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Cheap: maybe. But that is it: They are cheap, thus they are allowed to be cheap.
You know what: They HAVE dispensers. That is something they have ahead of old washers.
Toy motors: Well, you never even seen or thought about what a direct drive inverter motor can do. These things have power, and a way higher torque then some other traditional motors.
 
GEE....the same could be said for some people.....

loud, obnoxious, rude, belligerent, opinionated, ain't worth a damn......

sort of alike a slinky, not good for much, yet brings a smile to your face to see one tumble down a flight of stairs...

thousands of machines built, barely 3 or 4 with issues on youtube.......doesn't change my mind from owning one...

besides, if they truly didn't work, wouldn't they all be returned!....

reason 673 as to why some people should never reproduce!....
 
I think I've heard enough about HE washers ALL being pieces of junk, about "how dare GE stop making the FilterFlo, who do they think they are?, and about Whirlpool's dishwasher motors sounding like a GE Potscrubber to last me more than a life time. I feel like the half the threads on the forum have been those topics over the past few months. I'm all for enthusiasm and passion, but there's only so far a subject, or subjects, can go.

Just remember that for every new post created, an old one falls off, deleting what could be valuable information that has been covered in the past, all to create a separate rant about something that could have been added to an existing post.
 
I have to disagree with you. I have an LG made front load washer and dryer and like them very much. I replaced my 1995 model Maytag set with them and they are very nice. The do an excellent job cleaning and rinsing and hold a huge load of clothes or a king size feather comforter, which is why I bought it in the first place. It does take longer to do it's job, but spins the clothing out nearly dry and with no adverse effects to the clothing and no wear or lint. I liked my Maytag set, they were still the "real" Maytags, but these machines are great! I did buy the service contract with them, just in case. Time will tell I guess, but I like them very much so far. The washer will rinse up to 3 times extra for skin sensitive to soap and it has a "steam treat" setting that gets very hot. I consider it a step into the future.
 
Adding nothing to the discussion since you seem to have your fingers firmly in your ears but I think I'll contribute anyway. Understand that we've been seeing quality appliances with electronic controls for decades now. There's actually a Maytag electronic stack from the 80s in my post history whose design is very dear to my heart. It's pretty unproductive of you to continue spamming the same posts over and over again; it doesn't contribute anything to the community but noise. Same goes for resurrecting archived threads only to add the same aforementioned replies. Maybe you should step back and take a breather.
 
That said, I'll input on the subject what I've said before in the recent past...

I used to be against HE washers, as well as "resource-saving" dishwashers, for the longest time. I loved the machines I had grown up with, the Whirlpool PowerClean, the Maytag-Voyager I have, the KitchenAid Superba top loader from my childhood, the Lady Kenmore my grandmother had, etc. I couldn't bear the thought of those machines being altered to use less water and to work differently, because I felt there was no way they could get any better. I had an opinion against new machines and new technology because of what I had heard and what I had seen through videos, most of them being users that were unhappy with the machines. So of course, the worst was brought out. We all know that the first people to review a product are the ones unhappy with it, and we all know that the majority of our society couldn't care less about how their clothes or dishes are washed, so they're not likely to post a video of the machine properly working the way it was intended. That's why searching YouTube for videos of these machines is a bit of a chore, because you have to filter through the repair videos, and videos of the machines malfunctioning and hearing commentary from the user about what a "piece of crap" it is. It is those videos that I can no longer take seriously, because upon paying close attention you can usually deduce that it was user error or neglect in the first place, more often than an actual design flaw.

Anyway, moving on.. I had no right to have the opinion I had against newer machines because I had never taken the chance to experience them or learn about them. That changed just less than a year ago when my Maytag Bravos XL was brought into my home. Long story short, the one HE washer design that intrigued me and impressed me from what I had learned about it, through its design and engineering history, was Whirlpool's Oasis model, also known through its cousin Fisher&Paykel SmartDrive. A chance came up for me to buy a new machine, so I took the plunge. First few days was a learning curve, but almost a year later, I wouldn't go back to a normal top-loading washer for anything in the world. Despite the lower water levels this machine uses, I've had no reservations to pile clothes in to the brim of the basket, as filthy as they can be, and with no problem whatsoever (so long as the clothes are loosely piled around the basket, with just enough of a tiny "donut-hole" in the middle so that nothing will spread across the washplate during the presoaking spins) every load I've washed has been cleaner and more thoroughly rinsed than it would in my traditional Whirlpool. More so, the machine does an excellent job rolling over even the largest of loads when instructions are followed on loading, and the load is so nearly dry because of the spin speed that drying time is cut nearly in half. In all honesty, there's no more effort that has to be put into the process of doing laundry than there was with "traditional" machines, except this machine, to me, is much more fun to watch. I plan to keep this washer until it practically crumbles into the floor. Yes, there is a lot more plastic in machines these days than in decades before, and yes, I do feel there could be an improvement in the build quality of certain components, but overall I've fallen in love with the washer, and it has renewed a desire to try new technology and machines again, so much so that I actually would love to have a new Whirlpool or KitchenAid dishwasher, and even finally bought a brand new car that is designed and built better than the previous one I had that I was convinced couldn't be beat.

