Hello everybody. I am sick of the so called HE washers and dryers. They mold and mildew quickly! They will shake out of control and destroy themselves! They will ruin your clothes! The dryers don't dry! They are nothing more than irons with tumblers! LG and Samsung have no business making washers and dryers! Forget washing smelly sweaty gym clothes! They are the worst washers and dryers I have ever seen! If you want a real washer and dryer get a speed queen!
modern washers and dryers rant
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Stupid electronics!
The electronics will fail! They use so little water to clean anything! Who owns them? China?
The electronics will fail! They use so little water to clean anything! Who owns them? China?
cfz2882
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HE washers...
Hehe,will se what happens when I have my whirlpool cabrio fixed-it's an HE washplate type top load that many reviews saw is a pretty bad washer
some say it is great though... will see once repair done and it is in use
Hehe,will se what happens when I have my whirlpool cabrio fixed-it's an HE washplate type top load that many reviews saw is a pretty bad washer
some say it is great though... will see once repair done and it is in use 
Solution:
Psssssttttt! Go Vintage...
-- Dave
Psssssttttt! Go Vintage...
-- Dave
I completely agree!
I absolutely agree with you! LG and Samsung have no business making washers and dryers!
I absolutely agree with you! LG and Samsung have no business making washers and dryers!
joeypete
Well-known member
I just bought a nice near mint set of GE Filter Flo's mostly because I've always wanted them! I have to agree that a lot of new washers have questionable reliability. Having used my Kenmore 28102 (Cabrio) for several months, I can def attest to it's cleaning performance. Granted not all of the HE's clean as well as this one...but I have no complaints and no regrets in buying it. There are plenty of older appliances with electronics that continue to chug along for years, but I get leary of them myself. That's why I picked the Hydrowave, because it has minimal electronics.
Unfortunately like I've said before, most people don't want an old appliance. Really it's been like that for decades. Housewives in the 1970's didn't want to use a washer from the 50's...they wanted a nice new Lady Kenmore ;-) Products have changed but consumer buying habits really haven't.
Unfortunately like I've said before, most people don't want an old appliance. Really it's been like that for decades. Housewives in the 1970's didn't want to use a washer from the 50's...they wanted a nice new Lady Kenmore ;-) Products have changed but consumer buying habits really haven't.
lg and samsung
LG and Samsung have no business making washers and dryers! They fail from a few months to a few years! They will always destroy themselves! They are the worst washers and dryers I have ever seen!
LG and Samsung have no business making washers and dryers! They fail from a few months to a few years! They will always destroy themselves! They are the worst washers and dryers I have ever seen!
Hey GELaundry4ever,
I wish I could be more diplomatic here, but you're basically repeating the same rant over and over again without really proposing any solutions. It's not even all that constructive.
I understand that HE washing is still in its infancy and the engineers are chewing on some serious issues as a result of consumer complaints.
So, let's stand back a bit and be more constructive, shall we?
Regarding the mold and mildew issue. A lot of this is due to user error. Mainly a front loading issue, Americans and Canadians have always traditionally been used to using top loaders, so they don't know to leave the door open on a front loader. Of course that causes a humid environment which leads to mold.
So, what did the engineers do to combat it? Well, We have Affresh for starters. We also have machine cleaning cycles explicitly designed to combat issues with this. (Not to mention people who seem to wash in cold water all the time and use lots of fabric softener, a recipie for disaster.)
Whirlpool introduced a machine smart enough to vent itself to dry itself out, so it doesn't have the issues with mold and mildew that neglected front loaders have. Heck, in some cases, it can even dry clothing that doesn't have a lot of moisture!
So, the engineers know that mold and mildew are problems and I can clearly see that they are taking steps to work towards making it less of an issue.
Onto your next point about them shaking out of control and destroying themselves. It did kind of miff me off that LG and Samsung did release rather expensive top loading HE machines that had a habit of spin sploding. In youtube videos where we see damaged machines, we can clearly see that the user was using a completely inappropriate cycle and spin speed for the load they were trying to do.
