I would like to buy my Mom a Kitchenaid mixer for Christmas, but I'm not sure which is the best value. What is the difference between "Artisan" and "Classic" (Besides cost, of course)
Modern Kitchenaid Mixers
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Try this link
Hopefully this link will work. It compares the 2 mixers side by side.
I have the Pro 5 Bowl Lift Stnad Mixer and I love it. I just prefer it over the tilt head design. I got my as a refurb on Amazon and it has worked amazing for the past 3 years.
http://www.kitchenaid.com/catalog/product_comparison.jsp?categoryId=310&productId=347,349
Hopefully this link will work. It compares the 2 mixers side by side.
I have the Pro 5 Bowl Lift Stnad Mixer and I love it. I just prefer it over the tilt head design. I got my as a refurb on Amazon and it has worked amazing for the past 3 years.
http://www.kitchenaid.com/catalog/product_comparison.jsp?categoryId=310&productId=347,349
Dan, are you set on a KA?
Pete, my mom saw my Hobart-era KA mixer at Thanksgiving, and thought it was really cool, so I'm somewhat stuck.
launderess
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If she saw a Hobart KitchenAid mixer, she *may* be some what let down by today's models. Cannot say from personal experience, but over in several baking groups I'm a member of, there were many complaints and out right cursing of the newest KA mixers. IIRC, compaints ran the gamut from "cheap" gears to lack luster power (such as the thing giving out or even buring up when doing a simple cookie dough).
Really a shame you cannot land a MIB Hobart KA mixer for your mother. They are so rare and the last time one was on eBay it went for close to or over one thousand dollars (yes, for a mixer folks). Then again this was a late model truly untouched MIB Hobart KA mixer.
L.
Really a shame you cannot land a MIB Hobart KA mixer for your mother. They are so rare and the last time one was on eBay it went for close to or over one thousand dollars (yes, for a mixer folks). Then again this was a late model truly untouched MIB Hobart KA mixer.
L.
sudsmaster
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Dan,
Things to look for: all metal gears, a motor overload/reset button or feature.
I also prefer the bowl lift design to the head tilt design. I just think it's a sturdier design. You can get pretty good deals on 5 qt "professional" grade KA mixers. These have 475 watt motors and all-steel gears. The second is important because lesser KA mixers might have plastic gears that can strip out and then cost a small fortune to replace. Apparently in some cases they would strip out just mixing bread dough. The ones with metal gears should also have a "reset" feature, either on the speed control or a separate reset button. This is important to protect the motor in case the mixer jams on something. Instead of burning out the motor, or stripping the gears, the reset feature will sense a motor overload and stop the power to the motor.
I've been seeing the 5 qt professional model at Costco for about $260. That's a very good price for such a powerful and versatile mixer. And it comes in some pretty nice colors. The matte finish platinum is particularly fine. You might also want to look into getting her an accessory set - which operates off the power takeoff on the front of the mixer, and which may include a shredder/slicer, a meat grinder, a pasta maker. Other nice accessories might include a grain mill, a juicer (citrus type), a food mill.
Of course, if your mom prefers the tilt-head, by all means go with that. The tilt-heads are generally less powerful, with less capacity, and have lower prices as well (although I've seen stores like Macy's carry everyday prices for tilt-heads that are more than what Costco charges for a bowl-lift model!
Things to look for: all metal gears, a motor overload/reset button or feature.
I also prefer the bowl lift design to the head tilt design. I just think it's a sturdier design. You can get pretty good deals on 5 qt "professional" grade KA mixers. These have 475 watt motors and all-steel gears. The second is important because lesser KA mixers might have plastic gears that can strip out and then cost a small fortune to replace. Apparently in some cases they would strip out just mixing bread dough. The ones with metal gears should also have a "reset" feature, either on the speed control or a separate reset button. This is important to protect the motor in case the mixer jams on something. Instead of burning out the motor, or stripping the gears, the reset feature will sense a motor overload and stop the power to the motor.
I've been seeing the 5 qt professional model at Costco for about $260. That's a very good price for such a powerful and versatile mixer. And it comes in some pretty nice colors. The matte finish platinum is particularly fine. You might also want to look into getting her an accessory set - which operates off the power takeoff on the front of the mixer, and which may include a shredder/slicer, a meat grinder, a pasta maker. Other nice accessories might include a grain mill, a juicer (citrus type), a food mill.
