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I bought this Whirlpool Point Voyager for $20 just to play with it. I managed to record this video of it blowing its brains out and tripping the AFCI due to an arc fault (it did not trip due to overcurrent or ground fault). I threw it out but perhaps I could have kept it and got $100! 😁

 
I managed to record this video of it blowing its brains out and tripping the AFCI due to an arc fault (it did not trip due to overcurrent or ground fault).
I'm waiting for mine to commit suicide but I never use heated dry so it'll probably hold on a bit longer.
 
I bought this Whirlpool Point Voyager for $20 just to play with it. I managed to record this video of it blowing its brains out and tripping the AFCI due to an arc fault (it did not trip due to overcurrent or ground fault). I threw it out but perhaps I could have kept it and got $100! 😁


"Hey honey!...... what's that smell?
"Nothing dear, just the dishwasher doing its thing again."
 
A simple solution to Whirlpool's and customer's ills:


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Spade connectors, chunky contacts and metal base. This picture isn't AI or a fantasy, this actually existed in one point and time and proved more successful than any modern control board.
A Song...

"Those were the days my friend, I thought they'd never end....."
 
A Song...

"Those were the days my friend, I thought they'd never end....."

The thing is, I thought appliances would just keep getting better and better. They did in the 80s as that is when dishwasher longevity and performance peaked, and in various degrees in the late 90s. However, beyond that things just got worse. It never crossed my mind major appliances would simply vanish. Had I known I would have bought a dozen Power Cleans and a few direct drives and kept them in climate controlled storage.

Also not sure why John300m finds my post funny.

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These old timers and their interfaces did not fail by routinely burning up, smoking, starting fires, triggering recalls and getting the code making panels to expand AFCI and GFCI protection to major appliances. Not counting all the premature failures and touch pads there wear through.

Electronics and undersized molex connectors just don't belong in the hot, moist, condensing environments of automatic dishwashers. Its just that simple.
 
I bought this Whirlpool Point Voyager for $20 just to play with it. I managed to record this video of it blowing its brains out and tripping the AFCI due to an arc fault (it did not trip due to overcurrent or ground fault). I threw it out but perhaps I could have kept it and got $100! 😁



Now you know why AFCI and GFCIs are expanding as they are. Home prices are literally going up because home owners and landlords now have to pay for the obscene cost cutting of appliances. Cheap appliances cost MORE not LESS.
 
A simple solution to Whirlpool's and customer's ills:


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Spade connectors, chunky contacts and metal base. This picture isn't AI or a fantasy, this actually existed in one point and time and proved more successful than any modern control board.
This picture is the only experience I have ever known. Grew up with a Maytag A490 that used a Kingston timer. My HA806 washers uses a Kingston timer. These are tried and true proven tech with solid reliability, it's not waxing nostalgia or survivors basis (as the youngin's today say).
 
This picture is the only experience I have ever known. Grew up with a Maytag A490 that used a Kingston timer. My HA806 washers uses a Kingston timer. These are tried and true proven tech with solid reliability, it's not waxing nostalgia or survivors basis (as the youngin's today say).

It is a timed tested time approved success. Your inference is based on evidence based reasoning. Rooted in fact, not fantasy.

I know there are those who will knock on a Kingston timer in favor of Mallory, Singer, RSPC, Eaton, Invensys, ect however any Kingston timer is superior to modern electronic circuit boards.
 
That's what most of us thought. Some of us picked up on the lie early on, most bought the lie and paid for it...usually by throwing away or leaving behind a perfectly working appliance with much regret later on.

I did the same. I left behind a perfectly good Whirlpool Power Clean Filter Module. I've left behind direct drive Kenmores, various fridges, GE stoves, given away blenders and toasters, ect.

I was dumb thinking buying new was an improvement. Now I know that I was wrong. If only I could have known back then what I know now.
 
It is a timed tested time approved success. Your inference is based on evidence based reasoning. Rooted in fact, not fantasy.