I'm now seeing machines with stickers on them warning against washing anything which can hold water, like rubber sheets and other such products. So, is it the fault of the manufacturer if the user doesn't know how to use the machine? Perhaps. Obviously, the machines should have some kind of safety system to prevent them from spin 'sploding. This could be easily implemented. I'm sure a class action lawsuit already has been filed.
More to the point, modern HE machines, especially ones from GE and Whirlpool don't really have spin sploding issues, which tells me that their engineers figured it out, while LG and Samsung are struggling with it. (LG has already redesigned their suspension system to make them less prone to it, so kudos to them!)
Will they ruin your clothes? Well, it all depends on the model and the user. There have been a few centre post HE style machines on the market that don't use enough water and have been known to damage fabrics. Then again, there have been a lot of conventional "Deep fill" top loaders which have also done the same. (i.e. Shredmores .. Heh.) Heck, my old 2004-era GE top loader would occasionally destroy or rip a comforter slip because I didn't select the right speed.
It does come down to user education and knowing their machine and knowing what settings to use. If someone uses the "Regular" cycle with delicate clothes, they deserve everything they get. If anything, washplate machines are easier on clothing than conventional agitator machines, especially when being used in a Non-HE fashion.
As for the Dryers not drying, I can attest differently. Unless you can cite proof, I can legitimately say that drying my comforter in a friends high capacity dryer actually cooked it because I was dumb enough to use the "Extra High" heat setting instead of something more appropriate. So, I don't believe this for a second.
I think that LG and Samsung have every right to continue to make appliances, but they are learning from their mistakes and are only improving as a result. Seeing them frequently change their product lineup and introduce different designs is a sign that they are ushering in improvements into their new models.
Take into contrast GE themselves, who had the same Filter-Flo design from 1964 right through to 1994. The design hadn't really changed much over that time. Samsung and LG have come further in 10 years than GE did in 30 years. (You did know that there's no such thing as a Microprocessor controlled Filter-Flo, right? GE didn't even have Microprocessor controlled machines until about 1996!)
Now you keep repeating that LG and Samsung are the worst washers and dryers you have ever seen, but are they the worst washers and dryers you have ever USED? Big difference. I have used a friends LG washer and dryer on occasion and they work just fine. I honestly don't think you have a right to form an opinion about them until you've actually done a few cycles with your own clothing. Heck, I don't either. (I have seen videos of the wash action, so I can form an opinion about that. I personally have used an LG front loader and thought it did a good job. )
Actually, I'm kind of intrigued by LG's Waveforce system. I think it's kind of neat. Neat to watch and neat in concept as to how it works.
Also, in your second posts, "The electronics will fail!" .. Well, that's for time to tell. Maybe they'll last for 30 years or maybe they'll only last for five. So far a lot of people I know who own LG machines have had them for upwards of ten years without problems. All modern machines today have electronics in them, even my Huebsch washer. (My dryer doesn't, but the timer failed after 3 years, go figure.)
Lastly, "Who owns them? China?" is actually bordering on being a racist statement. Maybe some of the parts are manufactured in China, but Samsung and LG are both Korean companies and most of the components, from my understanding are manufactured in Korea, then shipped over here.
In all honesty, you can rail against LG and Samsung all you want, but in reality, what matters more is that you speak with your wallet. I'm sure there are GE and Whirlpool products which are inferior to Samsung and LG products... and vice versa!
So, while I might cause a flamewar by saying these things, I apologize if I do, the reality of it all is to stand back and stop focusing on the failures of these machines but rather see how the engineers refined them to improve on them.
I think your problem isn't so much with LG and Samsung but rather with just HE washing in general. GE and Whirlpool have come out with some absolute pieces of JUNK which don't clean clothing all that well at all because of the whole HE thing.
But again, the engineers are learning what works and what doesn't. They are listening to buyers and they know that buyers want the option for a deep water wash. In fact, I'm seeing it on more and more machines. GE and Whirlpool most noticeably. In fact, they're touting it as a "feature" when it was something we just all took for granted.