Of course, if your mom prefers the tilt-head, by all means go with that. The tilt-heads are generally less powerful, with less capacity, and have lower prices as well (although I've seen stores like Macy's carry everyday prices for tilt-heads that are more than what Costco charges for a bowl-lift model!
maytagbear
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The food mill attachment
is such a nice thing. I have used it, but don't have it.
I have a Hobart made K45, and I love it.
If I were buying new, and had the money, I would get the Hobart N-50,(?) a small commercial mixer. Cooks Illustrated loved it, but it is over 900. USD.
Lawrence/Maytagbear
is such a nice thing. I have used it, but don't have it.
I have a Hobart made K45, and I love it.
If I were buying new, and had the money, I would get the Hobart N-50,(?) a small commercial mixer. Cooks Illustrated loved it, but it is over 900. USD.
Lawrence/Maytagbear
jasonl
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I have a pink KA mixer from 2006 that Helen has made lots of cookies on it and not a lick of trouble. They're still built good.
hoover1060
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I have the Ultra power
replaced by the Artisan series. Good mixer, serves me very well.
One thing to consider is the bowl, mine has the handle on it and it makes moving a heavy mixture from bowl to pan pretty easy. I know some classic models don't have the handle on the bowl.
I would say match the machine to the amount of baking your mom does. If its occasional cakes and cookies and mashed potatoes, a Classic model will serve her well. It she's a serious baker, then one of the heavier duty models would be better. Also something to consider is where the mixer will live. If on the counter is ok for a KA, always at the ready. However hefting one of those beasts out of the cupboard each time you want to use it can get to be a P.I.T.A.
I also have a Hobart KA, model 4C. Amazing machine, and its been the mixer I reach for since it arrived in my kitchen. I think the only time I have used my Ultra Power since was to make dumpling dough, and that was because the 4C does not have a dough hook!
replaced by the Artisan series. Good mixer, serves me very well.
One thing to consider is the bowl, mine has the handle on it and it makes moving a heavy mixture from bowl to pan pretty easy. I know some classic models don't have the handle on the bowl.
I would say match the machine to the amount of baking your mom does. If its occasional cakes and cookies and mashed potatoes, a Classic model will serve her well. It she's a serious baker, then one of the heavier duty models would be better. Also something to consider is where the mixer will live. If on the counter is ok for a KA, always at the ready. However hefting one of those beasts out of the cupboard each time you want to use it can get to be a P.I.T.A.
I also have a Hobart KA, model 4C. Amazing machine, and its been the mixer I reach for since it arrived in my kitchen. I think the only time I have used my Ultra Power since was to make dumpling dough, and that was because the 4C does not have a dough hook!
I have a Classic, several years old but hasn't seen much use. I do wish the bowl was a little larger to help prevent spattering. I have a pouring shield, but it's cumbersome.
The funny thing is....
My mom is about as much of a baker as I am an Otolaryngologist. And I really don't think she's going to be starting a new career at this phase in her life.
With that said, she does do a fair amount of cooking and baking for the St. Francis Homeless Shelter, so it needs to be fairly dependable.
Maybe a trip to Costco is in order. Luckily, they finally have one in Omaha now. I wouldn't want to have to ship one from here.
My mom is about as much of a baker as I am an Otolaryngologist. And I really don't think she's going to be starting a new career at this phase in her life.
With that said, she does do a fair amount of cooking and baking for the St. Francis Homeless Shelter, so it needs to be fairly dependable.
Maybe a trip to Costco is in order. Luckily, they finally have one in Omaha now. I wouldn't want to have to ship one from here.
I've had an "Ultra" for about 15 years and have had good service from it. My mother bought a Classic two years ago and I was shocked to see no handle on the bowl - we bought one with a handle for hers and she likes it much better, plus, there's another bowl if you need it. I haven't shopped Costco for mixers, but have been impressed with the store so far. If you're coming back during the holidays, let me know - we'll have a wash-in!
launderess
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Speaking of Built Like Tanks
Even has a "tank" color
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320190856621&indexURL=1#ebayphotohosting
Even has a "tank" color
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320190856621&indexURL=1#ebayphotohosting
launderess
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Regarding KitchenAid Problems
Complaints were from a few years back when KA switched production/desgin, perhaps Kitchenaid heard the complaints and made changes?
