iheartmaytag
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FDA study shows that these soaps are or can contribute to resistant bacteria. 40% of the overall soap market, items containing triclosan and triclocarban. Manufacturers have one year to comply.
Most hand soaps and body washes banned by the FDA
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This has been in the works for years now. Triclosan was initially used in medical applications such as pre-operative hand washes etc., but was at much higher concentrations.
When they started to incorporate Triclosan into consumer products, the concentration was reduced. Many question if there is really any advantage to including it at all at the lower levels. Add in the possibilities of resistance and waterway pollution and the FDA is likely doing the right thing here.
Proper washing with plain old soap is proven to be just as anti-bacterial as the products with the window dressing!
When they started to incorporate Triclosan into consumer products, the concentration was reduced. Many question if there is really any advantage to including it at all at the lower levels. Add in the possibilities of resistance and waterway pollution and the FDA is likely doing the right thing here.
Proper washing with plain old soap is proven to be just as anti-bacterial as the products with the window dressing!
That's why I stick w/ the plain old fashioned hand soap...
Never put any faith in hand sanitizers, either... (And did the last person "sanitize" the container?)
-- Dave
Never put any faith in hand sanitizers, either... (And did the last person "sanitize" the container?)
-- Dave
vacerator
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No,
the container was not sanitized. You must wash hands with soap after touching it.
Soaps used to have some lye in them. I think it kills enough germs.
Then poultry farmers began using antibiotics. We consume them, and maybe even some of our good gut bacteria is killed off. So to may our immunity to some illness, then when we need an antibiotic for that, it may not work.
Certain herbs like parsley and thyme are good for the immune system.
Our systems need natural pro biotics. Yogurt is also good for you if it has active cultures.
Did we worry about all this stuff when we were kids? No, and we are still here.
No hand sanitizers either then.
Then the DDT got into the cattle feed. Is that what's wrong with me? My mom did make a good Sunday roast.
the container was not sanitized. You must wash hands with soap after touching it.
Soaps used to have some lye in them. I think it kills enough germs.
Then poultry farmers began using antibiotics. We consume them, and maybe even some of our good gut bacteria is killed off. So to may our immunity to some illness, then when we need an antibiotic for that, it may not work.
Certain herbs like parsley and thyme are good for the immune system.
Our systems need natural pro biotics. Yogurt is also good for you if it has active cultures.
Did we worry about all this stuff when we were kids? No, and we are still here.
No hand sanitizers either then.
Then the DDT got into the cattle feed. Is that what's wrong with me? My mom did make a good Sunday roast.
iheartmaytag
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Colgate even puts Triclosan in their toothpaste.
RAID uses Triclosan as well. It's an insecticide.
I know they have been "talking" for years, finally they are doing something.
As for hand sanitizer, I don't have a problem with it. Hand sanitizer is just Jelled alcohol with in come cases maybe some fragrance and aelo. Worst that can happen is we make a colony of alcoholic bacteria.
RAID uses Triclosan as well. It's an insecticide.
I know they have been "talking" for years, finally they are doing something.
As for hand sanitizer, I don't have a problem with it. Hand sanitizer is just Jelled alcohol with in come cases maybe some fragrance and aelo. Worst that can happen is we make a colony of alcoholic bacteria.
Our soaps at work have CHG in them...talk about harsh to skin! But, after a night of taking care of a couple of patients who've been in the unit for several weeks on isolation, I want to shower in something a little stronger than just plain old soap. They can be quite, shall we say, organic. Makes me want to jump into a vat of clorox.
lordkenmore
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>Hand sanitizer is just Jelled alcohol with in come cases maybe some fragrance and aelo. Worst that can happen is we make a colony of alcoholic bacteria.
And if the bacteria are staggering around drunk, they won't be able to make us sick!
And if the bacteria are staggering around drunk, they won't be able to make us sick!
Not really "most" soaps and or cleansers
Just the products containing Triclosan, which never should have been on the market in first place. There are now plenty of plain soaps, cleansers, body washes, etc... including bars of soap that do not contain that ingredient.
Have a stash of vintage Lifebouy soap (read carbolic) that also got into trouble with various governments.