In saying that, buy one of these machines you hate so much, (Used) pit it against a conventional top loader and compare the two. Post the results in this channel instead of just ranting about something that doesn't have any substance. Then sell the machine later if you don't want it. (Or give it away to a charity.)
So, being the washer/dryer fetishists we are, (No, that's not sexual, look it up) we should be looking at the finer aspects of the machine rather than dismissing it. LG's spin splode? Well, buy a used machine and put it on your lawn and make it spin splode. LG/Samsungs don't dry? Prove it. They don't clean? Put some really nasty laundry in the machines and see how they fare, making sure to make a point of enjoying the washing action. (Especially that Waveforce action.. wowwweee!)
I don't know if the mods will delete this post, but this is my rant to yours!
I wish I could be more diplomatic here, but you're basically repeating the same rant over and over again without really proposing any solutions. It's not even all that constructive.
I understand that HE washing is still in its infancy and the engineers are chewing on some serious issues as a result of consumer complaints.
So, let's stand back a bit and be more constructive, shall we?
Regarding the mold and mildew issue. A lot of this is due to user error. Mainly a front loading issue, Americans and Canadians have always traditionally been used to using top loaders, so they don't know to leave the door open on a front loader. Of course that causes a humid environment which leads to mold.
So, what did the engineers do to combat it? Well, We have Affresh for starters. We also have machine cleaning cycles explicitly designed to combat issues with this. (Not to mention people who seem to wash in cold water all the time and use lots of fabric softener, a recipie for disaster.)
Whirlpool introduced a machine smart enough to vent itself to dry itself out, so it doesn't have the issues with mold and mildew that neglected front loaders have. Heck, in some cases, it can even dry clothing that doesn't have a lot of moisture!
So, the engineers know that mold and mildew are problems and I can clearly see that they are taking steps to work towards making it less of an issue.
Onto your next point about them shaking out of control and destroying themselves. It did kind of miff me off that LG and Samsung did release rather expensive top loading HE machines that had a habit of spin sploding. In youtube videos where we see damaged machines, we can clearly see that the user was using a completely inappropriate cycle and spin speed for the load they were trying to do.
I'm now seeing machines with stickers on them warning against washing anything which can hold water, like rubber sheets and other such products. So, is it the fault of the manufacturer if the user doesn't know how to use the machine? Perhaps. Obviously, the machines should have some kind of safety system to prevent them from spin 'sploding. This could be easily implemented. I'm sure a class action lawsuit already has been filed.
More to the point, modern HE machines, especially ones from GE and Whirlpool don't really have spin sploding issues, which tells me that their engineers figured it out, while LG and Samsung are struggling with it. (LG has already redesigned their suspension system to make them less prone to it, so kudos to them!)
Will they ruin your clothes? Well, it all depends on the model and the user. There have been a few centre post HE style machines on the market that don't use enough water and have been known to damage fabrics. Then again, there have been a lot of conventional "Deep fill" top loaders which have also done the same. (i.e. Shredmores .. Heh.) Heck, my old 2004-era GE top loader would occasionally destroy or rip a comforter slip because I didn't select the right speed.
It does come down to user education and knowing their machine and knowing what settings to use. If someone uses the "Regular" cycle with delicate clothes, they deserve everything they get. If anything, washplate machines are easier on clothing than conventional agitator machines, especially when being used in a Non-HE fashion.
As for the Dryers not drying, I can attest differently. Unless you can cite proof, I can legitimately say that drying my comforter in a friends high capacity dryer actually cooked it because I was dumb enough to use the "Extra High" heat setting instead of something more appropriate. So, I don't believe this for a second.
I think that LG and Samsung have every right to continue to make appliances, but they are learning from their mistakes and are only improving as a result. Seeing them frequently change their product lineup and introduce different designs is a sign that they are ushering in improvements into their new models.