As pour moi, still prefer my Kenwood or Bosch mixer over KA, but that is just me. Each has their own strengths, in general however prefer the Kenwood for batters, cookie doughs and such, and the Kenwood for bread, pastry and heavy doughs.
One thing I would want the KA for is to use the copper bowl for whipping egg whites.
L.
Complaints were from a few years back when KA switched production/desgin, perhaps Kitchenaid heard the complaints and made changes?
As pour moi, still prefer my Kenwood or Bosch mixer over KA, but that is just me. Each has their own strengths, in general however prefer the Kenwood for batters, cookie doughs and such, and the Kenwood for bread, pastry and heavy doughs.
One thing I would want the KA for is to use the copper bowl for whipping egg whites.
L.
Speaking of KitchenAids!
But! Remember there's a height difference between the models! Is there enough space on the counter for the taller height Pro series? My counter to upper cabinet height is too short for my lift bowl Pro series. So I use my older power plus machine more. I also think it does a better job on smaller quantities than the bigger machine. I also have a 7 qt Kenwood, but no handle on the bowl makes it awkward and besides, it's loud! Still fun when I need it.
My thoughts this holiday season!
Greg Bushman
Luxflairgy-Seattle
But! Remember there's a height difference between the models! Is there enough space on the counter for the taller height Pro series? My counter to upper cabinet height is too short for my lift bowl Pro series. So I use my older power plus machine more. I also think it does a better job on smaller quantities than the bigger machine. I also have a 7 qt Kenwood, but no handle on the bowl makes it awkward and besides, it's loud! Still fun when I need it.
My thoughts this holiday season!
Greg Bushman
Luxflairgy-Seattle
I have an Ultra Power tilt head that's about 20 years old and no problems. My sister has my mom's old Hobart K45. It was making a screeching noise so my dad went out and got a new Classic model for my mom. An inferior non-Hobart machine but it has served my mom well and she's an avid baker. A little WD-40 on a spindle quieted the Hobart one down and my sister has been using it for years since. I sure would like to get my hands on that one again.
As has been stated, the Classic model has a cheaper spun-finish bowl that has no handle so that's something to consider.
I saw that Fry's Electronics had a Professional lift-head type on sale, 575 watts, factory refurbished, $169 after rebate. I'm tempted to go for one of these if their design makes adding ingredients to the bowl easier. My partner says the pouring shield on the Ultra Power is a hassle to use. Then again, my mom swore by hers.
As has been stated, the Classic model has a cheaper spun-finish bowl that has no handle so that's something to consider.
I saw that Fry's Electronics had a Professional lift-head type on sale, 575 watts, factory refurbished, $169 after rebate. I'm tempted to go for one of these if their design makes adding ingredients to the bowl easier. My partner says the pouring shield on the Ultra Power is a hassle to use. Then again, my mom swore by hers.
wmlask
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The Real Hobart Mixer
This is terribly expensive but truly heavy duty. My friend Joe is a pastry chef and has 2 of these Hobarts and would die without them. He EBAYED his Kenwood when he got the first one. It has an induction type motor and is unstoppable.
I've got two 5 Quart Kitchen Aid mixers, one is cobalt blue from the late 80's with a 325 watt motor. The other is a black Proline from the early 90's with a 350 watt motor. Both have seen tons of use and have been trouble free.
For light duty stuff like cakes and frosting I still prefer my old Sunbeams. Models, 10,11 or 12.
http://www.hobartlink.com/hobartg5/pr/n50.nsf/pages/features
This is terribly expensive but truly heavy duty. My friend Joe is a pastry chef and has 2 of these Hobarts and would die without them. He EBAYED his Kenwood when he got the first one. It has an induction type motor and is unstoppable.
I've got two 5 Quart Kitchen Aid mixers, one is cobalt blue from the late 80's with a 325 watt motor. The other is a black Proline from the early 90's with a 350 watt motor. Both have seen tons of use and have been trouble free.
For light duty stuff like cakes and frosting I still prefer my old Sunbeams. Models, 10,11 or 12.
http://www.hobartlink.com/hobartg5/pr/n50.nsf/pages/features
vacuumfreeeke
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I have...