Yes, there are HE washing machines, dishwashers, dryers, etc., that have not done well. For example, despite their cosmetic similarities, the VMW version of the Whirlpool Cabrio and its Maytag and Kenmore clones is VASTLY different than the true Oasis design like my Maytag and @joeypete's Kenmore. The VMW's didn't fare as well, specifically from the lack of a recirculation pump and the lack of the direct drive inverter motor. TRUST ME, I'd choose the "toy" inverter motor, as you called it, over any other. I've been infinitely impressed at the sheer amount of torque and power this thing has without the need for gears or pulleys. The point is, there will always be the good and there will always be the bad. You can't round up an entire category of products into one pile and dismiss them as junk. It is perfectly fine to have passion and enthusiasm with opinions, and in my own opinion it's preferred because it makes debates here quite interesting, and I've learned so much myself in the time I've been here. But don't try to start these bashfests about things without at least trying them yourself or listening to others that have, and bring something more to the table than repeating rants that are nothing but vague insults and accusations that are not confirmed or factual.
 
To throw in my two cents, I personally prefer doing my laundry "old school". That is precisely why there is a Newton Maytag washing machine sitting in my laundry room.

With that being said, if I did not have access to that Maytag when the DD Whirlpool decided to take a dump, I would have strongly considered an LG front loader. I've had the opportunity to play with several different brands of HE washer through local friends and relatives and the LG machines, by far, are my favorite HE machines.

We are ALL entitled to our own opinion. However, we are NOT entitled to rant, rave, carry on like an infant, insult people or their preferences of laundry equipment.

I think it's high time certain people on this forum started to act their age instead of their shoe size!
 
GE's rant

Due to a remodel I replaced my Duet stacked washer and dryer with stacked LG. The old Duet pair went a good home and are happily being used after I used them for about 10 years. The new LG are great machines. While I do not typically use cold wash I did experiment with it due to the multi motion capabilities of the direct drive motor. I was rather impressed with what the cold wash managed to do. The washer has a good selection of options and I use all of them.The boost heat sanitary is great for the cat beds and towels especially beach towels. The high speed spin really reduces dryer time. The dryer is gas and is fast. I have never had a load 'over dry'. The dryer runs a check to make sure that the vent is clear before it starts. A really innovative safety feature. The washer has a magnet catch option to keep the door slightly open when not in use. Did not have any kind of mold, odors, etc. with the Duet and have not had any with the LG. All in all, the innovation from virtually all of the front load manufacturers is to be praised. I have not desire to go back to the wash the whites first in the wringer and then progressively dirtier laundry that my Grandmother did with her Thor nor to the huge water users top loaders (other than at a WashIn). I have been using front load washers for over 20+ years and have no complaints. Also, there is no way I could use a reasonably sized top load in my kitchen laundry space. I did have an apartment size Kenmore top load with its matching 120V dryer mounted on a stand over it for a period of time but in the same space I now have large extremely capable and flexible LG machines. I do not find any problems with the capabilities or engineering of my LG machines.
Harry
 
Syrius Cybernetic Cooperation...

... made the elevators that led the Great Elevator Strike, right? Just last night I read something that made me think of Milliways Restaurant:-)

I agree with JoeyPete: "They don't want to spend an hour reading the owners manual or understanding how their machine works. They just want to throw ALL their laundry in one load and have it come out sparkling clean." However, I'd add that they want that to happen regardless of cycle and water temp settings. They are too stupid and/or intellectually lazy to realize that their choices and actions affect the outcome. I'm willing to bet that these are the same people whose car windows fog up because they have the HVAC controls set wrong given the weather and number of people in the car.

That said, manufacturers are hardly innocent victims struggling to do their best.
3 examples come to mind. No worries; I'll not repeat the accompanying rants;-)

1. I have difficulty believing that GE was unaware of the fact that their TL ultra-HE machines of 2010/11 did not actually clean clothes.

2. I've noticed that some manufacturers have taken to labelling cycles with verbiage I find cryptic and uninformative such as "active", "sports", "casual", etc. What is the point of doing this?

3. Dumbing down temps. If user washes something that needs hot water, correctly selects a cycle that claims to provide hot water but actually gives warm, it is NOT user error when the item does not get clean.

As for machines not being returned when they didn't work. I can't speak to that as I didn't have that option when I was saddled with an example of #1 from above. However, I "solved" the problem by washing literally everything twice. Both times with the extra rinse. First time with detergent, second time with nothing but a splash of vinegar in the wash cycle.


Just a personal opinion for clarity: Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me that at least some manufacturers are slapping the label "HE" onto practically every washer so that label has kind of stopped saying anything. It might be helpful if you said specifically what washers you're talking about when you say "HE".

Jim
 
why do my sister in law wents that kind of washer

why do my sister in law wents that particular kind of washer this i do not know they have a perfectly good direct drive 1993 kenmore washer that they could ask a tech to restore for them repaint change the agitator for an agitator with fabric sofner dispenser here is a pic of there actual washer and dryer its not the matchiong dryer to there washer but it do a better job than these cheap models that they would went to return and exchange before the first use sigh

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