than our gas dryer was to dry the clothes. Thanks!

 

[combo52]

Hi D, The HP dryer will take 2-3 times as long as the gas dryer did, and cost a little more to run as well, your clothing will also wear a little more with all those extra HOURS in a dryer.

 

What part does your Miele gas dryer need?, for such an expensive product it is really amazing that they won't back it up, one could just buy a Samsung or LG if they wanted this kind of crappy support.

 

John L.

 

[uncledave]

DBV- Its sitting on a pedestal now and still super smooth.
Smoother than my 1215 even with loads it could never balance.

Would i buy again at this stage - yes absolutely.
I really like the twindos so far, and at 20 ML per dose Im getting way longer than I though- 75 vs 35 loads for about 20 bones. The oxygen bleach phase 2 works better than a big dump of oxy powder. in places

They took some money out of it - the top is cheaper, the door is cheaper,
The enamel is great, the drum is great and the selector know and panel feel great.

The settings are a bit arcane from what was straightforward but overly simplified 1215
Arcane in that the weight limit varies dramatically from load to load, some setting don't have full temp or spin ranges - but I found what I needed that was close enough to be happy.

The control app is kind of 1.0- not much more than a status indicator of where the machine is in a given load and what the parameters are.I wish it had some ability to cumulatively track KWH and water usage - it can read these in real time, but not store them.

Happy i don't need a new dryer yet - my 220V 1405T works just great.

UD

 

[henene4]

The HP dryer would take about 2h max for 17.5 pound load spun at 1600rpm, be much more gentle and FAR more efficent (not more then 1.5kWh for such a load, approx).

Yeah, some cycles are really weired, but the QuickIntense wash (that is called QuickPowerWash else where) should be fine for most of anything day to day.

Play around with the settings. If you ever use the SingleWash feature I'd be super happy to hear your review and description of how that works.

 

[dbv]

The washer seems great, but the HP dryer seems like it might be a no go if dry times are that much longer than the gas dryer. We rarely wash big loads, like with towels, maybe up to a combination of 7 at a time, which would be bath, hand, etc.... Not sure why Miele would not have just made a normal gas dryer too.

I found this site in the UK that reviewed the dryer, at least it look similar to what is available in the US.

Miele TMG440WP Review

Miele TMG440WP review: You want a money-no-object tumble dryer for the best results? You've come to the right place.

www.trustedreviews.com

 

[henene4]

Those are EU platform machines. There are VERRY few gas dryers in the EU, and Miele will not make the same mistake again and try to make an exclusive design for a new market.

Cycle times are highly dependent, but more then 90min is rare. But a vented dryer will be quicker.

 

[uncledave]

The pedestal arrived yesterday and I had to fiddle with the feet and position so the drawer would clear the lip and door opening - took a while but shes leveled and ready - probably time to peel off the twindos sticker.

Henene - Quick intense wash doesn't let me use cold water it only goes down to warm+.
For my preference thats too warm for dark clothes which I usually wash on cold or 20.

The dark/denim load lets me go to cold but maxes out at 1400 RPM spin

for darks, I typically use the normal/cold/max setting which results in a 1:20 wash cycle.

It would be nice to find a 1-hour mode with the temp and spin flexibility.

Ive used the singles modes a couple times now to good success but didn't sit in front of the machine to see exactly how the standard mode got chopped down.

UD