I have a KA Classic that I bought for 30 dollars from a lady that was a waiteress at the restaurant where I worked when I was 16 or 17. I'm 24 now and I've used that thing once or twice a week with no trouble. The beater seems a little out of adjustment and I just can't get it right... and the motor had a different pitch than I think a new one would. Maybe it's on the way out. I've made bread (yes in the Classic!), brownies, all kinds of cookies, cheesecake, whipped egg whites, more pumpkin pies than I care to remember. It's been good for me, and I do hope it lasts a while longer. If it doesn't I'm not sure I'd replace it with another Kitchen Aid after some of the stories I've heard. I might seek an OLD Mixmaster (60's or so, before they started "squaring" them off). If I did get another Kitchen Aid, it would probably be the Artisan (don't like the bowl lift models) in red.
Anyone have any tips for getting the beater/bowl aligned properly? I made a lemon meringue pie yesterday and the whip was "tinging" a bit. Today I made an Oreo Cheesecake and I think I heard the beater hitting the bowl. I can never seem to get the perfect balance, and yes I've read the manual. When I got the mixer, the acrylic coating on the apex of the flat beater was already worn off. I've used it like that over the years and it's worked fine... just doesn't look great. For 30 bucks, I didn't complain!
Also, don't put the flat beater in the dishwasher. When I got a dishwasher, I did this and now if I don't oil the shaft every now and then, it sticks. I have to bang it off with a meat mallet (just hit straight up toward the shaft on the apex of the beater).
I have a KA Classic that I bought for 30 dollars from a lady that was a waiteress at the restaurant where I worked when I was 16 or 17. I'm 24 now and I've used that thing once or twice a week with no trouble. The beater seems a little out of adjustment and I just can't get it right... and the motor had a different pitch than I think a new one would. Maybe it's on the way out. I've made bread (yes in the Classic!), brownies, all kinds of cookies, cheesecake, whipped egg whites, more pumpkin pies than I care to remember. It's been good for me, and I do hope it lasts a while longer. If it doesn't I'm not sure I'd replace it with another Kitchen Aid after some of the stories I've heard. I might seek an OLD Mixmaster (60's or so, before they started "squaring" them off). If I did get another Kitchen Aid, it would probably be the Artisan (don't like the bowl lift models) in red.
Anyone have any tips for getting the beater/bowl aligned properly? I made a lemon meringue pie yesterday and the whip was "tinging" a bit. Today I made an Oreo Cheesecake and I think I heard the beater hitting the bowl. I can never seem to get the perfect balance, and yes I've read the manual. When I got the mixer, the acrylic coating on the apex of the flat beater was already worn off. I've used it like that over the years and it's worked fine... just doesn't look great. For 30 bucks, I didn't complain!
Also, don't put the flat beater in the dishwasher. When I got a dishwasher, I did this and now if I don't oil the shaft every now and then, it sticks. I have to bang it off with a meat mallet (just hit straight up toward the shaft on the apex of the beater).
I have a 10-year old K5SS and it's a workhorse! I also prefer the manual lift-head models to the tilt-back models, mainly for their sturdiness and power. If your Mom doesn't plan to use her mixer for a lot of large, heavy-duty jobs, she may prefer the tilt-back model, as it's more convenient to use. Otherwise, go for the bigger guns.
Unlike Vacuumfreeeke's experience, I've been putting all the beaters/dough hooks/whisks in the dishwasher for a decade without a problem.
If your Mom cooks a lot, an extra bowl and flat beater would be a great accessory gift. I have three bowls and 3 beaters for mine. They come in handy when making several items; you don't have to stop and wash everything.
Unlike Vacuumfreeeke's experience, I've been putting all the beaters/dough hooks/whisks in the dishwasher for a decade without a problem.
If your Mom cooks a lot, an extra bowl and flat beater would be a great accessory gift. I have three bowls and 3 beaters for mine. They come in handy when making several items; you don't have to stop and wash everything.
sudsmaster
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I think the biggest complaint about KA's was that at some point they started putting in plastic gears instead of metal ones. I guess this was cheaper, because with plastic gears you don't need a motor overload/reset button. Just let the gears strip out, lol.