Take into contrast GE themselves, who had the same Filter-Flo design from 1964 right through to 1994. The design hadn't really changed much over that time. Samsung and LG have come further in 10 years than GE did in 30 years. (You did know that there's no such thing as a Microprocessor controlled Filter-Flo, right? GE didn't even have Microprocessor controlled machines until about 1996!)
Now you keep repeating that LG and Samsung are the worst washers and dryers you have ever seen, but are they the worst washers and dryers you have ever USED? Big difference. I have used a friends LG washer and dryer on occasion and they work just fine. I honestly don't think you have a right to form an opinion about them until you've actually done a few cycles with your own clothing. Heck, I don't either. (I have seen videos of the wash action, so I can form an opinion about that. I personally have used an LG front loader and thought it did a good job.
)Actually, I'm kind of intrigued by LG's Waveforce system. I think it's kind of neat. Neat to watch and neat in concept as to how it works.
Also, in your second posts, "The electronics will fail!" .. Well, that's for time to tell. Maybe they'll last for 30 years or maybe they'll only last for five. So far a lot of people I know who own LG machines have had them for upwards of ten years without problems. All modern machines today have electronics in them, even my Huebsch washer. (My dryer doesn't, but the timer failed after 3 years, go figure.)
Lastly, "Who owns them? China?" is actually bordering on being a racist statement. Maybe some of the parts are manufactured in China, but Samsung and LG are both Korean companies and most of the components, from my understanding are manufactured in Korea, then shipped over here.
In all honesty, you can rail against LG and Samsung all you want, but in reality, what matters more is that you speak with your wallet. I'm sure there are GE and Whirlpool products which are inferior to Samsung and LG products... and vice versa!
So, while I might cause a flamewar by saying these things, I apologize if I do, the reality of it all is to stand back and stop focusing on the failures of these machines but rather see how the engineers refined them to improve on them.
I think your problem isn't so much with LG and Samsung but rather with just HE washing in general. GE and Whirlpool have come out with some absolute pieces of JUNK which don't clean clothing all that well at all because of the whole HE thing.
But again, the engineers are learning what works and what doesn't. They are listening to buyers and they know that buyers want the option for a deep water wash. In fact, I'm seeing it on more and more machines. GE and Whirlpool most noticeably. In fact, they're touting it as a "feature" when it was something we just all took for granted.
In saying that, buy one of these machines you hate so much, (Used) pit it against a conventional top loader and compare the two. Post the results in this channel instead of just ranting about something that doesn't have any substance. Then sell the machine later if you don't want it. (Or give it away to a charity.)
So, being the washer/dryer fetishists we are, (No, that's not sexual, look it up) we should be looking at the finer aspects of the machine rather than dismissing it. LG's spin splode? Well, buy a used machine and put it on your lawn and make it spin splode.
LG/Samsungs don't dry? Prove it. They don't clean? Put some really nasty laundry in the machines and see how they fare, making sure to make a point of enjoying the washing action. (Especially that Waveforce action.. wowwweee!) I don't know if the mods will delete this post, but this is my rant to yours!
joeypete
Well-known member
Well stated Bud! As much research as I've done in the last year since I really got into washing machines again, I've determined that most of the problem is user error. Honestly right now on the market I think most any machine is good...the bugs have been worked out of a lot of machines...really even in the last several months. WP's new HE impeller and HE agitator models really do look good and many improvements have come with them. Now GE's new machines too...fantastic from what I can see (I haven't tried them).
Biggest issue is getting people to understand how they work and reading the instructions. Unfortunately they days of when every machine basically did the same thing, are gone. Most of the people buying new machines now have been using the same type forever. Laundry isn't "fun" for them like it is for us here. They don't want to spend an hour reading the owners manual or understanding how their machine works. They just want to throw ALL their laundry in one load and have it come out sparkling clean. Really what they want is a 10 cu ft Speed Queen...LOL.
