More Woes With Whirlpool 6620 Front-loading Washer: 2nd Machine Also A Dud

[mark_wpduet]

It's interesting that

there are hardly any videos of this machine in operation on YouTube. I think I've found 2 (maybe 3) and I've only found ONE Maytag in operation.

anyway - the Whirlpool I saw was washing a single pillow on the bulky cycle, and, even though it has recirculation, I couldn't believe how little water it used ON THE BULKY cycle.

That said, the recirculation was a life saver, so less water isn't as big of an issue as it would be without recirculation. But when you said "sufficient water" I wasn't sure what you meant....but I didn't see sufficient water (at least on the cycles on saw on YouTube. But you have this machine, I don't. So you would know.

 

[qsd-dan]

This will fix those problems.

 

https://www.automaticwasher.org/TD/AWJPEG/VINTAGE/2009/4-16-2009-15-01-47--geoffdelp.jpg

 

[logixx]

Mark, check out the YouTube channel by Hugo Fiori, he has a some videos of the Whirlpool as well as internal shots.

https://youtube.com/c/HugoFiori

 

[appnut]

Alex, thank you for the link and source for more examples, but my problem with Hugo's videos is that those machines are in another country and I'm not sure if it would be realistic comparison given the energy standards and programming for the washer in that country is different than in the US

 

[mark_wpduet]

Yep

Euro Machines vs USA = totally different. Frankly, I think the Euro machines are much much MUCH better...at least the ones I've seen

 

[jerrod_six]

I saw one video of this machine and perhaps it was the same one that Mark saw since there was one pillow in the load also. What I noticed was that as soon as the recirculation spray started in the rinse, the spray water was full of suds and they landed right on top of the pillow.

What you wash, how to wash. I hope you can avoid having to go through this process and just select a cycle and start a load. If you already know how to wash why bother with this.

 

[adam-aussie-vac]

One thing I wonder

Has anybody brought a European style American washing machine into Europe and vice versa (bringing a European machine that’s proper European into the US

 

[mark_wpduet]

The pillow

I remember that too....

I'm sure the whirlpool is fine I just don't like the current models at all personally. I like the Maytag better with the square door.......but SQ and LG are definitely my favorite as of now, but only the models that have turbo wash....and I think one model of the SQ FL now has a heater if you can believe that

And the GE fresh vent FL's - I watched a few videos of those and the water usage (this is on bulky, mind you) was unbelievably low. I felt like the LG's look like a swimming pool in comparison.

I still want to know what it's gonna take for manufacturers to put a "more water" button on all their FL washers. Take the GE, the lower end model does have a more water button, right? But the model above that DOES NOT? Now why? If someone wants the model with a heater, they can't get a more water button...I don't get what's running through some of these manufacturers minds

 

[user 12105]

Hugo's video looks like the same operation my 6620 had. Whirlpool is still a good bet.

 

[appnut]

One SQ model has a heater

Mark what has led you to believe there is a Speed Queen model with a heater?

 

[mark_wpduet]

because when I went to their website recently and looked at the FL washers, I saw 3, the stainless model said "With Sanitize".....so I just now went back and I noticed they all say "with sanitize" and I never noticed that they all stated that the when I looked at them the other day. So NOW I'm thinking maybe they don't have heaters and that's just a built in cycle that sanitizes without a heater if you use Oxy or something like that? I got my hopes up (LOL)

 

[mark_wpduet]

Who is this Hugo?

I went back to his channel just now, he has a TON of videos. Using Whirlpool search of his videos, I scrolled and scrolled and mostly I came up with 7 year old videos. Can someone link the actual videos you're talking about. I want to check them out. I can't find them. Thanks.

 

[logixx]

Hugo Fiori is from Brazil, IIRC. You have to search for Brastemp as that's the name Whirlpool uses over there. Just look at his uploads: he only recently uploaded a set of videos about the washer in question.

 

[logixx]

The Speed Queen cycle is a Sani with Oxi cycle.

 

[derrick352]

"The Speed Queen cycle is a Sani with Oxi cycle."

LOL.