I bought, and returned, a couple of 5 qt. KA lift bowl mixers to Costco when I found out they had plastic instead of metal gears. The last one I got I kept, it's a 6 qt 475 watt "Epicurean" with metal gears and a crinkle gray finish. Looks very industrial, which I like. It has a reset setting on the speed control. It is, however, big and heavy, so it spends all its time on a counter by the cooktop where the cabinets are high off the counter top. I've used it for such things as whipping cream, eggwhites, and making Tuxedo brownies. In the patio kitchen, I have the Sunbeam Mixmaster (model 9, I think). Haven't used it yet, but lubed the gears and other points, cleaned the beaters, so it's all ready. It looks like it belongs on the retro countertop.
I haven't checked carefully, but it seems to me that the tilt-head KA models are almost as tall as the lift bowl ones. Does anyone have exact measurements of the heights of the various models?
I bought, and returned, a couple of 5 qt. KA lift bowl mixers to Costco when I found out they had plastic instead of metal gears. The last one I got I kept, it's a 6 qt 475 watt "Epicurean" with metal gears and a crinkle gray finish. Looks very industrial, which I like. It has a reset setting on the speed control. It is, however, big and heavy, so it spends all its time on a counter by the cooktop where the cabinets are high off the counter top. I've used it for such things as whipping cream, eggwhites, and making Tuxedo brownies. In the patio kitchen, I have the Sunbeam Mixmaster (model 9, I think). Haven't used it yet, but lubed the gears and other points, cleaned the beaters, so it's all ready. It looks like it belongs on the retro countertop.
I haven't checked carefully, but it seems to me that the tilt-head KA models are almost as tall as the lift bowl ones. Does anyone have exact measurements of the heights of the various models?
Rich, do you notice a louder operating sound when your Epicurean is running? I have a friend that worked for Williams-Sonoma for a long time and took a number of those machines back from customers that complained of them being very loud. Although they thought something was wrong when compared with their previous models, the store staff tried to reassure them that the noise was normal and because of the all-metal gearing, there would be more noise. Many were undeterred and got their money back. I'm not sure what they did with the used returns, that would have been a good question to ask ;-)
Dan, perhaps Mom would like one of these - nickel or copper plated models from Williams-Sonoma. They are a bit spendy at $899, but there is a $50 rebate right now... They are sexy looking!
http://www.williams-sonoma.com/products/e127/index.cfm?pkey=celtmxai
Dan, perhaps Mom would like one of these - nickel or copper plated models from Williams-Sonoma. They are a bit spendy at $899, but there is a $50 rebate right now... They are sexy looking!
http://www.williams-sonoma.com/products/e127/index.cfm?pkey=celtmxai
sudsmaster
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Gregg,
That might explain things. Costco being Costco, with no question asked returns, I bought and brought home two Epicureans. My reason was that I wasn't sure which color I liked better. But when I ran both of them, the gray one was much quieter so that's the one I kept. It just happened to be the color I preferred as well (I think the other one was gloss black). I have never noticed since then that it's excessively noisy. Haven't done a side-by-side comparison, but my impression is that it's no louder than the old Mixmaster I picked up a couple of months ago.
That might explain things. Costco being Costco, with no question asked returns, I bought and brought home two Epicureans. My reason was that I wasn't sure which color I liked better. But when I ran both of them, the gray one was much quieter so that's the one I kept. It just happened to be the color I preferred as well (I think the other one was gloss black). I have never noticed since then that it's excessively noisy. Haven't done a side-by-side comparison, but my impression is that it's no louder than the old Mixmaster I picked up a couple of months ago.
$899 for a mixer?
Greg, that's practically a mortgage payment! For $899 it would have to do a lot more than just mix stuff ;-)
(But they are very sexy looking. I will grant you that.)
Rich, I think Costco got their liberal return policy from Nordstrom. They're both hometown stores here, after all. Although Costco is much more fun, and immensely more affordable.
Greg, that's practically a mortgage payment! For $899 it would have to do a lot more than just mix stuff ;-)
(But they are very sexy looking. I will grant you that.)
Rich, I think Costco got their liberal return policy from Nordstrom. They're both hometown stores here, after all. Although Costco is much more fun, and immensely more affordable.
Well as much as I love all things vintagey and somehow have managed to amass a mass of mixers I unequivocably stand by the Bosch Universal being a far superior machine in every single way for about the same price as a mid priced KA. It will knead larger amounts of bread or mix more heavy cookie doughs and won't struggle one iota and it does it without making any loud noise. It kneads dough much more thoroughly than the planetary action which means that the dough only requires one rising, not the customary two. It only weighs about 11 pounds with the bowl attached so absolutely anyone, old moms included, can easily lift it up and put it away down in the cupboard or up on a shelf.