Since it arrived on the scene carbolic/phenol was one of the most frequently used disinfectants around. It was only years later after persons began reporting illnesses and or deaths that science took a closer look at the stuff, and it was ultimately banned in many countries. Think you still can get carbolic soaps in India including a version of Lifebouy, but not in USA or North America.
Phenols were also removed from Lysol liquid (stuff in the brown bottle). If you look carefully most if not all versions no longer registered with the EPA as a disinfectant.
Everyone above a certain age probably recalls hexachlorophene. That chemical was every where for a time as well until it was banned.
Just the products containing Triclosan, which never should have been on the market in first place. There are now plenty of plain soaps, cleansers, body washes, etc... including bars of soap that do not contain that ingredient.
Have a stash of vintage Lifebouy soap (read carbolic) that also got into trouble with various governments.
Since it arrived on the scene carbolic/phenol was one of the most frequently used disinfectants around. It was only years later after persons began reporting illnesses and or deaths that science took a closer look at the stuff, and it was ultimately banned in many countries. Think you still can get carbolic soaps in India including a version of Lifebouy, but not in USA or North America.
Phenols were also removed from Lysol liquid (stuff in the brown bottle). If you look carefully most if not all versions no longer registered with the EPA as a disinfectant.
Everyone above a certain age probably recalls hexachlorophene. That chemical was every where for a time as well until it was banned.
"Colgate even puts Triclosan in their toothpaste. "
That will continue as the recent FDA action does not affect dental products.
Triclosan in tests has proven effective against the germs that cause gingivitis, hence the use by Colgate and others. It also is non-staining something other products that are used for killing oral germs/treating gum disease cause.
That will continue as the recent FDA action does not affect dental products.
Triclosan in tests has proven effective against the germs that cause gingivitis, hence the use by Colgate and others. It also is non-staining something other products that are used for killing oral germs/treating gum disease cause.
aquacycle
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carbolic/phenol was one of the most frequently used
Carbolic soap really takes me back. My Great Grandma used to use it to clean absolutely everything, and until just a few years ago it was used to clean UK school desks with. The smell is something else indeed.
The only problem is that phenol is toxic to cats and dogs, so pet owners be warned!
I think the ban on antibac hand washes is great, now if only we could get some sort of ban or reduction on antibac cleaning sprays, that would be even better! They're completely unnecessary, damaging to the environment and many of the chemicals used in such sprays are a health risk.
We went completely eco on our cleaning products and bathroom products over a year ago, and neither of us have had a cold or been ill since.
We need bacteria, yet people are obsessed with wiping it out? Ridiculous.
Carbolic soap really takes me back. My Great Grandma used to use it to clean absolutely everything, and until just a few years ago it was used to clean UK school desks with. The smell is something else indeed.
The only problem is that phenol is toxic to cats and dogs, so pet owners be warned!
I think the ban on antibac hand washes is great, now if only we could get some sort of ban or reduction on antibac cleaning sprays, that would be even better! They're completely unnecessary, damaging to the environment and many of the chemicals used in such sprays are a health risk.
We went completely eco on our cleaning products and bathroom products over a year ago, and neither of us have had a cold or been ill since.
We need bacteria, yet people are obsessed with wiping it out? Ridiculous.
A bar of Lifebouy is what Ralph's mother washes his mouth out with after he is (falsely) accused of swearing. In hindsight not exactly the smartest thing to do, but then again back then.....
Phenol compounds again were all the rage in the 1930's and 1940's. Lysol from about the 1920's or so until probably the 1950's (would have to look up the exact dates) was advertised and recommended by doctors and nurses as a feminine douche. Lysol was used as not only as a birth control douche but as a "feminine deodorant" rinse as well. As you can imagine many women suffered horrible injuries and possibly death (if not at once later from cancer) by using Lysol that way.
By the early 1950's the makers of Lysol removed cresol and replaced it with a weaker phenol substance, ortho-hydroxydiphenyl.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysol
http://www.motherjones.com/media/2012/02/when-women-used-lysol-birth-control
Carbolic acid is extracted from coal tar, a substance with a questionable resume far as health professionals are concerned. Many hair dyes both past and present contain basically substances derived from coal tar. This has given rise to theories or whatever that coloring one's hair can cause cancer. Indeed some do say that the NON-HODGKIN'S LYMPHOMA that took Mrs. Jackie Kennedy's life was due to her use of hair dyes (totally unfounded).