 

[egress]

Oxi as in oxygen bleach (hydrogen peroxide) im guessing... it works i guess, but I wouldn't trust it nearly as much as a proper heated sanitize cycle.

 

[appnut]

Marco, exactly!! And there are those here who think I'm stupid for insisting on a front loader having an onboard heater to supplement, maintain, and boost wash water temperatures.

 

[qsd-dan]

just a built in cycle that sanitizes without a heater

How does a machine (washer/dishwasher) sanitize without a heater?

 

[mark_wpduet]

It sounds like a sneaky way to make people think it has a heater, when really it doesn't and it's the OXY that would do the sanitizing. Although I'm not sure WHY they would need a cycle when you could just ADD OXY to a cycle but there may be more to the OXY cycle. Maybe it needs a certain amount of time.

It seems like I remember someone said their sanitize with Oxy cycle used a LOT more water than other cycles. This was a while back. I think it was a FL whirlpool maybe 5 years ago or more.

 

[DADoES]

 
Chemically.

Sanitize (reduce germs/pathogens to an acceptably-safe level) is not the same as sterilize (destroy all germs/pathogens).

 

[qsd-dan]

Sanitize (reduce germs/pathogens to an acceptably-safe level

 True, but how effective is oxy at reducing germs/pathogens in lower temperatures without a heater?

"Sanitize" is getting thrown around too loosely these days. Modern dishwashers that contain a sanitizing cycle don't even get up to 120F. That's false advertisement IMO.

 

[mark_wpduet]

um

sanitize cycle on some dishwashers is 120? Seriously? Damn.

Anyway - I misread and forgot that Sanitize with Oxy meant no heater. I just quickly looked on the SQ website and saw "sanitize, so I figured they had a heater. I see now they don't.

anyway - about the Sanitize with Oxy cycle: What does it do that's so special if the Oxy is what's sanitizing? What is it about the Cycle that's supposedly special?

 

[qsd-dan]

I'm guessing the main wash cycle is stretched out longer. That helps out but it doesn't begin to replace the effectiveness of higher water temperatures that only a heater brings unless one has their water heater cranked up to at least 160F with a short run to the washer.

 

[appnut]

Mark, the SQ Sanitize with Oxi main wash cycle is an hour long. You have to use default settings and put the oxi powder in the tub before laundry. the rinses are described as a special santize rinse. The final spin period is like 12 or more minutes, longer than any other of the SQ final spin cycles.

 

[mark_wpduet]

It's amazing

Youtube is full of all kinds of washer videos (more than you could watch in a lifetime probably) and I don't see a single video of someone doing a "sanitize with Oxy" cycle. LOL

 

[littlegreeny]

Dan...

I'm curious what dishwashers claim to sanitize and don't get to 120F?

 

[DADoES]

 
Not directly related ... my AquaSmarts have separate Allergy and Hygiene cycles.  Hygiene does not reference "oxy" or chlorine bleach.

Allergy says "A hot wash with extra rinses to target dust mites and remove detergent residue."

Hygiene is "A hot wash for times of illness or infection. Dry clothes in sunlight or on hottest dryer setting."

I haven't investigated which parts of the fill and wash process are tap-hot (Eco Active, HE level, and deep fill level if it's involved).

The AeroSmart dryer has an Allergy cycle which probably runs high temp and maximum dryness level, possibly with some extra heat time after max dryness is sensed.  "Kills off dust mites and removes wastes. Also good in times of illness. Not recommended for heat sensitive items."

My Intuitive Eco agitator model has an Allergy cycle, which I know for sure is tap-Hot Eco Active and Warm/Hot (122°F ATC) deep-fill.

 

[DADoES]

 
My (2003) DishDrawer reaches 150°F final rinse on the Normal cycle.  150°F wash and 163°F final rinse on Heavy.  It does not refer to either as a sanitizing rinse.

 

[powerfin64]

I'm with littegreeny

Where are you getting your information on this? Do you have actual proof of

this claim? I have a sanitize on my dishwasher and it gets well over 120 degrees.

 

[egress]

According to NSF specifications, the final rinse temp on a sanitize cycle must reach 150 F or higher. i don't think dishwashers can advertise a sanitize cycle if the temperature is 120 f max.