Thing is, most people are not familiar with them, most having never seen one that when they do see a picture etc they don't equate it with being a heavy duty mixer a la KA or Kenwood, figuring it's just a "food processor" not heavy duty. Or they don't want to chance spending that much money on the unknown factor.
On top of that it is much simpler to use, no fussy tilt heads or bowl lifts because there isn't anything over top of the bowl, it's all driven from below. Low center of gravity, lighter weight, easy to add ingredients, bigger capacity, vastly quieter. What's not to love. I should be selling them LOL
Thing is, most people are not familiar with them, most having never seen one that when they do see a picture etc they don't equate it with being a heavy duty mixer a la KA or Kenwood, figuring it's just a "food processor" not heavy duty. Or they don't want to chance spending that much money on the unknown factor.
On top of that it is much simpler to use, no fussy tilt heads or bowl lifts because there isn't anything over top of the bowl, it's all driven from below. Low center of gravity, lighter weight, easy to add ingredients, bigger capacity, vastly quieter. What's not to love. I should be selling them LOL
launderess
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Amen To Dat!
Bosch mixers hands down are streets ahead of KA and yes even Kenwood when it comes to mixing doughs, especially large amounts of heavy doughs. Love my Kenwood mixer, but as previously stated, when doing bread doughs, especially say pure whole wheat dough enough for several loaves, the Bosch wins hands down.
The dough hook/kneading action is as PeteK says, very different than either a Kenwood or KA, and quite aggressive, IMHO, which is what it should be to really "beat up" a dough to develop gluten. Would always take a bread dough out of my Kenwood and give it some finishing up kneading by hand, however there is no need for that with the Bosch.
Bosch mixers are really big in Utah for some reason. Hate to sterotype, but perhaps all those Mormon housewives doing all that baking/cooking?
L.
Bosch mixers hands down are streets ahead of KA and yes even Kenwood when it comes to mixing doughs, especially large amounts of heavy doughs. Love my Kenwood mixer, but as previously stated, when doing bread doughs, especially say pure whole wheat dough enough for several loaves, the Bosch wins hands down.
The dough hook/kneading action is as PeteK says, very different than either a Kenwood or KA, and quite aggressive, IMHO, which is what it should be to really "beat up" a dough to develop gluten. Would always take a bread dough out of my Kenwood and give it some finishing up kneading by hand, however there is no need for that with the Bosch.
Bosch mixers are really big in Utah for some reason. Hate to sterotype, but perhaps all those Mormon housewives doing all that baking/cooking?
L.
metal or plastic?
I have a KA Pro 6 qt. stand mixer. Does that one have plastic or metal gears?
I have a KA Pro 6 qt. stand mixer. Does that one have plastic or metal gears?
Yeah, I'd like to know which models have plastic and which don't. I don't want to run out and buy a K5 Professional if it's going to have plastic gears. I guess it's a good idea to keep an eye out for old Hobart ones at garage/estate sales etc rather than buying new. Meanwhile the Ultra Power is serving our needs.
sudsmaster
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Well, over the past few years, the models with metal gears state that on the outside of the box. If the box doesn't say "all metal gears" then it may have plastic gears. If you jot down the model number and call KA they also will tell you.
The Professional models, I believe, have always had all metal gears. It's been the Heavy Duty models that sometimes have had plastic gears. Also, if the mixer has a reset button or reset setting on the speed control, that may be good indication it has metal gears. But I would still call if in doubt.
The Professional models, I believe, have always had all metal gears. It's been the Heavy Duty models that sometimes have had plastic gears. Also, if the mixer has a reset button or reset setting on the speed control, that may be good indication it has metal gears. But I would still call if in doubt.
After reading the entries in this KA section-will have to see in more detail on the Two KA machines I have-I have one older "Classic" type model with the bowel lift-and a newer one.The older machine does have a rest position on the speed control lever.Don't think the newer one does.I now like the Kenwood machine better.These have reset buttons on the motor when the mix head is lifted from the bowel.Also I don't like the bare metal beaters on the new KA machine.The older one had coated beaters.The Kenwood beater blades are coated.Much easier to clean.And the coated ones can go into the dishwasher-the bare ones can't.
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