As for Triclosan the stuff is every where:
Phenol compounds again were all the rage in the 1930's and 1940's. Lysol from about the 1920's or so until probably the 1950's (would have to look up the exact dates) was advertised and recommended by doctors and nurses as a feminine douche. Lysol was used as not only as a birth control douche but as a "feminine deodorant" rinse as well. As you can imagine many women suffered horrible injuries and possibly death (if not at once later from cancer) by using Lysol that way.
By the early 1950's the makers of Lysol removed cresol and replaced it with a weaker phenol substance, ortho-hydroxydiphenyl.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysol
http://www.motherjones.com/media/2012/02/when-women-used-lysol-birth-control
Carbolic acid is extracted from coal tar, a substance with a questionable resume far as health professionals are concerned. Many hair dyes both past and present contain basically substances derived from coal tar. This has given rise to theories or whatever that coloring one's hair can cause cancer. Indeed some do say that the NON-HODGKIN'S LYMPHOMA that took Mrs. Jackie Kennedy's life was due to her use of hair dyes (totally unfounded).
As for Triclosan the stuff is every where:
One bottle in the shower . . .
Suave Daily Clarifying Shampoo (Normal to Oily Hair). A quarter-sized dollop for the hair, a half-dollar squirt for the rest of me. Though labeled "longer lasting fragrance," it smells like nothing after the rinse.
Suave Daily Clarifying Shampoo (Normal to Oily Hair). A quarter-sized dollop for the hair, a half-dollar squirt for the rest of me. Though labeled "longer lasting fragrance," it smells like nothing after the rinse.
washerboy
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non-ultra dawn
I buy the large bottle of non-ultra dawn...I keep the squirt bottles filled with it in the bathroom and kitchen sink for hand washing. Have done this for years. I have never been an advocate for hand santizer or antibacterial soaps...we need some germs in our lives. Probably 15 years ago I saw an interview with a doctor and she discussed the hand sanitizer and antibacterial soaps. I remmeber her saying, nothing beats plain soap and hot water for killing germs.
I buy the large bottle of non-ultra dawn...I keep the squirt bottles filled with it in the bathroom and kitchen sink for hand washing. Have done this for years. I have never been an advocate for hand santizer or antibacterial soaps...we need some germs in our lives. Probably 15 years ago I saw an interview with a doctor and she discussed the hand sanitizer and antibacterial soaps. I remmeber her saying, nothing beats plain soap and hot water for killing germs.
I never have purchased antibacterial hand soaps or cleaners.
As for things containing coal tar, I think it's best to avoid frequent contact with the substance. My mom had psoriasis on her feet for several years, and the Dr. prescribed a cream (Balnetar) that contained coal tar compounds. She applied this to her feet for an extended period of time (2 or 3 yrs.), and 5 or so years later she got pancreatic cancer. We think the coal tar was absorbed into her body causing this cancer.
As for things containing coal tar, I think it's best to avoid frequent contact with the substance. My mom had psoriasis on her feet for several years, and the Dr. prescribed a cream (Balnetar) that contained coal tar compounds. She applied this to her feet for an extended period of time (2 or 3 yrs.), and 5 or so years later she got pancreatic cancer. We think the coal tar was absorbed into her body causing this cancer.
liberatordeluxe
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@ Aquacycle what products do you use in your household? Have you gone eco friendly with laundry detergent too? I use a lot of Method and Astonish products myself.
I have noticed that there seems to be less triclosan products in the UK particularly own brands.
I have noticed that there seems to be less triclosan products in the UK particularly own brands.
I've been hearing about the dangers of these chemical ingredients in anti-bacterial soaps for a number of years now. Funny how even with these warnings, Safeguard still touts its ingredient trilocarban right on the front of the package. While I haven't purchased Safeguard in many years, I have to confess that I always liked the scent for some reason.