I know there are those who will knock on a Kingston timer in favor of Mallory, Singer, RSPC, Eaton, ect however any Kingston timer is superior to modern electronic circuit boards.
Mallory timers are kind of superior but not without fault. A Kingston timer will run at least 25 years of very hard use before it needs a timer motor, which was cheap and easy to replace. I have a very, very low cabin use only 1967 Maytag A806 washer I saved from the crusher with a Mallory timer that seized up and wouldn't advance on the 3rd load because the grease inside the timer motor hardened. Had to fully disassemble, clean, and re-grease the entire unit.

16 Years ago, I was chatting with an employee of an appliance parts outfit who had being doing that job since 1975. He said Kingston had better contacts, Mallory had better gearing. The Kingston timer in my HA806 is original and 50 years old as of last September. I did change out the timer more for a 90 second one a couple of years back vs the original 60 second. Other than that, all original and untouched.
 
I did the same. I left behind a perfectly good Whirlpool Power Clean Filter Module. I've left behind direct drive Kenmores, various fridges, GE stoves, given away blenders and toasters, ect.

I was dumb thinking buying new was an improvement. Now I know that I was wrong. If only I could have known back then what I know now.
Working most of my life with mass produced products, and including experience with appliances, I "learned" quite quickly what was good engineering and quality.
That also clued me in on the incremental "changes" going on as the years went on.
Which not was always better.
And that I why, now, I'm immune to the Marketing Hype of "new" things.
 
That's what most of us thought. Some of us picked up on the lie early on, most bought the lie and paid for it...usually by throwing away or leaving behind a perfectly working appliance with much regret later on.
I'm sure that people on here have heard my rants about the "Conditioning" and "Manipulation" of society.
So your comment, and Chet's are exactly why I have stated my comments about the dumbing down complacency, and brainwashing - led to "believe" new is better.
Which I've early on, managed to not trust, but instead ignored - I smelled a rat.
 
I did the same. I left behind a perfectly good Whirlpool Power Clean Filter Module. I've left behind direct drive Kenmores, various fridges, GE stoves, given away blenders and toasters, ect.

I was dumb thinking buying new was an improvement. Now I know that I was wrong. If only I could have known back then what I know now.
I’ve offered to you multiple times, my broken KA Supurba 25 PowerClean, with no response.
You just get weepy in post after post about the past.
Well, you can let the tears flow when I throw out the whole appliance tonight since nobody wants it.
It just needs a door switch and harness.

I don’t have the time or willing to put the money into fixing it since I already put $150 in it, on top of donor parts from the gracious Murando.

But it’s still a good project machine. With a fully functional “sensor wash” Power clean module.
 
For the record, I don't recall you ever making a serious offer on your KA Supurba 25 PowerClean. Only casual mentions, ones that could have been interpreted as sarcasm.
Odd you didn’t take the opportunity to follow up for clarification. You just snap-judged.
I disagree with 99.9% of everything you say, but the offer was good.

You still don’t seem interested.
Oh well, another one to become a recycled something.
 
Odd you didn’t take the opportunity to follow up for clarification. You just snap-judged.
I disagree with 99.9% of everything you say, but the offer was good.

You still don’t seem interested.
Oh well, another one to become a recycled something.

Considering how terse you are on the basis of disagreeing with my replies (99.9% as you say) snap-judgment is almost reflexive at this point.
 
Money for a bad dishwasher boards

This was a program that whirlpool put into affect around 10 years ago to cover dishwashers that were now 15 or more years old that had a main power board that failed.

They would do one of several things, they often gave out the parts or they gave you a discount on a new dishwasher or if you’d already paid to have the repair they would give you $100 back to help to defray the cost of the repair.

Hi Chet I added the laughter to your post number seven the picture of that Maytag dishwasher timer you posted uses the same type of terminals that were used on these boards that failed same size etc.

Many many timers burned up their terminals over the years. If you were paying attention, you would notice just the other week. A lady was posting about our KDC 17 a KitchenAid dishwasher with burned up terminals on the selector switch and timer.

Chet I wish you could get out in the real world and actually work on some stuff, I was really disappointed in your attempts to figure out what was wrong with your GE side-by-side refrigerator. I suggested you go online and learn about what goes wrong with those refrigerators I cannot believe you’re cleaning the condenser and everything and you don’t even notice that the hole evaporator has turned into a iceberg of ice and you kept commenting that the fan is revving at a super fast speed, but you never even noticed that it’s not blowing any air. It’s because the whole thing was frosted up.