Biggest issue is getting people to understand how they work and reading the instructions. Unfortunately they days of when every machine basically did the same thing, are gone. Most of the people buying new machines now have been using the same type forever. Laundry isn't "fun" for them like it is for us here. They don't want to spend an hour reading the owners manual or understanding how their machine works. They just want to throw ALL their laundry in one load and have it come out sparkling clean. Really what they want is a 10 cu ft Speed Queen...LOL.
arbilab
Well-known member
Ugh. Please don't use (bordering) 'racist' as an economic argument. The race which designs and builds appliances is the HUMAN race.
They/we do so today under a different set of economic imperatives than in the 'vintage' days. To an aficionado, the results can vary from mildly disappointing to total POS.
Trust me. I worked for Dell in the transition days between 'make it bulletproof' to 'make it fail as shortly after warranty as possible'. I detest this economic philosophy as much as anyone but for the foreseeable future it's here to stay.
I'd say it IS possible to 'do more with less' but that's not going to be possible as long as the first corner they cut is engineering. Yes, raw graduates are cheap to hire. But as anyone knows who has worked around them, it takes more supervision to get usable work out of them than it would have taken to pay someone who knows what they're doing in the first place. And I feel VERY safe saying that the sharpest engineering graduates do NOT go into the appliance business any more than the sharpest medical graduates go to work for the VA.
Skipping a great deal of dissertation, you can't expect results comparable to vintage from a Walmart economy.
They/we do so today under a different set of economic imperatives than in the 'vintage' days. To an aficionado, the results can vary from mildly disappointing to total POS.
Trust me. I worked for Dell in the transition days between 'make it bulletproof' to 'make it fail as shortly after warranty as possible'. I detest this economic philosophy as much as anyone but for the foreseeable future it's here to stay.
I'd say it IS possible to 'do more with less' but that's not going to be possible as long as the first corner they cut is engineering. Yes, raw graduates are cheap to hire. But as anyone knows who has worked around them, it takes more supervision to get usable work out of them than it would have taken to pay someone who knows what they're doing in the first place. And I feel VERY safe saying that the sharpest engineering graduates do NOT go into the appliance business any more than the sharpest medical graduates go to work for the VA.
Skipping a great deal of dissertation, you can't expect results comparable to vintage from a Walmart economy.
Words of Wisdom
Thank You Qualin!
I 2nd everything you said.
I hate LG and Samsung too. I think their machines are stupid and I don't like them encroaching on the US market. But that's my issue. My aunts have an LG laundry pair, and they work perfectly fine.
Word of the wise to Mr. GELaundryForever.
If you wan't to convince anyone in an argument, refrain from using words like "always" and "worst/best" and "ever."
Unless you're talking to the Trump/Carson crowd, you've totally lost people you're trying to persuade without good reasons and evidence.
Thank You Qualin!
I 2nd everything you said.
I hate LG and Samsung too. I think their machines are stupid and I don't like them encroaching on the US market. But that's my issue. My aunts have an LG laundry pair, and they work perfectly fine.
Word of the wise to Mr. GELaundryForever.
If you wan't to convince anyone in an argument, refrain from using words like "always" and "worst/best" and "ever."
Unless you're talking to the Trump/Carson crowd, you've totally lost people you're trying to persuade without good reasons and evidence.
Housewives & Buying Habits, Post 847733 Reply #5:
Like what was stated there, no housewife in the '80's would want a machine stuck in the '60's Peace Sign, 'Have A Nice Day', 'Hell No We Won't Go!' stickers and all!
But likewise, buying habits bought and brought a lot of welcome features to many a happy home--even with or without the necessary/unnecessary repairs...!
It is a tradition that needs to continue--and there should never be a deviation in quality or safety standards no matter where in the globe a product is built, used or bought...
Long Live!
-- Dave
Like what was stated there, no housewife in the '80's would want a machine stuck in the '60's Peace Sign, 'Have A Nice Day', 'Hell No We Won't Go!' stickers and all!
But likewise, buying habits bought and brought a lot of welcome features to many a happy home--even with or without the necessary/unnecessary repairs...!
It is a tradition that needs to continue--and there should never be a deviation in quality or safety standards no matter where in the globe a product is built, used or bought...
Long Live!
-- Dave
joeypete
Well-known member
Thanks Dave! ;-) It's weird how perceptions change (or really don't) over the years. I was born in the mid 70's and have only vague recollection of our life then. I do remember my mother LOVED Whirlpool appliances...but they weren't WP's from the 60's , they were brand new. Even as an older kid in the 80's I honestly can say I don't ever remember seeing an "old" washer anywhere. We lived in my grandmother's house and she had a new set of Kenmore's. Even back then the old folks complained about how awful new things were...and now we are saying how wonderful those "new" old things are in comparison to what we have now. LOL. It's just human nature I think...we have no say in how things are designed so we complain when something new comes out and it's not as good as what we had before. I don't see that changing.
even if they work...
Even if they work, it makes no difference. Lg and Samsung need to stay out of it. HE washers don't clean! People have to run them thousands of times! HE dryers don't dry! They are tumbling irons! You have to run them thousands of times just to get clothes dry! What is most shocking is that my mom/\'s lg washer and matching dryer is 8 years old and going strong! But still! LG and Samsung need to stay away from washers and dryers and go back to electronics! That's all they're good for! Leave the washers and dryers to GE Whirlpool, Maytag, Speed Queen, and everybody else who know how to make washers and dryers properly, especially Speed queen! Speed Queen has very little to 0 complaints!
Even if they work, it makes no difference. Lg and Samsung need to stay out of it. HE washers don't clean! People have to run them thousands of times! HE dryers don't dry! They are tumbling irons! You have to run them thousands of times just to get clothes dry! What is most shocking is that my mom/\'s lg washer and matching dryer is 8 years old and going strong! But still! LG and Samsung need to stay away from washers and dryers and go back to electronics! That's all they're good for! Leave the washers and dryers to GE Whirlpool, Maytag, Speed Queen, and everybody else who know how to make washers and dryers properly, especially Speed queen! Speed Queen has very little to 0 complaints!
aaaaand here's where you lose all credibilty from me:
"What is most shocking is that my mom/\'s lg washer and matching dryer is 8 years old and going strong! But still! LG and Samsung need to stay away from washers and dryers and go back to electronics!"
"What is most shocking is that my mom/\'s lg washer and matching dryer is 8 years old and going strong! But still! LG and Samsung need to stay away from washers and dryers and go back to electronics!"
GELaundry4ever: It makes absolutely no matter to me if you dislike HE laundry equipment and particular brands.
I have only this to say: You are henceforth limited to one exclamation point per post.
Thank you.
I have only this to say: You are henceforth limited to one exclamation point per post.
Thank you.
Just my rant...
I am just ranting because it is true. It is stupid to put steam in a dryer! They make steam on their own! Dryers should dry, not iron!
I am just ranting because it is true. It is stupid to put steam in a dryer! They make steam on their own! Dryers should dry, not iron!
Opinion
"Just my rant..."
You are completely entitled to your opinions.
I, myself, love my HE washers and dryers. I have a Kenmore branded LG front loader and Samsung front loader w/ matching dryer. Love them both! This dryer is by far the best dryer I have ever owned.
My mother loves her Whirlpool Cabrio. It's going on 8-9 years old and never damaged any clothing. Always produces great results despite some of her questionable laundry habits. Only repair to this machine was replacement suspension rods last month because they were becoming loud.
New designs and engineering that are able to accomplish the job with fewer resources is a good thing in my book!
"Just my rant..."
You are completely entitled to your opinions.
I, myself, love my HE washers and dryers. I have a Kenmore branded LG front loader and Samsung front loader w/ matching dryer. Love them both! This dryer is by far the best dryer I have ever owned.
My mother loves her Whirlpool Cabrio. It's going on 8-9 years old and never damaged any clothing. Always produces great results despite some of her questionable laundry habits. Only repair to this machine was replacement suspension rods last month because they were becoming loud.
New designs and engineering that are able to accomplish the job with fewer resources is a good thing in my book!
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