The most common problem with a GE refrigerator like that is the defrost heater and then your parents found somebody to come fix it who doesn’t even show up with the heater, unbelievable

You could’ve taken a little bit of time and gone online and learned how to fix that refrigerator and saved your parents some money rather than this constant fantasy of thinking you know how to make Appliances better and save the world, lol

John L
 
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Hi Chet I added the laughter to your post number seven the picture of that Maytag dishwasher timer you posted uses the same type of terminals that were used on these boards that failed same size etc.

Yes and that is where the similarities come to end. The heavy bussing on the timer, rivet connections, and contact pads are not the same. I would never trust tracks, soldier joints and undersized relays to repeatedly make and break upwards of 10 amps of current in a hot, moist environment.

Many many timers burned up their terminals over the years. If you were paying attention, you would notice just the other week. A lady was posting about our KDC 17 a KitchenAid dishwasher with burned up terminals on the selector switch and timer.

Sure. Except the occasional (in comparison) EM timer burn ups typically don't spread outside of the machine triggering dozens of recalls on millions of machines over the last 25 years.

https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit...naid-kenmore-dishwasher-class-action-lawsuit/

Chet I wish you could get out in the real world and actually work on some stuff, I was really disappointed in your attempts to figure out what was wrong with your GE side-by-side refrigerator. I suggested you go online and learn about what goes wrong with those refrigerators I cannot believe you’re cleaning the condenser

John, GEs never clean condenser is a misnomer aka marketing gimmick. Mine was caked with dust, and a quick Google search shows that many other service techs find these condenser clogging up despite GE's claims.





Regardless of the issue, condensers needs to be checked out and cleaned because often they get clogged or semi clogged to the point it effects performance even if it is not noticeable. And yes it is my fault in terms of periodic maintenance because I should have been vacuuming my condenser periodically and I failed to do so.


and everything and you don’t even notice that the hole evaporator has turned into a iceberg of ice and you kept commenting that the fan is revving at a super fast speed, but you never even noticed that it’s not blowing any air. It’s because the whole thing was frosted up.

Originally it was blowing air when it revved up, and rather well I might add. So I was genuinely befuddled at first. I still didn't know exactly what was causing the fan to rev up and instead what I assumed might potentially turn into a parts swap fest (control board, thermistors 1, 2, 3, evap fan, damper motor, ect), I decided to just call a local repair tech.

Yes if I had waited on calling the tech until the refrigerator temps started to climb into the 50s I would have noticed the air flow was getting worse in the freezer and eventually none existent leading me to take the back cover off to which I would have immediately seen the ice and began ohming out the defrost thermostat and the defrost heater.

The problem is I don't own a steamer, I can't wait 24 hours for the coils to defrost and I am afraid that a hair dryer might over heat something or damage the plastic linear.

So the tech was a quick diagnosis an a fix with a genuine repair part.


The most common problem with a GE refrigerator like that is the defrost heater and then your parents found somebody to come fix it who doesn’t even show up with the heater, unbelievable

The guy doesn't have a massive warehouse full of parts like your repair company does. It is also not practical to keep every common repair part in the van. Instead he orders the parts via his supplier and they arrive at his business.

Not sure why assume my parents had anything to do with this.

You could’ve taken a little bit of time and gone online and learned how to fix that refrigerator and saved your parents some money rather than this constant fantasy of thinking you know how to make Appliances better and save the world, lol

John L



John, this experience literally vindicates my so called stance on better appliances. Even you admit that GE's defrost heater is the most common failure point. So instead of GE using a sealed calrod heating element like they did on their older fridges, they use a small quartz tube heating element that literally glows orange during the defrost cycle as water drips down on it. Uh, no thank you.

Sorry, that is not how it was done in the past and not how I would do it. It is not about my "fantasy" but rather you defending the monumental encrapification of appliances.

Seriously, a halogen bulb / quartz toaster oven element hybrid to defrost a fridge? If I was the one pitching that idea over a calrod defrost heater you would have been roaring with laughter to which I would actually be agreeing with you.

And yes, if appliances didn't need a steady stream of parts and lasted 30+ years on average the world would be a better place.
 
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